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Post#181 » by Duke4life831 » Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:18 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:weird that this thread has dropped all the way to third page. was beginning to wonder if there was even a thread on him - which of course would have been much more bizarre.

anyway, banchero's talent is off the charts. people want to compare any tall, skinny kid who can shoot to KD. and while Banchero's body isn't KD's body, his game, more than any other i've seen in a while is more KDesque. he doesn't take or make as many threes as KD did at the same stage - iow, KD was a more advanced perimeter shooter - but paolo's stroke is pure and he will get there. he has a pull up game, catch and shoot - dude has it all in terms of potential as a shooter. but where a lot of guys who get compared to KD fall short - like Jabari Smith - is that while KD took his threes, he wasn't soft. he didn't settle for jumpers. he attacked the rim, used his size to dominate inside, he rebounded, he put it on the floor, he could create for teammates. he had a well rounded offensive game. that's where the similarities start with paolo.

FSU had an excellent defensive game plan for Banchero last night - it worked and they won. dude still finished with 20 points on 11 shots with 12 boards and 7 assists. my question for banchero is whether he wants to and is willing to dominate. he has the skillset - the game comes easy for him. but will he demand the ball, will be aggressive enough to drop 25-30 every night like the truly great ones do. imo, you have to take him #1 due to his size, athleticism and overall skillset and just hope it clicks and he chooses to the be a superstar rather than just a star.


To be fair, I think this thread has dropped because I think I do more than enough to keep the Duke prospect talk alive in the main draft thread haha.

I don’t really see any KD with Paolo. A few negatives with Paolo that have stood out to me watching him so far. His handle isn’t good at all. He loses his handle or gets it picked way too often. Also his shot form is very inconsistent. It’s not just the lack of a follow through (which gets repeated every Duke game got some reason), but the form itself changes a good amount. Sometimes the shooting elbow flairs out, sometimes it’s more of a push shot than a clean shot.

Don’t get me wrong, not saying he doesn’t have potential with his jumper, he clearly does. But he has a good amount to tighten up with it.

Also his passing has been pretty bad most of the year. No doubt he’s shown some flashes with it (like last night). But he’s basically been a 1:1 assist to turnover guy all year and some really frustratingly bad passes throughout the year.

And after a solid start defensively playing the 5 for a few games, it started to look pretty rough and we’re seeing less and less of it the past few games.

With all that said, I do like Paolo and he’s actually started climbing back up my board after I dropped him down a few weeks back.

I still think a smarter and more team friendly Randle is probably his best comparison.
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Re: Paolo Banchero 

Post#183 » by SeattleJazzFan » Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:43 pm

Not sure i agree with the video above. Blake was a power player through and through coming out of Oklahoma. A rebounding, inside attacking, scoring beast. Banchero is a solid rebounder and is really good in the post but he doesn't attack and dominate on the inside like Blake did at Oklahoma and eventually as a pro.

Also, Banchero is a 34% 3pt shooter on 3 attempts per game. That's not great, but it's respectable for a 6'10" player and is stroke is solid - probably just needs to be refined and he needs to become a tad more consistent with it. Griffin shot 10 threes his entire two season at Oklahoma.

IOW, Banchero is much more developed and ready to entire the league as a shooter than Griffin was, while at the same time Griffin was a much more powerful, explosive and and aggressive inside presence than Banchero is or will be.

Griffin had generational explosiveness and athleticism. Bancher is just a really good 6'10" athlete who can get on top of the rim.

Just entirely different players with different skillsets at the same stage of their careers
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Post#184 » by MotownMadness » Sun Jan 23, 2022 8:06 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:Not sure i agree with the video above. Blake was a power player through and through coming out of Oklahoma. A rebounding, inside attacking, scoring beast. Banchero is a solid rebounder and is really good in the post but he doesn't attack and dominate on the inside like Blake did at Oklahoma and eventually as a pro.

Also, Banchero is a 34% 3pt shooter on 3 attempts per game. That's not great, but it's respectable for a 6'10" player and is stroke is solid - probably just needs to be refined and he needs to become a tad more consistent with it. Griffin shot 10 threes his entire two season at Oklahoma.

