Is Facu Campazzo the worst player in the NBA?

moderndarwin · Post #21 » by **moderndarwin** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:21 pm

I’ll be a contrarian and say he’s actually excellent. He’s a terrific on ball defender, an elite passer, and plays his role well. I’d love him on the Dubs.

Post #22 » by **cupcakesnake** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:22 pm

Using on/off numbers to explain why Campazzo is bad isn't really helpful because out of Nuggets rotation players, Facu has played the least number of minutes next to Jokic. He's played only 346 of his 2364 minutes with Jokic. 2018 minutes without Jokic on the biggest 1 man show in the league. Basically, any bench-level player is going to look horrible in on/off operating as a playmaker when Jokic is off the floor. All you're really pointing out is how much worse Facu is than Jokic, which I'm pretty sure we all already know.

On/off numbers are relative to who you aren't playing with. For bench players, it often says more about the quality of the starters. Facu is in a pretty extreme situation and the on/off numbers are not helpful in terms of understanding his value of impact.

Peregrine01 · Post #23 » by **Peregrine01** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:25 pm

His +/- looks awful because he's being tasked to be the playmaker on the team when Jokic goes off. And given that the Nuggets are absolutely terrible without Jokic, his net on/off numbers look catastrophically bad.

Peregrine01 · Post #24 » by **Peregrine01** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:26 pm

jamaalstar21 wrote:Using on/off numbers to explain why Campazzo is bad isn't really helpful because out of Nuggets rotation players, Facu has played the least number of minutes next to Jokic. He's played only 346 of his 2364 minutes with Jokic. 2018 minutes without Jokic on the biggest 1 man show in the league. Basically, any bench-level player is going to look horrible in on/off operating as a playmaker when Jokic is off the floor. All you're really pointing out is how much worse Facu is than Jokic, which I'm pretty sure we all already know.

On/off numbers are relative to who you aren't playing with. For bench players, it often says more about the quality of the starters. Facu is in a pretty extreme situation and the on/off numbers are not helpful in terms of understanding his value of impact.

This, pretty much.

HiRez · Post #25 » by **HiRez** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:48 pm

EPM has him ranked #302 in the league, which is not good, but far from the worst (bottom 38th percentile). Most of that bad is from his offense, he's close to neutral on defense. Here are the players playing the same or more minutes as Campazzo, with the same or lower EPM:

Jalen Green (HOU) -5.4
Isaiah Thomas (DAL) -5.0
Juwan Morgan (TOR) -4.6
Wes Iwundu (ATL) -4.6
Darius Bazley (OKC) -4.6
Terrence Ross (ORL) -4.6
Coby White (CHI) -3.7
Cam Reddish (NY) -3.6
Talen Horton-Tucker (LAL) -3.3
De'Andre Hunter (ATL) -3.1
Kessler Edwards (BKN) -3.0
Doug McDermott (SA) -2.8
Nickeil Alexander-Walker (NO) -2.7
Ayo Dosunmu (CHI) -2.7
Frank Jackson (DET) -2.7
Patrick Williams (CHI) -2.7
Aaron Wiggins (OKC) -2.6
Michael Porter Jr. (DEN) -2.6
Cameron Oliver (ATL) -2.5
Kyle Anderson (MEM) -2.4
Derrick Walton Jr. (DET) -2.3
Facundo Campazzo (DEN) -2.3

John Murdoch · Post #26 » by **John Murdoch** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:51 pm

Bazemore

Richard Miller · Post #27 » by **Richard Miller** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:53 pm

He's not the worst by any means, however he's put in a position that absolutely sucks for him, so the fit i just terrible. On a fast-paced team surrounded with shooters he'd look way different.

HiRez · Post #28 » by **HiRez** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:54 pm

John Murdoch wrote:Bazemore

Bazemore is bad, but he's only playing 17 minutes with a very low 12% usage rate. For that matter Campazzo also has a low usage of 15%.

UcanUwill · Post #29 » by **UcanUwill** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:11 pm

He is one of the better passers in the world and is super pesk on D, so no. Got to be honest, this thread hurt my Euroleague fan feelings, there are so many worse players than Campazzo its not even funny. He is same as Rubio, where basic statsheat doesnt show his whole value.

