James Wiseman 2021/2022

GSWFan1994 · Post #481 » by **GSWFan1994** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:50 pm

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Well noted. I still believe in Okongwu. I rated him as the 3rd best prospect back in his draft, if I'm not mistaken.

I think he will turn out to be a well above average starter. Don't know if it will happen in Atlanta though, as they have Capela and Collins eating up all the minutes there.

Do you think he can play the 4 long term, Evan?

GSWFan1994 · Post #482 » by **GSWFan1994** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:52 pm

DevinVassell wrote:Some bloke was on this board talking Bane up big time pre draft. Don't remember his name but he hit the nail on the head.

On a side note... nice avatar GSW! Del Griffith/John Candy was the best.

I think it was Mylie, no? Speaking of him, he disappeared... hope everything's alright with the old man.

And thanks for the kind words, Devin! I recently went on a John Candy movie watch spree since Christmas... the man was a genius. I don't see any more comic actors like him anymore.

Cheers & hope you are well. Yuri has requested your assistance! :lol:

clyde21 · Post #483 » by **clyde21** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:40 pm

i would trade Wiseman/Poole for Onyeka or Haliburton in a heartback and not look back if either of these trades were available.

unfortunately no one wants anything to do with Wiseman at this point.

EvanZ · Post #484 » by **EvanZ** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 8:42 pm

GSWFan1994 wrote:
Do you think he can play the 4 long term, Evan?

Absolutely not. I think they will probably end up moving Capela, and my guess is sooner rather than later.

HiRez · Post #485 » by **HiRez** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:09 pm

It's looking increasingly unlikely that Wiseman will be able to make any significant contribution this year, if he even plays at all. These repeated rehab setbacks are giving me an uneasy feeling. And unfortunately that means it's going to be very difficult to get decent trade value with him, if that option needs to be explored.

Would be willing to give up Wiseman + Poole + a pick or pick swap for Sabonis (who's also injured) but the salary structure makes it difficult to work out a deal. Other than Wiseman we don't have any other midrange salaries other than Kuminga and Looney, who you probably want to keep, it's all max-contracts and minimums. If you toss Wiggins in there you have too much salary going out and you'd need to take back Warren, LeVert etc. and at that point it gets too complicated and it's not a clear win for Indy.

Post #486 » by **FNQ** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:50 pm

A slow recovery from major surgery isn’t soft.. are you serious?

Post #487 » by **FNQ** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:53 pm

KevinMcreynolds wrote:Calm down, people. The original surgery didn't fix the problem completely and he had to have a follow up. There's nothing he could do.

Well we don’t know. It’s possible the surgery wasn’t complete. It’s possible the rehab was done incorrectly. It’s possible that scar tissue fragmented and it was just dumb luck

But so far we’ve heard it was a botched surgery or that he’s soft, and there’s absolutely no basis to either of those things. All we can go on is results, and then people can tell on themselves about disliking Wiseman or medical personnel all they want

clyde21 · Post #488 » by **clyde21** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:46 pm

FNQ wrote:A slow recovery from major surgery isn’t soft.. are you serious?

he's soft af, you can tell he's soft the minute he steps on an NBA court, biggest red flag last year was when he tripped and spent 4 minutes on the floor acting like he was just shot with a sniper.

don't think this is complicated at all. dude's soft. yall can admit it now or wait until he's back on the court to finally admit it. but you will admit it at some point.

doesn't mean he can't be good, but he has serious soft tendencies like Anthony Davis. except he's not nearly as good or as skilled.

Post #489 » by **FNQ** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:10 pm

clyde21 wrote:
FNQ wrote:A slow recovery from major surgery isn’t soft.. are you serious?

he's soft af, you can tell he's soft the minute he steps on an NBA court, biggest red flag last year was when he tripped and spent 4 minutes on the floor acting like he was just shot with a sniper.

don't think this is complicated at all. dude's soft. yall can admit it now or wait until he's back on the court to finally admit it. but you will admit it at some point.

doesn't mean he can't be good, but he has serious soft tendencies like Anthony Davis. except he's not nearly as good or as skilled.

A slow recovery from a major surgery isn’t any indication of what you are saying. It’s not an argument. If you think he’s soft because of on court play, ok that’s your opinion. I’m saying that using surgery recovery time as a barometer of toughness is one of the worst sports myths out there.

Take Wes Welker or Cam Akers. Lauded for their recovery times coming off major injuries.. while both had extremely clean tears im fortunate locations, so they hit the low side of expectations. But they get cred for being tough, not fortunate. It’s just not a linear thing

clyde21 · Post #490 » by **clyde21** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:36 pm

FNQ wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
FNQ wrote:A slow recovery from major surgery isn’t soft.. are you serious?

he's soft af, you can tell he's soft the minute he steps on an NBA court, biggest red flag last year was when he tripped and spent 4 minutes on the floor acting like he was just shot with a sniper.

don't think this is complicated at all. dude's soft. yall can admit it now or wait until he's back on the court to finally admit it. but you will admit it at some point.

doesn't mean he can't be good, but he has serious soft tendencies like Anthony Davis. except he's not nearly as good or as skilled.

A slow recovery from a major surgery isn’t any indication of what you are saying. It’s not an argument. If you think he’s soft because of on court play, ok that’s your opinion. I’m saying that using surgery recovery time as a barometer of toughness is one of the worst sports myths out there.