IOW, Banchero is much more developed and ready to entire the league as a shooter than Griffin was, while at the same time Griffin was a much more powerful, explosive and and aggressive inside presence than Banchero is or will be.

Griffin had generational explosiveness and athleticism. Bancher is just a really good 6'10" athlete who can get on top of the rim.

Just entirely different players with different skillsets at the same stage of their careers

Hes more comparable to Pistons Blake in playing style
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Re: Paolo Banchero 

Post#185 » by Ell Curry » Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:26 am

Yeah, I watched Blake play my team in the NCAA tournament. It was terrifying. Maybe the most explosive guy since Howard or Shaq.

Blake Pistons is an excellent comp for Paolo. He did make all-NBA 3rd team, which feels like Banchero's ceiling.
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Post#186 » by Roddy B for 3 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:06 am

I comp Banchero to Randle
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Post#187 » by EMG518 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:15 am

He is more skilled than the comps he is getting. The shot is so much better than Blakes or Randles coming out, even now. He has a really good handle and passing ability already at his age and at his size. He is also longer than both of those guys and should be a better defender than them.

I don't like the comps.
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Post#188 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:44 am

EMG518 wrote:He is more skilled than the comps he is getting. The shot is so much better than Blakes or Randles coming out, even now. He has a really good handle and passing ability already at his age and at his size. He is also longer than both of those guys and should be a better defender than them.

I don't like the comps.

Got any proof of this? Im a massive Duke fan and a big fan of Paolo, I was very pumped about his perimeter skills prior to the season. Ive been very let down about those skills so far this year. I mean his handle has been bad. Ya he's able to grab a rebound and walk the ball up. But Ive yet to see Paolo grab a rebound and take it coast to coast or be the man running the break. Pretty much any time he tries to do anything dynamic with his handle, he gets it taken away or he just flat out loses the handle and turns it over.

His passing is also very very inconsistent. One second he can throw a nice lob pass, the next moment he chunks a super easy pass. There is a reason he has practically a 1:1 assist to turnover ratio.

Also his shot hasnt been good, especially against legit competition. He is shooting 32% from 3 and 69% from the line in ACC play. Then you can add in the 4-15 from 3 in the UK/Gonzaga/Ohio State games. The form on his jumper has been super inconsistent, this gets mentioned practically every game now as well.

Like dont get me wrong, I like Paolo and have him ranked 2nd right now in this draft. But most of it is projecting potential, because a lot of the things people keep saying he has already, he doesnt. Again I think there is potential with his jumper and his handle, but the consistent production with those things arent there yet. He's also not longer than Blake and its really hard to tell how good of a defender he is because he is protected by an elite big man defender and a gluttony of versatile wing defenders.
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Post#189 » by NYPiston » Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:00 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:Got any proof of this? Im a massive Duke fan and a big fan of Paolo, I was very pumped about his perimeter skills prior to the season. Ive been very let down about those skills so far this year. I mean his handle has been bad. Ya he's able to grab a rebound and walk the ball up. But Ive yet to see Paolo grab a rebound and take it coast to coast or be the man running the break. Pretty much any time he tries to do anything dynamic with his handle, he gets it taken away or he just flat out loses the handle and turns it over.

His passing is also very very inconsistent. One second he can throw a nice lob pass, the next moment he chunks a super easy pass. There is a reason he has practically a 1:1 assist to turnover ratio.

Also his shot hasnt been good, especially against legit competition. He is shooting 32% from 3 and 69% from the line in ACC play. Then you can add in the 4-15 from 3 in the UK/Gonzaga/Ohio State games. The form on his jumper has been super inconsistent, this gets mentioned practically every game now as well.

Like dont get me wrong, I like Paolo and have him ranked 2nd right now in this draft. But most of it is projecting potential, because a lot of the things people keep saying he has already, he doesnt. Again I think there is potential with his jumper and his handle, but the consistent production with those things arent there yet. He's also not longer than Blake and its really hard to tell how good of a defender he is because he is protected by an elite big man defender and a gluttony of versatile wing defenders.


