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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#121 » by Manocad » Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:35 pm

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mattao313 wrote:You said a pick around 20 so mark Williams, christian koloko, or even Jalen Duren can slip.

In a trade we could mao get deni or gafford. Thats just off the top of my head

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You don't do that trade then if all you're getting is a late 1st+ maybe a modest upside guy.
With the way the market is shaping up, I think the Pistons could land a higher upside young player plus maybe a pick for Grant. I'm all for trading him but not just for the sake of trading him, it needs to be for real value.
Im fine with a teens pick and a decent young prospect. I don't see Grant having lotto pick value or some established young guy with potential.

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Like the old saying goes, the market will determine Grant's value. So let it. There's no reason to dangle him out there and say "I'm fine with a mid first rounder and a prospect for this guy" or resigning yourself to jumping on that if it's the first offer thrown at you. Unless you feel keeping Grant is a long term negative for the team and don't want to risk keeping him, so to speak.
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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#122 » by mattao313 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:53 pm

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You don't do that trade then if all you're getting is a late 1st+ maybe a modest upside guy.
With the way the market is shaping up, I think the Pistons could land a higher upside young player plus maybe a pick for Grant. I'm all for trading him but not just for the sake of trading him, it needs to be for real value.
Im fine with a teens pick and a decent young prospect. I don't see Grant having lotto pick value or some established young guy with potential.

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Like the old saying goes, the market will determine Grant's value. So let it. There's no reason to dangle him out there and say "I'm fine with a mid first rounder and a prospect for this guy" or resigning yourself to jumping on that if it's the first offer thrown at you. Unless you feel keeping Grant is a long term negative for the team and don't want to risk keeping him, so to speak.
Well of course take the best offer available unless its not worth it. That's common sense.

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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#123 » by Manocad » Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:56 pm

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mattao313 wrote:Im fine with a teens pick and a decent young prospect. I don't see Grant having lotto pick value or some established young guy with potential.

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Like the old saying goes, the market will determine Grant's value. So let it. There's no reason to dangle him out there and say "I'm fine with a mid first rounder and a prospect for this guy" or resigning yourself to jumping on that if it's the first offer thrown at you. Unless you feel keeping Grant is a long term negative for the team and don't want to risk keeping him, so to speak.
Well of course take the best offer available unless its not worth it. That's common sense.

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And if the best offer is less than a mid first round pick and a decent young prospect?
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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#124 » by mattao313 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:00 pm

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Manocad wrote:Like the old saying goes, the market will determine Grant's value. So let it. There's no reason to dangle him out there and say "I'm fine with a mid first rounder and a prospect for this guy" or resigning yourself to jumping on that if it's the first offer thrown at you. Unless you feel keeping Grant is a long term negative for the team and don't want to risk keeping him, so to speak.
Well of course take the best offer available unless its not worth it. That's common sense.

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And if the best offer is less than a mid first round pick and a decent young prospect?
Well don't trade him I don't see the point your trying to make.

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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#125 » by Manocad » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:01 pm

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mattao313 wrote:Well of course take the best offer available unless its not worth it. That's common sense.

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And if the best offer is less than a mid first round pick and a decent young prospect?
Well don't trade him I don't see the point your trying to make.

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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#126 » by mattao313 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:04 pm

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Manocad wrote:And if the best offer is less than a mid first round pick and a decent young prospect?
Well don't trade him I don't see the point your trying to make.

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You just made it.
No I didn't. I never said give him away even if we keep him I don't see him as part of our long term future as a 2/3 option

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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#127 » by zeebneeb » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:06 pm

Read on Twitter


It was clarified quickly stating that the Bulls were looking for "guys like Grant" which is BS as there is no one available even remotely like Grant.

All I'm wondering is not when, but who is going to end up with Grant.
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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#128 » by NYPiston » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:19 pm

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Im fine with a teens pick and a decent young prospect. I don't see Grant having lotto pick value or some established young guy with potential.

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I don't think that's a good enough package to trade Grant for when you have all the leverage.
Either trade him for a haul now (a high upside prospect at minimum, like Pat Williams for instance) or hold on to him for the rest of the season and revisit in the offseason.

I previously would have been ok with mid to late 1st+ decent prospect but the market is now dictating that Grant should return more than that. Weaver needs to take advantage of the dry sellers market and so many buyers trying to load up.
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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#129 » by mattao313 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:25 pm

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Im fine with a teens pick and a decent young prospect. I don't see Grant having lotto pick value or some established young guy with potential.

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I don't think that's a good enough package to trade Grant for when you have all the leverage.
Either trade him for a haul now (a high upside prospect at minimum, like Pat Williams for instance) or hold on to him for the rest of the season and revisit in the offseason.

I previously would have been ok with mid to late 1st+ decent prospect but the market is now dictating that Grant should return more than that. Weaver needs to take advantage of the dry sellers market and so many buyers trying to load up.
Yeah I understand where you're coming from still if we turn down that mid pick and decent young guy now doesn't mean it'll still be on the table in the off season. Teams become more desperate at the deadline and next season deadline his value is lost because of his contract situation.

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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#130 » by mattao313 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:26 pm

zeebneeb wrote:
Read on Twitter


It was clarified quickly stating that the Bulls were looking for "guys like Grant" which is BS as there is no one available even remotely like Grant.

All I'm wondering is not when, but who is going to end up with Grant.
Once Simmons is traded or it's certain the price is to high for him a lot of teams are gonna be interested in Grant.