He plays a ton of out of fit. He is on ball creator but not a shooter, where in Denver he runs a lot of off ball and just has to take spot up 3s, which is not his game. Make him run NBA second unit on a team that doesnt have all time great playmaker like Jokic, and he would do better, Like, get him on the Warriors.

magicsanta · Post #30 » by **magicsanta** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:20 pm

NO
NOOOOOO
seriously NO
bad fit in the nuggets

Blazingstorm · Post #31 » by **Blazingstorm** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:21 pm

Never heard of him but judging by those numbers yes.

hauntedcomputer · Post #32 » by **hauntedcomputer** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:55 pm

First time I ever saw him, he scored like 10 points in two minutes and was dashing around like Nash on juice. Next time I saw him he played with the same energy and went like 0-6 in two minutes futilely trying to take over the game. He's not as bad as he looks but not as good as he thinks he is.

Sgt Major · Post #33 » by **Sgt Major** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:55 pm

Read on Twitter

BelgradeNugget · Post #34 » by **BelgradeNugget** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:59 pm

UcanUwill wrote:He is one of the better passers in the world and is super pesk on D, so no. Got to be honest, this thread hurt my Euroleague fan feelings, there are so many worse players than Campazzo its not even funny. He is same as Rubio, where basic statsheat doesnt show his whole value.

He plays a ton of out of fit. He is on ball creator but not a shooter, where in Denver he runs a lot of off ball and just has to take spot up 3s, which is not his game. Make him run NBA second unit on a team that doesnt have all time great playmaker like Jokic, and he would do better, Like, get him on the Warriors.

Unfortunately he went from starter for Nuggets in POs last year, when they beat good Portland team, to unplayable this year. And the reason is this: "Facu takes 63% of his total attempts from 3. According to NBA.com 90% of those are open or wide open. He makes 31% of those shots." He is also afraid of the blocks so he is not even trying to shoot at the rim. So teams are simply ignoring him offensively, going under the screen, giving him space to shoot. Last night against Memphis, they were tripling Jokic on the post and simply ignoring Facu and he couldn't do nothing. He must learn how to shoot open 3s and flouters or he could be out of the league soon.

levon · Post #35 » by **levon** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:00 pm

he's like 5 9 what'd yall expect

Lalouie · Post #36 » by **Lalouie** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:03 pm

eathb_au wrote:Facu Campazzo's by minutes definition is the Nuggets 6th man this season and to be honest there is no justfication for this.

gest that Facu is the LVP. Yin and Yang right now.

that's a lot of time spent on gathering data on the worst player in the nba. i do not know about that but he has the worst name in the nba.

it sounds like an onomatopoetic made up name for a bad italian joke

UcanUwill · Post #37 » by **UcanUwill** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:15 pm

BelgradeNugget wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:He is one of the better passers in the world and is super pesk on D, so no. Got to be honest, this thread hurt my Euroleague fan feelings, there are so many worse players than Campazzo its not even funny. He is same as Rubio, where basic statsheat doesnt show his whole value.

He plays a ton of out of fit. He is on ball creator but not a shooter, where in Denver he runs a lot of off ball and just has to take spot up 3s, which is not his game. Make him run NBA second unit on a team that doesnt have all time great playmaker like Jokic, and he would do better, Like, get him on the Warriors.

Unfortunately he went from starter for Nuggets in POs last year, when they beat good Portland team, to unplayable this year. And the reason is this: "Facu takes 63% of his total attempts from 3. According to NBA.com 90% of those are open or wide open. He makes 31% of those shots." He is also afraid of the blocks so he is not even trying to shoot at the rim. So teams are simply ignoring him offensively, going under the screen, giving him space to shoot. Last night against Memphis, they were tripling Jokic on the post and simply ignoring Facu and he couldn't do nothing. He must learn how to shoot open 3s and flouters or he could be out of the league soon.

He never was a scorer in Europe and FIBA, but I am honestly shocked how bad he is at that at NBA level. Very disappointing, cause I was a huge believer, I pushed get this guy in the NBA narrative. Still a huge fan, just show how good NBA really is, this man was superstar in world cup leading his country to the finals in a tournament where USA finished in 7th. place. He is one of the most fun players to watch when things go his way, many great highlights over the years.

DTP · Post #38 » by **DTP** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:14 pm

bstein14 wrote:Killian Hayes is the worst player in the league that averages 20+ minutes per game.

That's it....square up!

shangrila · Post #39 » by **shangrila** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:14 pm

KembaWalker wrote:Probably Poku if he's still in the league. That guy sucks

No love for the future 10xMVP?

nomansland · Post #40 » by **nomansland** » Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:16 pm

Lot of bad takes in here. He was brought in to be the 3rd PG behind Murray and Morris. We know the story with Murray but Morris was also hurt this season.

As a limited minutes player off the bench most people would be asking "damn how did the Nuggets get this guy?" But since he's been forced into too many minutes, he becomes vulnerable to unwarranted criticism.