Hmm, I don't know. I think you're being a bit too critical of his game. I don't know how you can have him #2 when you dislike just about every aspect of his game haha.
Anyway, he's been efficient from inside the arc especially as of late, his playmaking is coming along although yes a bit inconsistent and I don't see a lot of problems with his handle. He does have the propensity to turn it over at times but that's going to happen with players that have the ball a lot. I think his offensive game is as polished as I've seen from a prospect in a long while, he scores in so many ways and does it with relative ease. The inconsistency is from long range but that can be fixed, it's not like his shooting stroke is broken.

My biggest issue with him is what does he project to be defensively at the next level. He seems to float at that end and doesn't move his feet well. He shows some ability in one of one situations but in general, he either doesn't put in the effort often enough or is confused as to what to do.
I think he can be sheltered defensively in the right situation (like with a player like Mark Williams alongside him) or hopefully learn how to defend better under the right coaching but it's looking like something that could be a liability at the next level. Offensively though? He's a stud and he's doing it pretty efficiently.
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Post#190 » by GSWFan1994 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:46 pm

I'm not a Banchero fan or expert, but by the little I saw of him, I think a Julius Randle comparison would be apt.

I could be very wrong, but for the moment I don't see any flashes of superstar potential, just a very good, All-Star, "top 20 player in the league in his peak" kind of player.

He's not explosive, doesn't have a great wingspan, and as said above, his ballhandling is no good either.

What are his outlier skills? What trait, if developed further along in the coming years, could make him a superstar in the future? I don't know.
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Post#191 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:02 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:Got any proof of this? Im a massive Duke fan and a big fan of Paolo, I was very pumped about his perimeter skills prior to the season. Ive been very let down about those skills so far this year. I mean his handle has been bad. Ya he's able to grab a rebound and walk the ball up. But Ive yet to see Paolo grab a rebound and take it coast to coast or be the man running the break. Pretty much any time he tries to do anything dynamic with his handle, he gets it taken away or he just flat out loses the handle and turns it over.

His passing is also very very inconsistent. One second he can throw a nice lob pass, the next moment he chunks a super easy pass. There is a reason he has practically a 1:1 assist to turnover ratio.

Also his shot hasnt been good, especially against legit competition. He is shooting 32% from 3 and 69% from the line in ACC play. Then you can add in the 4-15 from 3 in the UK/Gonzaga/Ohio State games. The form on his jumper has been super inconsistent, this gets mentioned practically every game now as well.

Like dont get me wrong, I like Paolo and have him ranked 2nd right now in this draft. But most of it is projecting potential, because a lot of the things people keep saying he has already, he doesnt. Again I think there is potential with his jumper and his handle, but the consistent production with those things arent there yet. He's also not longer than Blake and its really hard to tell how good of a defender he is because he is protected by an elite big man defender and a gluttony of versatile wing defenders.


Hmm, I don't know. I think you're being a bit too critical of his game. I don't know how you can have him #2 when you dislike just about every aspect of his game haha.
Anyway, he's been efficient from inside the arc especially as of late, his playmaking is coming along although yes a bit inconsistent and I don't see a lot of problems with his handle. He does have the propensity to turn it over at times but that's going to happen with players that have the ball a lot. I think his offensive game is as polished as I've seen from a prospect in a long while, he scores in so many ways and does it with relative ease. The inconsistency is from long range but that can be fixed, it's not like his shooting stroke is broken.

My biggest issue with him is what does he project to be defensively at the next level. He seems to float at that end and doesn't move his feet well. He shows some ability in one of one situations but in general, he either doesn't put in the effort often enough or is confused as to what to do.
I think he can be sheltered defensively in the right situation (like with a player like Mark Williams alongside him) or hopefully learn how to defend better under the right coaching but it's looking like something that could be a liability at the next level. Offensively though? He's a stud and he's doing it pretty efficiently.


But Im not critical about every aspect of his game. Im just being critical about the few things that were mentioned. When you watch a full Duke game, I dont see how anyone can come away thinking, "Man Paolo has a really good handle and has good 3pt shot." Neither one of those things stand out at all. Again far more often when you watch, you'll come away thinking "Paolo needs to stop trying fancy dribbles because he isnt good at them."

