Grayson Allen flagrant 2 on Alex Caruso (Caruso breaks wrist)

[dockingsched]

That follow through where he just grabs Caruso and pulls him down should get him suspended for several games with his history.

[Warriors Analyst]

The non reaction from the rest of the Bulls players was very disappointing

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Exactly if I am Caruso that's what i would be most pissed off by.

Every single one of the Bulls' players on the court should have been in his face.

This happens in the 90s and his teeth would have gotten knocked in

What's even more embarrassing are the Bucks fans who are defending this guy...PATHETIC.

Guy was giggling and smirking after the play, he knew what he was doing, and was happy with the outcome.

I could see him going after a guy like Pat Bev who chirps and can talk smack and get in your head, but doing this against Alex Caruso makes it even worse.

If Silver had any balls he would suspend him for 2 games, Stewart got two games for rushing LeBron, and LeBron got one game for a swipe at Stewart's face.

Caruso was in the air and he forcefully hit in a downward motion - that type of play could have ended his season and if it was a big enough break possibly his career.

If this happened against Giannis all these punk Bucks fans would be getting their pitchforks out.

Bucks fans, glad you got your championship, now you can go back to being the laughing stock of the East like you were for the past 50 years.

When players take matters into their own hands in today's NBA, they get suspended and lose money. The NBA has made it a fool's proposition to get into fights post-Malice in the Palace. That's probably a sensible long term move. But the flip side is that the NBA needs to do a better job of controlling situations like this one if they don't want players to seek their own form of justice.

[lakerz12]

I wouldn’t normally think anything of this, because the initial contact looks like he’s going for the ball.

But because of his apparent reputation and the extra swipe with the right hand, I guess he deserves a flagrant?

But Part of this is that Caruso happened to land badly. That can happen on even the cleanest foul. It shouldn’t dictate the call.

[VFX]

People acting like that wasn’t just a tough foul at the rim on the play.

Sure, the follow through was suspect but he didn’t trip him or punch him.

People are just mad because it’s on Caruso and Allen has a reputation.

[axeman23]

Playoff foul

In football!

[Rendei]

Not sure, but how many guys have been thrown out of a summer league game? The guy is dirty and I say this as someone that doesn't mind hard fouls, but not when you potentially end someone's season/career. He clearly has a problem, the way he cries like a baby and has a tantrum when things don't go his way and no one has put him in his place, so he continues doing it

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Neither of those fouls were a flagrant 2 or threatened anyone's season lol. Also, you literally had to go back to summer league 2019 to find something.

This was a bad foul tonight and he was right to get tossed. But what nonsense is this "continues doing it" when it's his first one.

Listen, we both know it's not his first dirty foul since joining the NBA, but I have better things to do than try and research all the plays he's done that were dirty

We also both know 100% that if Allen played for the Raptors and that was Giannis that he'd fouled in the exact same manner, you'd be on here complaining about him. So if you want to defend him because he plays for the team you support that's fine, but stop pretending like you wouldn't be agreeing if the shoe was on the other foot

I said that it was a bad foul and he deserved to be tossed, but hey, you do you.

And for the record, I really can't remember too many dirty fouls from him in an NBA jersey. Part of it was me not watching the Grizzlies, part of it was that he wasn't doing much that people complained about. If I do a search on youtube, I get the summer league thing, college things, and the thing from tonight.

[sfballa13]

The non reaction from the rest of the Bulls players was very disappointing

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Exactly if I am Caruso that's what i would be most pissed off by.

Every single one of the Bulls' players on the court should have been in his face.

This happens in the 90s and his teeth would have gotten knocked in

What's even more embarrassing are the Bucks fans who are defending this guy...PATHETIC.

Guy was giggling and smirking after the play, he knew what he was doing, and was happy with the outcome.

I could see him going after a guy like Pat Bev who chirps and can talk smack and get in your head, but doing this against Alex Caruso makes it even worse.

If Silver had any balls he would suspend him for 2 games, Stewart got two games for rushing LeBron, and LeBron got one game for a swipe at Stewart's face.

Caruso was in the air and he forcefully hit in a downward motion - that type of play could have ended his season and if it was a big enough break possibly his career.

If this happened against Giannis all these punk Bucks fans would be getting their pitchforks out.

Bucks fans, glad you got your championship, now you can go back to being the laughing stock of the East like you were for the past 50 years.

When players take matters into their own hands in today's NBA, they get suspended and lose money. The NBA has made it a fool's proposition to get into fights post-Malice in the Palace. That's probably a sensible long term move. But the flip side is that the NBA needs to do a better job of controlling situations like this one if they don't want players to seek their own form of justice.

A legitimate fight hasnt broken out in the NBA in quite a while.

It's all about the "hold me back" moments.

But for no other Bulls' player to at least get in that piece of feces face (which at worst would result in a tech) is disappointing.

I would be pissed as hell if I was Caruso or even a Bulls' fan that none of my players would come and have Caruso's back.

[celticfan42487]

Eh idk, maybe flagrant 1. Unfortunate fall but I don't think that's a 2 by any stretch.

If the offensive player can get an AND1 playing through the foul the defender should be able to continue to defend too. That's only fair, or stop giving AND1s and stop the play with the foul.

[lakerz12]

People acting like that wasn’t just a tough foul at the rim on the play.

Sure, the follow through was suspect but he didn’t trip him or punch him.

People are mad because it’s on Caruso and Allen has a reputation .

Yup. Plus Caruso landed badly but that shouldn’t factor into the call.

I would like to hear the justification for how this is a flagrant based on the rules. Hitting a guy on the hand/wrist as he’s attempting a dunk?

[theforumblue]

People acting like that wasn’t just a tough foul at the rim on the play.

Sure, the follow through was suspect but he didn’t trip him or punch him.