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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#131 » by Manocad » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:26 pm

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mattao313 wrote:Well don't trade him I don't see the point your trying to make.

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You just made it.
No I didn't. I never said give him away even if we keep him I don't see him as part of our long term future as a 2/3 option

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And I never said that you did. "Well don't trade him" is what you wrote.
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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#132 » by SamFlow » Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:48 pm

Let's think forward. We have Cade and potentially a couple smaller pieces (stewart and bey, not untouchable to any degree) Everything else can be had. Josh won't win a title in Detroit. Hami probably won't either.

Cade is our only real guy. But Stewart and Bey can fill in a bit. More sold on Bey as a starter over Stewart.

This upcoming draft, possibly our last with a good draft pick, should net us a PF. I don't buy Chet as a Center.

If we get our guy, we will have Cade, Jabari Smith. ---

From accounts we will be paying Ayton or more likely Mo Bamba for our future center spot.

If he signs a massive contract, Bamba at center, Smith at PF, Stewart backing them up and both spots. Cade.

Trading Grant for a backup PF/C or a 1, 2, 3. Cade can just fit in any of those spots.They have been testing him out defending multiple positions this year. Still tough call against super speedy pg's.
...

Bulls have white and williams. injury helps draft seeding. grant/killian for williams/coby/jones
celtics have smart and nesmith. plus draft capital.
Kings have halliburton. ok
portland has simmons and nurkic. does simmons play D?
pacers have levert and Turner. injury helps draft seeding.
lakers have tht and monk. blah
Knicks have toppin, quickly, draft capital. maybe
wizards have deni, bryant, rui. I like deni, but draft capital is a must.

who else is there? These are most the teams reported to be interested.

Bulls, Kings have the best options.
Celtics and Pacers and knicks could have something.
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Most offers are not that interesting.

Any teams realistically did I miss? Trying to stay at least reasonably realistic.
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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#133 » by mattao313 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:01 pm

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Manocad wrote:You just made it.
No I didn't. I never said give him away even if we keep him I don't see him as part of our long term future as a 2/3 option

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And I never said that you did. "Well don't trade him" is what you wrote.
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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#134 » by Snakebites » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:36 pm

Lakers offered THT, Nunn, and a ‘27 FRP for Grant.

That’s like a guy trying to buy an XBox with the spare change he found under his couch.
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Post#135 » by bstein14 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:48 pm

Snakebites wrote:Lakers offered THT, Nunn, and a ‘27 FRP for Grant.

That’s like a guy trying to buy an XBox with the spare change he found under his couch.


The 2027 unprotected first is certainly interesting as an asset because it could end up like the Otis Thorpe trade down the road. The Lakers assets are empty they cleared house to get Davis so that pick could be great.

But its too much of an unknown and too far down the road to really pull the trigger on a deal like that. It'd be different if THT was tearing it up this year but his contract is basically a negative asset at this point.
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Post#136 » by kpt » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:52 pm

Right? I want nothing to do with anything from the Lakers that they would give us
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Post#137 » by mattao313 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:57 pm

bstein14 wrote:
Snakebites wrote:Lakers offered THT, Nunn, and a ‘27 FRP for Grant.

That’s like a guy trying to buy an XBox with the spare change he found under his couch.


The 2027 unprotected first is certainly interesting as an asset because it could end up like the Otis Thorpe trade down the road. The Lakers assets are empty they cleared house to get Davis so that pick could be great.

But its too much of an unknown and too far down the road to really pull the trigger on a deal like that. It'd be different if THT was tearing it up this year but his contract is basically a negative asset at this point.
The pick is far out but we could possibly trade it again draft night to like OKC they have like 3 picks this draft

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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#138 » by Snakebites » Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:06 am

bstein14 wrote:
Snakebites wrote:Lakers offered THT, Nunn, and a ‘27 FRP for Grant.

That’s like a guy trying to buy an XBox with the spare change he found under his couch.


The 2027 unprotected first is certainly interesting as an asset because it could end up like the Otis Thorpe trade down the road. The Lakers assets are empty they cleared house to get Davis so that pick could be great.

But its too much of an unknown and too far down the road to really pull the trigger on a deal like that. It'd be different if THT was tearing it up this year but his contract is basically a negative asset at this point.

I've read nothing to suggest it is unprotected.
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Post#139 » by bstein14 » Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:29 am

Snakebites wrote:
bstein14 wrote:
Snakebites wrote:Lakers offered THT, Nunn, and a ‘27 FRP for Grant.

That’s like a guy trying to buy an XBox with the spare change he found under his couch.


The 2027 unprotected first is certainly interesting as an asset because it could end up like the Otis Thorpe trade down the road. The Lakers assets are empty they cleared house to get Davis so that pick could be great.

But its too much of an unknown and too far down the road to really pull the trigger on a deal like that. It'd be different if THT was tearing it up this year but his contract is basically a negative asset at this point.

I've read nothing to suggest it is unprotected.


It can't really be protected because you can't push out future picks more than 7 years. SO you can't be like 2027 top 8 protected, 2028 top 4 protected, 2029 unprotected, etc. Based on what they already owe and how far in the future it is it essentially needs to be an unprotected pick.
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Re: Jerami Grant receiving lot's of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#140 » by Manocad » Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:30 am

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mattao313 wrote:No I didn't. I never said give him away even if we keep him I don't see him as part of our long term future as a 2/3 option

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