I think Paolo is fantastic 15ft and in. Whether its his mid range jumper out of facing up, or using a pump fake and attacking, he has great touch down low and can finish in multiple ways. I think he plays within a team very well. This is why I constantly say I think he is a smarter and team friendlier version of Julius Randle. I think he picks his shots very well, I think as the season has progressed he is making decision much quicker and less just pounding the rock going nowhere. He's inconsistent with rebounding but I really like the potential with his rebounding. And again he isnt a good 3pt shooter right now, but I like the potential there. Same to go with his passing as well, I like the potential there.
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Post#192 » by clyde21 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:53 pm

i think his offensive ceiling really is gonna depend on how much of that playmaking juice you can unlock, he's a + passer for his position/size but that's a different story than being a legitimate point forward. if he develops into that guy then yea, offensively he's gonna be a stud.

bigger question marks tho is where he fits defensively, can't really get a read on that at this point and I think that'll be his weak point in the league.

defensively Chet and Jabari seem to have clearer roles. Chet's the best help defender/shot blocker and Jabari is the best of the bunch defending in space and switching. Paolo isn't a terrible defender but he doesn't really have much of a role defensively right now.

and it's usually an uphill battle for bigs to be impact players if they don't have roles defensively UNLESS they have some outlier skills like passing (Jokic) or shooting (Towns).

this is why my comp for him has always been Julius Randle, even tho he's on a faster developmental curve clearly
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Post#193 » by NYPiston » Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:56 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:But Im not critical about every aspect of his game. Im just being critical about the few things that were mentioned. When you watch a full Duke game, I dont see how anyone can come away thinking, "Man Paolo has a really good handle and has good 3pt shot." Neither one of those things stand out at all. Again far more often when you watch, you'll come away thinking "Paolo needs to stop trying fancy dribbles because he isnt good at them."

I think Paolo is fantastic 15ft and in. Whether its his mid range jumper out of facing up, or using a pump fake and attacking, he has great touch down low and can finish in multiple ways. I think he plays within a team very well. This is why I constantly say I think he is a smarter and team friendlier version of Julius Randle. I think he picks his shots very well, I think as the season has progressed he is making decision much quicker and less just pounding the rock going nowhere. He's inconsistent with rebounding but I really like the potential with his rebounding. And again he isnt a good 3pt shooter right now, but I like the potential there. Same to go with his passing as well, I like the potential there.


That's fair.

The thing about Banchero that gives me pause in terms of taking him with a top 3 pick is that he appears closer to his ceiling than most of the other top prospects. I think Smith, Holmgren and Ivey all have more room for growth and, therefore, higher potential whereas Banchero seems more polished at this point with less growth potential. The prototypical high floor, moderately high ceiling prospect.
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Post#194 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:28 pm

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Duke4life831 wrote:But Im not critical about every aspect of his game. Im just being critical about the few things that were mentioned. When you watch a full Duke game, I dont see how anyone can come away thinking, "Man Paolo has a really good handle and has good 3pt shot." Neither one of those things stand out at all. Again far more often when you watch, you'll come away thinking "Paolo needs to stop trying fancy dribbles because he isnt good at them."

I think Paolo is fantastic 15ft and in. Whether its his mid range jumper out of facing up, or using a pump fake and attacking, he has great touch down low and can finish in multiple ways. I think he plays within a team very well. This is why I constantly say I think he is a smarter and team friendlier version of Julius Randle. I think he picks his shots very well, I think as the season has progressed he is making decision much quicker and less just pounding the rock going nowhere. He's inconsistent with rebounding but I really like the potential with his rebounding. And again he isnt a good 3pt shooter right now, but I like the potential there. Same to go with his passing as well, I like the potential there.


That's fair.

The thing about Banchero that gives me pause in terms of taking him with a top 3 pick is that he appears closer to his ceiling than most of the other top prospects. I think Smith, Holmgren and Ivey all have more room for growth and, therefore, higher potential whereas Banchero seems more polished at this point with less growth potential. The prototypical high floor, moderately high ceiling prospect.

