Did we really draft a point guard with a #5 pick that cant dribble? (or shoot)

[Skybox]

If you wanted rational dialog, then why did you start a 'come at me bro' thread?

I honestly don't even understand the last couple of pages. It's not even clear to me what people are upset about.

Who is upset? It's just a dumb thread title for something that didn't even need it's own thread.

If I start a thread titled "is Vucevic the biggest vagina in the NBA?", I'm not going to get pissy when people come after me.

I abhor drama for drama's sake. That's what this thread is.

I completely agreed with you and enjoyed your re-titling of the thread...and, I honestly couldn't make out what "side" and points were being made by some of the more passionate posters.

[Viper1500]

It’s not necessarily that people take issue with the criticism. Most can agree Suggs needs more time. Nobody claimed he was going to step in and not have to adjust his game to an nba level.

Making proclamations that he can’t or won’t be able to do something this early into his career is the issue.

If the thread was called “Suggs can improve in these areas”, we would probably all agree.

I would not have classified Suggs' game as raw coming into the league. Many scouts and mock drafts considered him to be NBA ready, in terms of rookie expectations. I do indeed think his play this year is concerning, especially when you compare him to the other rookies from this draft class.

[basketballRob]

It’s not necessarily that people take issue with the criticism. Most can agree Suggs needs more time. Nobody claimed he was going to step in and not have to adjust his game to an nba level.

Making proclamations that he can’t or won’t be able to do something this early into his career is the issue.

If the thread was called “Suggs can improve in these areas”, we would probably all agree.

I would not have classified Suggs' game as raw coming into the league. Many scouts and mock drafts considered him to be NBA ready, in terms of rookie expectations. I do indeed think his play this year is concerning, especially when you compare him to the other rookies from this draft class.

Like Cade that shot 35% from the field his first 16 games or Green who went 0-11 yesterday? A lot of rookie guards struggle early

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[zaymon]

It’s not necessarily that people take issue with the criticism. Most can agree Suggs needs more time. Nobody claimed he was going to step in and not have to adjust his game to an nba level.

Making proclamations that he can’t or won’t be able to do something this early into his career is the issue.

If the thread was called “Suggs can improve in these areas”, we would probably all agree.

I would not have classified Suggs' game as raw coming into the league. Many scouts and mock drafts considered him to be NBA ready, in terms of rookie expectations. I do indeed think his play this year is concerning, especially when you compare him to the other rookies from this draft class.

Like Cade that shot 35% from the field his first 16 games or Green who went 0-11 yesterday?

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If Suggs had limited role and good teammates like Barnes he would be praised for his supernatural defense.
Just watched Barnes 27 pts. That was the most awkward 27 points i saw for a long time. They run that weird post ups/midrange isos (?) just to make him look good, becouse he cant do anything else. He is also guarding many positions, but all of them below average.
If we played Suggs only to his strengths (he could do the same weird stuff Barnes is doing but against guards), he would look similar to Scottie on offense but with elite defense.

[VFX]

It’s not necessarily that people take issue with the criticism. Most can agree Suggs needs more time. Nobody claimed he was going to step in and not have to adjust his game to an nba level.

Making proclamations that he can’t or won’t be able to do something this early into his career is the issue.

If the thread was called “Suggs can improve in these areas”, we would probably all agree.

I would not have classified Suggs' game as raw coming into the league. Many scouts and mock drafts considered him to be NBA ready, in terms of rookie expectations. I do indeed think his play this year is concerning, especially when you compare him to the other rookies from this draft class.

He’s played 26 games in total.

21 prior and 5 post injury.

He’s been progressing since his return and looks like he getting more comfortable.

I don’t really think that’s “concerning”. I’d be more concerned if he was regressing.

[MagicFan101]

We clearly don’t have a Mario situation on our hands.

We have 2 quality NBA players in Suggs and Franz with bright futures ahead of them. That is good.

I do however lack faith that we found a franchise super star in this draft. Hence the rebuild continues.

[pepe1991]

It’s not necessarily that people take issue with the criticism. Most can agree Suggs needs more time. Nobody claimed he was going to step in and not have to adjust his game to an nba level.

Making proclamations that he can’t or won’t be able to do something this early into his career is the issue.

If the thread was called “Suggs can improve in these areas”, we would probably all agree.

I would not have classified Suggs' game as raw coming into the league. Many scouts and mock drafts considered him to be NBA ready, in terms of rookie expectations. I do indeed think his play this year is concerning, especially when you compare him to the other rookies from this draft class.

Like Cade that shot 35% from the field his first 16 games or Green who went 0-11 yesterday? A lot of rookie guards struggle early

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Cade was overdrafted because most scouts projected "advanced" Cade allaround game that he really never showed has.
Cade will be fine nba player. Cade will never be superstar.
There are few reasons why Cade & Suggs have godawful efficiency opposite of guys like Barnes or Mobley.
For start it's simply talent of team around them. Second is coaching. Third is how they are used.

I saw parts of Wizards- Raptors game. Barnes scored 27 points on 2 jumpshots. 18 points out of 27 points from inside 5 feet. Why? Vleet opens the floor, puts him in pick&roll, he rolls at rim and finishes around rim with either layup or dunk. Defense overcommits to either of them, Siakam cuts for dunk. Simple basketball. Cade and Suggs for start, don't know how to set proper pick&roll, and probably most important thing, don't have anybody to set proper screen, so it's just messy pick&roll with poor angles as both end up attacking teath of defense and throwing hot potato in the air.

This looks like Suggs possessions doesn't it? Horrendus spacing and center who is onedimensional,therfore defense will either ignore him on perimeter ( Stewart) or ignore his potential rolling (Bamba) and in general sloppy screens that don't pin anybody.