Take Wes Welker or Cam Akers. Lauded for their recovery times coming off major injuries.. while both had extremely clean tears im fortunate locations, so they hit the low side of expectations. But they get cred for being tough, not fortunate. It’s just not a linear thing

a slow recovery could very well be indicative of someone being soft or not really rehabing at his capacity, is it here? i dunno, but the dude has serious soft tendencies and this seems like another chapter in the book.

Post #491 » by **FNQ** » Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:44 pm

clyde21 wrote:
FNQ wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
he's soft af, you can tell he's soft the minute he steps on an NBA court, biggest red flag last year was when he tripped and spent 4 minutes on the floor acting like he was just shot with a sniper.

don't think this is complicated at all. dude's soft. yall can admit it now or wait until he's back on the court to finally admit it. but you will admit it at some point.

doesn't mean he can't be good, but he has serious soft tendencies like Anthony Davis. except he's not nearly as good or as skilled.

A slow recovery from a major surgery isn’t any indication of what you are saying. It’s not an argument. If you think he’s soft because of on court play, ok that’s your opinion. I’m saying that using surgery recovery time as a barometer of toughness is one of the worst sports myths out there.

Take Wes Welker or Cam Akers. Lauded for their recovery times coming off major injuries.. while both had extremely clean tears im fortunate locations, so they hit the low side of expectations. But they get cred for being tough, not fortunate. It’s just not a linear thing

a slow recovery could very well be indicative of someone being soft or not really rehabing at his capacity, is it here? i dunno, but the dude has serious soft tendencies and this seems like another chapter in the book.

It could be so many things, but I know from both personal and secondhand experience - encouraging toughness through healing windows is never worth it. The fact that he’s not cleared for contact means he has no say in the matter

Now if he skimped on rehab because it was too tough? Sure that’s downy soft.. but it’s one of countless scenarios, and the usual answer is typically bad luck with scar tissue more than anything

Old_Blue · Post #492 » by **Old_Blue** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:15 am

This thread reads like a pitch for a bad sitcom..."Waiting for Wiseman" is a show about less than nothing. Its cast is a group of Warriors fans pinning their hopes of success on a draft pick who never actually plays. Somewhere around Season 7, the story arc reveals that Wiseman never even existed. The Warriors brass, paralyzed by indecision, had failed to submit their draft selection. Rather than admit their mistake, the team had created the myth of Wiseman...a basketball phenomenon represented by the Hayden Finch Agency (address unknown) who allegedly plays with one high top and one hiking boot, whose passes are said to leave teammates icing their hands in pain and who is said to be torn between his commitment to basketball and his fascination with the Mandarin language and cuisine. :lol:

bay2hk · Post #493 » by **bay2hk** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:30 am

Dude is a bust, but I see many warriors fans are still in denial. Sad

Nvnervous45 · Post #494 » by **Nvnervous45** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:30 pm

Y'all are harsh. Onyeka can have one good game on an average team and he's better than poole and wiseman combined! I'm so glad we have patient gm's because we could be terrible.
Remember when we were offered love for thompson and green or curry for amare Stoudemire? I'm sure some people on here would have jumped on that.....
Wiseman is way better than onyeka or haliburton.

clyde21 · Post #495 » by **clyde21** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:32 pm

Nvnervous45 wrote:Wiseman is way better than onyeka or haliburton.

based on what?

Nvnervous45 · Post #496 » by **Nvnervous45** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:42 pm

Better offensive player than okongwu. More a need on offense and defense than haliburton!

marthafokker · Post #497 » by **marthafokker** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:55 pm

Guess Klay has been soft since he missed 2+ years. And didn't play last night either. Making him a overpaid as well

If Wiseman is described like that with surgery, Klay should be in the same boat! No?

HiRez · Post #498 » by **HiRez** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:20 pm

marthafokker wrote:Guess Klay has been soft since he missed 2+ years. And didn't play last night either. Making him a overpaid as well

If Wiseman is described like that with surgery, Klay should be in the same boat! No?

So if Klay has any kind of soreness he's "soft" now? Draymond just missed 2 (and counting) weeks, is he soft too? Jimmy Butler missed 18 games this year, is he soft? You really think Klay doesn't want to be out there if it were at all possible? Come on man.

whatisacenter · Post #499 » by **whatisacenter** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:27 pm

HiRez wrote:
marthafokker wrote:Guess Klay has been soft since he missed 2+ years. And didn't play last night either. Making him a overpaid as well

If Wiseman is described like that with surgery, Klay should be in the same boat! No?

So if Klay has any kind of soreness he's "soft" now? Draymond just missed 2 (and counting) weeks, is he soft too? Jimmy Butler missed 18 games this year, is he soft? You really think Klay doesn't want to be out there if it were at all possible? Come on man.

I’m pretty sure his post was in response to Clyde calling Wiseman soft for not not being cleared for full contact yet.

HiRez · Post #500 » by **HiRez** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:30 pm

whatisacenter wrote:
HiRez wrote:
marthafokker wrote:Guess Klay has been soft since he missed 2+ years. And didn't play last night either. Making him a overpaid as well

If Wiseman is described like that with surgery, Klay should be in the same boat! No?

So if Klay has any kind of soreness he's "soft" now? Draymond just missed 2 (and counting) weeks, is he soft too? Jimmy Butler missed 18 games this year, is he soft? You really think Klay doesn't want to be out there if it were at all possible? Come on man.

I’m pretty sure his post was in response to Clyde calling Wiseman soft for not not being cleared for full contact yet.

OK sorry mf, if that's what you meant, missed the sarcasm.