Ill piggy back off of what Clyde said. I think Paolo becomes an offensive stud if he puts it all together. If he can get to being a reliable 37% 3pt shooter on good volume, he goes from being just a solid passer (for a big) to being an actual playmaker, that to go with his good scoring touch and moves. He will be able to do whatever he wants on the offensive end. Defensively I think he's more Blake than Randle. I think Randle is a bad defender and Blake was just a neutral kind of defender. I think Paolo can be a neutral defender.

Now do I think he maximizes all the offensive stuff? Probably not, most guys dont. But again I can see him being a Randle kind of player, just think he will be able to do that in a more team friendly and higher basketball IQ way.

I will say this, once Sharpe officially declares for this draft. I will have my #1 and #2 picks locked in (Jabari then Sharpe). Then a battle for who is 3rd.
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Post#195 » by clyde21 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:08 pm

Sharpe should probably be #2 almost by default, Paolo and Chet really still haven't staked their claim to it yet
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Post#196 » by BostonCouchGM » Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:09 pm

Banchero is a 6'9", more advanced, Jayson Tatum. His handle is very good for a 3/4 on the next level. He'll be able to get his shot at will. You'll see him driving more with open lanes in the NBA and getting to the line 8-10 times a game. I think he's a 20-22 ppg immediately. He's basically a better Tatum and I'm a huge Tatum fan. He's a truly elite prospect. He's got great vision and is a very good passer so I'm not at all worried about his play-making. You have some guys putting Smith ahead of him but Smith is too dependent on others for shots and is a very limited athlete which will prevent him from scoring on all three levels and being an above average defender. No such limitations for Banchero which is why he's #1 on my board and that isn't going to change.
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Post#197 » by Duke4life831 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:30 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:Banchero is a 6'9", more advanced, Jayson Tatum. His handle is very good for a 3/4 on the next level. He'll be able to get his shot at will. You'll see him driving more with open lanes in the NBA and getting to the line 8-10 times a game. I think he's a 20-22 ppg immediately. He's basically a better Tatum and I'm a huge Tatum fan. He's a truly elite prospect. He's got great vision and is a very good passer so I'm not at all worried about his play-making. You have some guys putting Smith ahead of him but Smith is too dependent on others for shots and is a very limited athlete which will prevent him from scoring on all three levels and being an above average defender. No such limitations for Banchero which is why he's #1 on my board and that isn't going to change.

A more advanced Tatum? Based on what? And again people keep saying this “he has a very good handle” thing. What is this based on?

The comparison with Tatum just makes no sense to me. Tatum was a really good defender at Duke, Paolo not even close there. Tatum’s shot creation and ability to create space in the half court was on a different level than Paolo is right now. Tatum was also the better athlete.

Again I’m high on Paolo, but people keep saying weird things to prop him up which just makes no sense.
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Post#198 » by SeattleJazzFan » Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:04 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:Again I’m high on Paolo, but people keep saying weird things to prop him up which just makes no sense.


they (we) haven't seen him enough. and i'm looking in the mirror here - i see him as a guy with great potential as a shooter/scorer, a plus passer, a guy who will score at all three levels and be efficient. I'd probably take him #1 right now with a gun to my head, assuming sharpe doesn't come out. but i've only seen him play about 5 times (thanks, dish!)- i'm not seeing the warts you're seeing nightly.
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Post#199 » by clyde21 » Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:23 pm

Banchero is not a 3/4, he's a 4/5, really just a 4 because defensively he can't really protect the rim, which is again his issue right now, he's kinda positionally locked at the 4
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Post#200 » by akhan786 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:27 am

Banchero doesn’t have the footwork of even high school Jayson Tatum all though you can tell he’s been working on developing that part of the game and could get to a 60% facsimile of that level of footwork/bag. Since I don’t think he’ll reach that 100% level ever, he has to make up for it by being very aggressive at the rim and more of a playmaker. Because the dude IS strong and smart. Kind of like the difference between Lebron and Kobe.

Just talking about aesthetically, I think he’ll likely be a 6’10 RJ Barrett.That could still be a very good player.

But he could surprise us all tho and instead be 6’10 Carmelo.

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