But with Chade main issue is lack of burst. He had possession vs Warriors where he was in situation to isolate on Klay Thompson who played like 3 games in 3 years, and he simply couldn't get rid of him, and one time Klay met him at rim and he simply didn't even try to finish layup, just threw random pass in legs of his center ( TO).

Meh. Almost every year scouts overreact about " all around game" of player who is 6'8 and is okey passer. Ignore everything else. Because it worked for Luka and Lebron, therfore every guy who can pass ball over 6'7 is next Luka, allegedly.

[Bensational]

Jalen Green was someone a lot of people wanted. How’s everyone feeling about him now? Still very early into a career for a very young and raw player. I’m just curious if people still see a higher ceiling for him compared to Suggs now that they’re both amongst the pros and warts are coming out?

[MagicFan101]

Jalen Green was someone a lot of people wanted. How’s everyone feeling about him now? Still very early into a career for a very young and raw player. I’m just curious if people still see a higher ceiling for him compared to Suggs now that they’re both amongst the pros and warts are coming out?

I was definitely one of the ones cheering hard for Green.

He was known to be raw and a kid with a wide range of potential. By that I mean a very high ceiling and a very low floor.

I like that he is shooting 83% from the line and has been able to put a few big games in to go with the really bad duds. That’s pretty much what I would expect from a kid with that raw label. When it’s free to shoot at the line he is good and he’s very hot / cold in live action.

He needs stability, some good vet mentors and good coaches around him. I hope Houston takes care of him because he could be a lot of fun to watch some day.

[Skin]

Jalen Green was someone a lot of people wanted. How’s everyone feeling about him now? Still very early into a career for a very young and raw player. I’m just curious if people still see a higher ceiling for him compared to Suggs now that they’re both amongst the pros and warts are coming out?

Ummm if his team is down on him, WeHam needs to dial those suckers up.

[pepe1991]

DIdn't everybody kind a knew Jalen Green will be chucker, and just hoped that chucker part will fall more on the side of Booker & Mitchell than JR Smith?
Ofc he is negative contributor on the floor today. Whoever's bright idea was to pair him and Kevin Porter to "develop" them on same team, either knows NBA will enteduce new rule and play games with 2 balls at once, or knows nothing about structure of basketball. Since Morey left, i'm leaning more toward second option.

[axl_c_cool]

Maybe we should just not post at all? How dare we have dialog about our own players. I mean, why even use a forum to talk about anything? Better yet, lets make a thread on watching Scottie Barnes progress, or talk about how crypto is crashing. Is that ok with you?

Anyways I am done with this thread and have said my peice. All were getting is the old, it's too soon to mention his name guys in here and half game told you so post.

If you wanted rational dialog, then why did you start a 'come at me bro' thread?

I honestly don't even understand the last couple of pages. It's not even clear to me what people are upset about.

This x 100

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[89Magicfan]

Lol y’all are funny.

Suggs will be who Suggs works hard to be. Right now he’s a starter who contributes some very positive things with some things (that are insanely easy to improve upon) to work on. That’s what drafting is about.

Relax and enjoy the development.

[Rainwater]

Some of you die hards that come in here and call people names, or use the same old rhetoric, time after time when someone points out a concern, are really tiring. "You are a chicken little". "What an overreactor, it's his rookie season, how dare you", "wait till next year, i cant wait to come back here and yap over people having healthy dialog"

No offense, but stop the **** riding. It's a FORUM. Talking about a weakness in a players skill set, especially when very high in loaded draft class, is ok. Your life wont end. He isn't on here reading it and saying "damn time to give up, ive been found out".

To be frank, I am most likely a bigger fan, probably watched more games over the last 15 years, and have spent more money on the team then 95% of the average fan. I am not some hater, I am calling it like I see it. I want him to SUCCEED and i think he has a great chance, but at this point, the guy is a 50/50 turn over to assist player, no matter how many flashes he shows (and yes he has gone on long strings of good ball control), his handle is rough /ball control is rough right now. (pretty much everything is but his defense, but this is a super concerning one, as it would put him out of the running for the role he he was drafted for, a lead point guard)

Seriously, step off your throne, and if you have nothing to say besides "how can you not be a robot", maybe this is the wrong place to outlet.

There are many types of posters on sports forums including player haters, pessimists, realist, player lovers, die hards. The tread, regardless of title, was never going to work with die hards and those favor certain players.

[fateis007]

(thread creator) If Suggs plays with this type of defense every night, i dont care if he can dribble. lol

[PrimeThyme]

You can't teach what Suggs brings to a basketball team. For any of the people wondering why he has such fervent defenders on this board, I urge you to watch the game he just played against Chicago.

The intensity, swagger, and winning skillset is what I'm looking for. Everybody else can keep losing their minds over his shooting percentages and "lack of handle" (which is still a pretty funny assertion to me), but I'm loving everything I've seen.

This is a player I'm prepared to build around.

[MagicStarwipe]

You can't teach what Suggs brings to a basketball team. For any of the people wondering why he has such fervent defenders on this board, I urge you to watch the game he just played against Chicago.

The intensity, swagger, and winning skillset is what I'm looking for. Everybody else can keep losing their minds over his shooting percentages and "lack of handle" (which is still a pretty funny assertion to me), but I'm loving everything I've seen.

This is a player I'm prepared to build around.

The thing is, I don't even think he has "fervent defenders". Saying "he does good things and some bad things that he needs to improve on... and I am willing to give him time to improve on those things before I write him off" which I think all but a small handful are saying, isn't being a fervent defender. That some people take that as fervent defence or some type of homerism says more about them.

I wouldn't go as far as you and say I'm prepared to build around him though. I'm not sure he'll be the build around type. I need to see a lot more yet.