2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 5)

[BigGargamel]

I had Ayo Dosunmu in the top ten of some of my mocks when he was a freshman. I really liked his potential. Even throughout 20-21, he never left my first round. Late teens to early 20s. Never should have been a second round pick, but it happens when teams draft bums like Isaiah Johnson and Jaden Springer based solely on high school prospect rankings. Montrezl Harrell and Jalen Brunson are two other guys that come to mind in the same situation. Ahh well....Chicago Bulls gain.

[Kameleon]

Evan Mobley’s night:

18 Points
5 Rebounds
2 Assists
2 Blocks
1 Steal
8/12 FG
1/1 3PT
1/4 FT
+5

What "wall", maybe little fatigue.

[Creativetran]

Mobley, Barnes, Franz are the big dogs. But a shout out to my man Ayo.... 2nd round pick playing like a lottery pick.
Including tonight's game, he is now 33 out of 70 from deep (47.1%).

Talk about a guy coming out of nowhere, I'm gonna have to do some more homework on this kid. Props on finding a gem guys!

[srhcan]

Another brain freeze moment by Scottie in crunch time yesterday. Has other rookies also screwed up in crunch time which has let their team down? Or may be Raptors are putting too much expectations on Scottie.

[MissileMike]

Another brain freeze moment by Scottie in crunch time yesterday. Has other rookies also screwed up in crunch time which has let their team down? Or may be Raptors are putting too much expectations on Scottie.

Of course, especially younger rookies. It's what they do.

[TB]

Most excited about: Kuminga. I’m biased with this one because I was the #1 Kuminga cheerleader on the draft board for the last 2 years. The dude’s potential is crazy. That combination of quickness/explosion/size is something to really watch. Rough patches with off ball defense, but already a pretty dang good on ball defender 1-4. Went from not really being in the rotation to start the year and bouncing back and forth between the G League, to now a legit guy in the rotation and looking good.

dont know whats really excited abt kuminga. guys like scottie barnes do similar stuff and theres a billion prospect like those every single yr being 6'9 with two way potential is no longer a special thing if you cant shoot.
i was super excited beginning of ignite games because he has giannis lite finishing ability but thats about it. if he cant develop midrange, 3pt hes doomed. his ceiling is pascal siakam and the warriors could easily flip him now and win a ring.

All your examples of what doesn't make Kuminga's potential special are very special things lol.

"guys like scottie Barnes do similar stuff" - Scottie Barnes is a special player...

"being 6'9 with two way potential is no longer special if you can't shoot" - that is definitely still special. Sure, if you can shoot you now have Kevin Durant.... so we can cross off KD as a ceiling.

"giannis lite finishing ability but thats about it" - just Giannis glimpses, no biggie.

"ceiling is Pascal Siakam" - yes please? 7th pick becoming Siakam is pretty dang special. Have you seen Siakam's production over the last 5 years? He was also a key factor in beating the Warriors in the finals.

[Jadoogar]

Kuminga's going to need his own poll choice pretty soon. He's going to get a lot of minutes until Draymond comes back and it's looking like that could be a little while. Over the last 5 games he's averaging 16.8 points and 6.6 rebounds in 24.6 minutes. He's also averaging 5 FTA per game and shooting 67% there, which is not great, but an improvement from earlier in the season.

His Per 36 stats aren't that unfavorable compared to other top rookies, for example Evan Mobley:


or Scottie Barnes:

per 36 is nothing..if you cant or dont play the min or games you dont get the stats period

Of course it means something, it's the only way you have to fairly compare 2 players. Now if it's a super small sample size like 5 minutes vs. 30 minutes, sure, it's less useful. But in his last 5 games where Kuminga is getting more playing time (~25 m.), his stats per-36 have actually increased. That's a good sign that his numbers aren't inflated because of too few minutes played. In those 5 games, his per-36 is 24.6 points and 9.7 rebounds per game. Playing more minutes is actually increasing his production faster than the added minutes account for.

Again, I'm not arguing for Kuminga for ROY, or saying he's better than Mobley or Barnes. Just that his trajectory looks really good for when his minutes increase to those levels.

I don't like per 36 stats at all. Like the other guy mentioned, less minutes means less wear and tear, more time against backups. Also check the fouls per 36, you likely won't be playing 36 minutes if you're getting 5 fouls.

[gflem]

Mobley, Barnes, Franz are the big dogs. But a shout out to my man Ayo.... 2nd round pick playing like a lottery pick.
Including tonight's game, he is now 33 out of 70 from deep (47.1%).

Talk about a guy coming out of nowhere, I'm gonna have to do some more homework on this kid. Props on finding a gem guys!

Out of nowhere? Kid was Big Ten player of the year I believe. Surprised he didn't go in the late first round.

[K_chile22]

I feel like Duarte gets slept on in terms of which rookies are playing well right now because he's like 5 years older than some of these dudes but he's been good

[God Squad]

I feel like Duarte gets slept on in terms of which rookies are playing well right now because he's like 5 years older than some of these dudes but he's been good

He's been very solid for the pacers. But having 4-5 years over other rookie development is massive. Can you imagine Jalen, Mobley, Barnes in 5 years?

[basketballRob]

CBS has Mobley #1, Franz #2, Barnes #3, Cade #4, Giddey #5.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-rookie-of-the-year-rankings-why-cavaliers-evan-mobley-has-firm-grasp-on-award-midway-through-season/

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[JonFromVA]

Kuminga's going to need his own poll choice pretty soon. He's going to get a lot of minutes until Draymond comes back and it's looking like that could be a little while. Over the last 5 games he's averaging 16.8 points and 6.6 rebounds in 24.6 minutes. He's also averaging 5 FTA per game and shooting 67% there, which is not great, but an improvement from earlier in the season.

