Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 5.0

[zimpy27]

What? 2 picks 5 and 7 years out and a 40M+ expiring isnt the going rate for a superstar.

If the team with the superstar can't get a better offer on SnT from elsewhere it might be. Think of all the SnTs of superstars.. not great value was had


But yeah unlikely, they still at least try

Doesn't receiving a S&T put you under a hard cap? Are the Lakers going to be under that?

Yes it does and yeah they will be able to stay under hard cap.

[Scoot McGroot]

If the team with the superstar can't get a better offer on SnT from elsewhere it might be. Think of all the SnTs of superstars.. not great value was had


But yeah unlikely, they still at least try

Doesn't receiving a S&T put you under a hard cap? Are the Lakers going to be under that?

Yes it does and yeah they will be able to stay under hard cap.

Depends on what they get back. If Nunn opts out and they keep the cap hold on Reaves, it’d just be Reaves with AD, Lebron, and THT with about $55m to the hard cap. If Nunn opts in, subtract $5m. If they deal for a $40m player, then they have $15m ($10m with Nunn) to fill the other 9-10 roster spots. It gets pretty tight if they go for a star. Tighter if Nunn opts in. VERY tight if they want to be able to use the taxpayer MLE, too (they should).

[zimpy27]

Doesn't receiving a S&T put you under a hard cap? Are the Lakers going to be under that?

Yes it does and yeah they will be able to stay under hard cap.

Depends on what they get back. If Nunn opts out and they keep the cap hold on Reaves, it’d just be Reaves with AD, Lebron, and THT with about $55m to the hard cap. If Nunn opts in, subtract $5m. If they deal for a $40m player, then they have $15m ($10m with Nunn) to fill the other 9-10 roster spots. It gets pretty tight if they go for a star. Tighter if Nunn opts in. VERY tight if they want to be able to use the taxpayer MLE, too (they should).

Yeah they will do it fine. They don't really like paying tax anyway. THT+Nunn can still be traded.

That problem is a pleasure if they happen to get a star player for Westbrook and 2 FRP. They'd settle for good pieces probably.

[Scoot McGroot]

Yes it does and yeah they will be able to stay under hard cap.

Depends on what they get back. If Nunn opts out and they keep the cap hold on Reaves, it’d just be Reaves with AD, Lebron, and THT with about $55m to the hard cap. If Nunn opts in, subtract $5m. If they deal for a $40m player, then they have $15m ($10m with Nunn) to fill the other 9-10 roster spots. It gets pretty tight if they go for a star. Tighter if Nunn opts in. VERY tight if they want to be able to use the taxpayer MLE, too (they should).

Yeah they will do it fine. They don't really like paying tax anyway. THT+Nunn can still be traded.

I mean, the problem is they'd be getting to a spot of filling 10 roster spots with $10m, total. Sure, they can move THT/Nunn, but if they're paying everything they have to get a star, what do they have left to pay to dump THT and Nunn for nothing?

That problem is a pleasure if they happen to get a star player for Westbrook and 2 FRP. They'd settle for good pieces probably.

This is what I was trying to point you towards, and is much more likely. Also, LA would be hoping beyond hope to get a star to opt in and demand a trade to LA rather than try and steer there via S&T.

[zimpy27]

Depends on what they get back. If Nunn opts out and they keep the cap hold on Reaves, it’d just be Reaves with AD, Lebron, and THT with about $55m to the hard cap. If Nunn opts in, subtract $5m. If they deal for a $40m player, then they have $15m ($10m with Nunn) to fill the other 9-10 roster spots. It gets pretty tight if they go for a star. Tighter if Nunn opts in. VERY tight if they want to be able to use the taxpayer MLE, too (they should).

Yeah they will do it fine. They don't really like paying tax anyway. THT+Nunn can still be traded.

I mean, the problem is they'd be getting to a spot of filling 10 roster spots with $10m, total. Sure, they can move THT/Nunn, but if they're paying everything they have to get a star, what do they have left to pay to dump THT and Nunn for nothing?