People are just mad because it’s on Caruso and Allen has a reputation.

he definitely didnt trip an airborne dude and he didnt follow it up with a drop elbow but he did hit him with earth

[nitric0]

People acting like that wasn’t just a tough foul at the rim on the play.

Sure, the follow through was suspect but he didn’t trip him or punch him.

People are mad because it’s on Caruso and Allen has a reputation .

Yup. Plus Caruso landed badly but that shouldn’t factor into the call.

I would like to hear the justification for how this is a flagrant based on the rules. Hitting a guy on the hand/wrist as he’s attempting a dunk?

Probably has something to do with him trying to swing Caruso in mid-air and potentially causing a major injury.

[xinxin]

I watched the game earlier & I thought Caruso was done for.

The thud was cringeworthy. Was expecting a flagrant 1 though not a 2


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[CIN-C-STAR]

Flagrant 1 imo

[FreeThrowLine]

Neither of those fouls were a flagrant 2 or threatened anyone's season lol. Also, you literally had to go back to summer league 2019 to find something.

This was a bad foul tonight and he was right to get tossed. But what nonsense is this "continues doing it" when it's his first one.

Listen, we both know it's not his first dirty foul since joining the NBA, but I have better things to do than try and research all the plays he's done that were dirty

We also both know 100% that if Allen played for the Raptors and that was Giannis that he'd fouled in the exact same manner, you'd be on here complaining about him. So if you want to defend him because he plays for the team you support that's fine, but stop pretending like you wouldn't be agreeing if the shoe was on the other foot

I said that it was a bad foul and he deserved to be tossed, but hey, you do you.

And for the record, I really can't remember too many dirty fouls from him in an NBA jersey. Part of it was me not watching the Grizzlies, part of it was that he wasn't doing much that people complained about. If I do a search on youtube, I get the summer league thing, college things, and the thing from tonight.

I really don't want to spend too much time searching but here's a couple more, its this kind of nonsense why people hate him and the college "highlights" are much worse, with him sticking/kicking his leg out countless times to trip people over, that kind of stuff sticks with you

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He had another incident with Young where he elbows him in the ribs as he's driving, but I'm not going to look that up, I'm sure it's also on YT

Even his old teammates aren't safe, you can argue this was accidental, it's a possibility but a part of me believes even this was intentional and he just acts like he didn't mean it, I mean how often do you see things like this happen? I can't give him the benefit of the doubt, he hasn't earned it

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[rilamann]

People acting like that wasn’t just a tough foul at the rim on the play.

Sure, the follow through was suspect but he didn’t trip him or punch him.

People are just mad because it’s on Caruso and Allen has a reputation.

Yeah, the fall made it look worse than it really was. If everything was exactly the same but Carsuo falls with a bit more grace, no one is talking about this being flagrant.

This has been one of my peeves for the past 20 years on the NBA. Fouls being called flagrant because of how a guy lands.

[Jagic Mohnson]

Grayson is a dirty player but that isnt a dirty play. If you ever played basketball, that type of play goes so fast and he was trying to prevent a layup in a close game. A dirty play is Bynum elbowing that Mavs player in the ribs.

[MAQ]

People acting like that wasn’t just a tough foul at the rim on the play.

Sure, the follow through was suspect but he didn’t trip him or punch him.

People are just mad because it’s on Caruso and Allen has a reputation.

Yeah, the fall made it look worse than it really was. If everything was exactly the same but Carsuo falls with a bit more grace, no one is talking about this being flagrant.

This has been one of my peeves for the past 20 years on the NBA. Fouls being called flagrant because of how a guy lands.

Can you let me know how Caruso is supposed to fall with grace when someone's yanked both of his arms downward as he's jumping in the air? The chance to fall gracefully doesnt exist much in that situation.

[og15]

The momentum of a player can always make the resulting fall look worse. Looked like Allen went for the ball, didn't see anything wrong with that part, if you can't get up high enough and don't end up getting the ball, doesn't mean you are trying to injury the guy.

The second arm grabbing is the issue, now I don't see a reason to assume that was to hurt him, but that seemed like a "make sure he doesn't get the ball up" act, but you do that and you have the potential of hurting someone, so flagrant deserved for that.

[Rendei]

Listen, we both know it's not his first dirty foul since joining the NBA, but I have better things to do than try and research all the plays he's done that were dirty

We also both know 100% that if Allen played for the Raptors and that was Giannis that he'd fouled in the exact same manner, you'd be on here complaining about him. So if you want to defend him because he plays for the team you support that's fine, but stop pretending like you wouldn't be agreeing if the shoe was on the other foot

I said that it was a bad foul and he deserved to be tossed, but hey, you do you.

And for the record, I really can't remember too many dirty fouls from him in an NBA jersey. Part of it was me not watching the Grizzlies, part of it was that he wasn't doing much that people complained about. If I do a search on youtube, I get the summer league thing, college things, and the thing from tonight.

I really don't want to spend too much time searching but here's a couple more, its this kind of nonsense why people hate him and the college "highlights" are much worse, with him sticking/kicking his leg out countless times to trip people over, that kind of stuff sticks with you

Watch on YouTube

He had another incident with Young where he elbows him in the ribs as he's driving, but I'm not going to look that up, I'm sure it's also on YT

Even his old teammates aren't safe, you can argue this was accidental, it's a possibility but a part of me believes even this was intentional and he just acts like he didn't mean it, I mean how often do you see things like this happen? I can't give him the benefit of the doubt, he hasn't earned it

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Those videos don't even qualify as a flagrant 1.

I get it, he did some stuff in college. Let it go.

[heatwillbeback]

Grayson Allen will never get the benefit of the doubt because he hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt. This is what he does, and it was intentional.

Suspension is warranted.