His Per 36 stats aren't that unfavorable compared to other top rookies, for example Evan Mobley:


or Scottie Barnes:

per 36 is nothing..if you cant or dont play the min or games you dont get the stats period

Of course it means something, it's the only way you have to fairly compare 2 players. Now if it's a super small sample size like 5 minutes vs. 30 minutes, sure, it's less useful. But in his last 5 games where Kuminga is getting more playing time (~25 m.), his stats per-36 have actually increased. That's a good sign that his numbers aren't inflated because of too few minutes played. In those 5 games, his per-36 is 24.6 points and 9.7 rebounds per game. Playing more minutes is actually increasing his production faster than the added minutes account for.

Again, I'm not arguing for Kuminga for ROY, or saying he's better than Mobley or Barnes. Just that his trajectory looks really good for when his minutes increase to those levels.

I like per36 a lot when trying to project a rookie who's had limited playing time for any of the usual reason's future production level, but it really doesn't help us that much when comparing current rooks. If Kuminga keeps getting starts he may very well join the race, but ummm what went wrong against Indiana?

[JonFromVA]

Mobley, Barnes, Franz are the big dogs. But a shout out to my man Ayo.... 2nd round pick playing like a lottery pick.
Including tonight's game, he is now 33 out of 70 from deep (47.1%).

Talk about a guy coming out of nowhere, I'm gonna have to do some more homework on this kid. Props on finding a gem guys!

Out of nowhere? Kid was Big Ten player of the year I believe. Surprised he didn't go in the late first round.

Yeah, just turned 22, played 3 years at Illinois (he's slightly older than Coby White who he started in the back-court with the other night).

It would be interesting to find out why so many contending teams passed on him.

[JonFromVA]

Evan Mobley’s night:

18 Points
5 Rebounds
2 Assists
2 Blocks
1 Steal
8/12 FG
1/1 3PT
1/4 FT
+5

What "wall", maybe little fatigue.

The Cavs just wrapped up a real heavy part of the schedule with a lot of road games and very few days off. Bickerstaff finally cut back on his minutes a little bit. I bet it was hard too ... Mobley was +5 in the 13pt loss to the Bulls.

[HiRez]

per 36 is nothing..if you cant or dont play the min or games you dont get the stats period

Of course it means something, it's the only way you have to fairly compare 2 players. Now if it's a super small sample size like 5 minutes vs. 30 minutes, sure, it's less useful. But in his last 5 games where Kuminga is getting more playing time (~25 m.), his stats per-36 have actually increased. That's a good sign that his numbers aren't inflated because of too few minutes played. In those 5 games, his per-36 is 24.6 points and 9.7 rebounds per game. Playing more minutes is actually increasing his production faster than the added minutes account for.

Again, I'm not arguing for Kuminga for ROY, or saying he's better than Mobley or Barnes. Just that his trajectory looks really good for when his minutes increase to those levels.

I like per36 a lot when trying to project a rookie who's had limited playing time for any of the usual reason's future production level, but it really doesn't help us that much when comparing current rooks. If Kuminga keeps getting starts he may very well join the race, but ummm what went wrong against Indiana?

Yeah, a lot went wrong, including Kerr. Kuminga didn't actually take a shot in the game, but in 15 short minutes he had 5 rebounds, 3 assists, and was 5-6 from the freethrow line, and didn't look that bad doing it. Seemingly not bad enough to be benched. For some puzzling reason he didn't return for more minutes (along with GPII who was having a really good game) while guys like Juan Toscano-Anderson and Jordan Poole and even Wiggins stunk it up, and Klay was 0-7 from 3. Old Man Iguodala only took 2 shots, but he played 31 minutes and turned the ball over 4 times. Frankly, they could have used Kuminga's physicality and dynamism because most of the team seemed disinterested in actually playing the game.

Warriors do have a back to back tonight with the Rox where Kuminga will presumably play a lot, but he's barely 19 so rest shouldn't be a big requirement. I don't know man, Kerr can be infuriating sometimes, losing to that decimated Pacers team at home was a total embarrassment and more Kuminga and Payton would have helped.

[LoveMyRaps]

I feel like Duarte gets slept on in terms of which rookies are playing well right now because he's like 5 years older than some of these dudes but he's been good

He's such a baller. Great shooter, great playmaker, high IQ, and a solid defender. It sucks that he's 24 years old already but I'd love to have him on my squad. I wonder if Pacers consider trading him.

[orlando_joe]

I feel like Duarte gets slept on in terms of which rookies are playing well right now because he's like 5 years older than some of these dudes but he's been good

He's such a baller. Great shooter, great playmaker, high IQ, and a solid defender. It sucks that he's 24 years old already but I'd love to have him on my squad. I wonder if Pacers consider trading him.

yurtseven in same boat

[orlando_joe]

I feel like Duarte gets slept on in terms of which rookies are playing well right now because he's like 5 years older than some of these dudes but he's been good

He's such a baller. Great shooter, great playmaker, high IQ, and a solid defender. It sucks that he's 24 years old already but I'd love to have him on my squad. I wonder if Pacers consider trading him.

one positive from older rookies they are locked up thru there prime in small markets...cant be ufa till what he turns 31? you draft 19 yr old they can walk right at start of prime

[QPR]

Giddey finally cracks the 20-point mark

[Jadoogar]

Scottie Barnes heard you guys talking about a rookie wall

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