That problem is a pleasure if they happen to get a star player for Westbrook and 2 FRP. They'd settle for good pieces probably.

This is what I was trying to point you towards, and is much more likely. Also, LA would be hoping beyond hope to get a star to opt in and demand a trade to LA rather than try and steer there via S&T.

Oh if that's what you were trying to say then yeah Lakers can go for smaller pieces. It would make for a better team IMO. But my read is that they will go for a big piece first if they can and work out the rest later. They wouldn't need an FRP to dump THT/Nunn.

[Scoot McGroot]

Yeah they will do it fine. They don't really like paying tax anyway. THT+Nunn can still be traded.

I mean, the problem is they'd be getting to a spot of filling 10 roster spots with $10m, total. Sure, they can move THT/Nunn, but if they're paying everything they have to get a star, what do they have left to pay to dump THT and Nunn for nothing?

That problem is a pleasure if they happen to get a star player for Westbrook and 2 FRP. They'd settle for good pieces probably.

This is what I was trying to point you towards, and is much more likely. Also, LA would be hoping beyond hope to get a star to opt in and demand a trade to LA rather than try and steer there via S&T.

Oh if that's what you were trying to say then yeah Lakers can go for smaller pieces. It would make for a better team IMO. But my read is that they will go for a big piece first if they can and work out the rest later. They wouldn't need an FRP to dump THT/Nunn.

Well, they better not. They won’t have it. But if THT keeps up his disappointing play this year, it'll take a couple 2nds, and they’re running out of those, too. Here’s not a ton of cap space, and I’m not sure there’s a lot of buyers that would take him into a TPE, as the Lakers would want in this scenario. Just takes one, but it would cost more. And yeah, if the plan is, as you originally proposed, a major star, the salary gets tough with the hard cap. An opt in would change that.

[Resistance]

Westbrook is $47,063,478 next season, so the team on the other side of the trade is going to need to send out a significant amount of salary to be able to have everything be CBA legal.


$47,063,478 - $100,000 = $46,963,478
$46,963,478 / 1.25 = $37,570,782


Proof

$37,570,782 * 1.25 = $46,963,478
$46,963,478 + $100,000 = $47,063,478


It is possible that the team taking Westbrook would have a bit of cap space to work with or be able to redirect some salary to a third team rather than send $37.57 million to the Lakers, but it could take some work by all involved to make it happen.

[eminence]

Can anyone envision a deal where Denver sends out Green+Nnaji+2nds and gets back Boucher and Kenrich?

Trying to fix the Nuggets terrible bench.

[HornetJail]

Can anyone envision a deal where Denver sends out Green+Nnaji+2nds and gets back Boucher and Kenrich?

Trying to fix the Nuggets terrible bench.

DEN/TOR: Boucher for Green+2 2nds
DEN/OKC: Williams for Nnaji

neither seems far off

[eminence]

Can anyone envision a deal where Denver sends out Green+Nnaji+2nds and gets back Boucher and Kenrich?

Trying to fix the Nuggets terrible bench.

DEN/TOR: Boucher for Green+2 2nds
DEN/OKC: Williams for Nnaji

neither seems far off

I was concerned Toronto fans might be a fair (relative) amount off on their half.

[Godaddycurse]

Can anyone envision a deal where Denver sends out Green+Nnaji+2nds and gets back Boucher and Kenrich?

Trying to fix the Nuggets terrible bench.

DEN/TOR: Boucher for Green+2 2nds
DEN/OKC: Williams for Nnaji

neither seems far off

I was concerned Toronto fans might be a fair (relative) amount off on their half.

Which Green are we talking about? Jamychal sends us into the tax and he is a big downgrade on court (Boucher picked up his game in past couple months and is a fixture of nurse's rotation). His contract also runs another year which would cost $$ to dump.

What about Green + Nnaji for Favors + Kenrich?

[eminence]

DEN/TOR: Boucher for Green+2 2nds
DEN/OKC: Williams for Nnaji

neither seems far off

I was concerned Toronto fans might be a fair (relative) amount off on their half.

Which Green are we talking about? Jamychal sends us into the tax and he is a big downgrade on court (Boucher picked up his game in past couple months and is a fixture of nurse's rotation). His contract also runs another year which would cost $$ to dump.

What about Green + Nnaji for Favors + Kenrich?

I don't think it'd matter too much either way for Denver (with Jeff they might have to find a way to duck the tax themselves), though I was originally thinking of JaMychal.

I like your version more though, just simpler. Assuming Denver is still under the tax (it's so close I can't tell) or can include something minor in the deal to make sure they stay under.

[Dr Positivity]

At this point I'm thinking Fox is the move for Simmons. I think Sacramento does it. And PHI beggars can't be choosers, at least he is a talent.

[BoogieTime]

Kings without Fox and Haliburton like clockwork putting up 20/10+, as he has every time the kings have played without Fox

He's not being moved for Simmons, and still has the opportunity of topping that class.

[babyjax13]

Can anyone envision a deal where Denver sends out Green+Nnaji+2nds and gets back Boucher and Kenrich?

Trying to fix the Nuggets terrible bench.

I think Denver should keep Nnaji over Boucher, Boucher just is not good.

[Ell Curry]

Can anyone envision a deal where Denver sends out Green+Nnaji+2nds and gets back Boucher and Kenrich?

Trying to fix the Nuggets terrible bench.

I think Denver should keep Nnaji over Boucher, Boucher just is not good.

What’s the evidence that he isn’t? 13-8 in 25 minutes for 20 games now the last 2 months, and he’s not playing any better than he did last year or when he had good stretches the year before. There are systems/lineups he would probably struggle in but there are teams he’d be really good for as a 3rd big backing up both spots and some he’d be an upgrade for at the 4, certainly for the teams with no “real 4” like Chicago or Utah (again, not sure for both because I could see him struggling Jn the wrong system, but probably one of them).

I could see the Raps wanting Nnaji to play a stretch 5 role, and why Denver wouldn’t trade him if they think he’ll be a nice long term fit next to Jokic behind Gordon and either as the backup 5 in a smaller unit or with Gordon guarding a big ball handler like Luka, Kawhi or Lebron but there still being 2 bigs on the floor to check.

[Godaddycurse]

Can anyone envision a deal where Denver sends out Green+Nnaji+2nds and gets back Boucher and Kenrich?

Trying to fix the Nuggets terrible bench.

I think Denver should keep Nnaji over Boucher, Boucher just is not good.

Bouchers season has been Jekyll and Hyde. His last 2 months have been fairly productive (TS% close to 60). If he can keep this up he will definitely help a team off the bench. Agree still not worth nnaji but more useful than jamychal green.

[babyjax13]

Can anyone envision a deal where Denver sends out Green+Nnaji+2nds and gets back Boucher and Kenrich?

Trying to fix the Nuggets terrible bench.

I think Denver should keep Nnaji over Boucher, Boucher just is not good.

Bouchers season has been Jekyll and Hyde. His last 2 months have been fairly productive (TS% close to 60). If he can keep this up he will definitely help a team off the bench. Agree still not worth nnaji but more useful than jamychal green.

Isn't it Jeff Green in the deal? JaMychal Green would be, by far, the best player. Appreciate the honest assessment of Boucher. I think he has low BBIQ, much in the same way as Whiteside, but in the right role can find a use.

[Godaddycurse]

I think Denver should keep Nnaji over Boucher, Boucher just is not good.

Bouchers season has been Jekyll and Hyde. His last 2 months have been fairly productive (TS% close to 60). If he can keep this up he will definitely help a team off the bench. Agree still not worth nnaji but more useful than jamychal green.

Isn't it Jeff Green in the deal? JaMychal Green would be, by far, the best player. Appreciate the honest assessment of Boucher. I think he has low BBIQ, much in the same way as Whiteside, but in the right role can find a use.

Jamychal has been playing just as poorly as Boucher on offense w/o the shotblocking on D this year. he also has an extra guaranteed year i dont like

[gambitx777]

What on earth could poses the Lakers to try and trade Westbrook for wall lol .

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