Can we try Three Guard Lineup?

MasterGMer · Post #1 » by **MasterGMer** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:16 am

I think a fast paced, fast break type of offense fits this team really well. We have Cole, Suggs, RJ who can run the show.

That kinda reminds me of Phoenix Suns' Run and Gun, 14 Secs offense.

Show time 2.0

Do you think Magic could run 3 Guard lineup when Fultz returns to maximize shooting? Franz has been struggling with shooting lately. Maybe we can start both Cole and Suggs plus Harris at 3. That helps our shooting.

Actually Mosley started a 3 guard lineup games ago, with Cole, Suggs and Harris. That was before my tweet about the suggestion.

Just my own speculation here

MasterGMer · Post #2 » by **MasterGMer** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:21 am

It could also distribute playing time when MCW and Fultz return.

shadrock · Post #3 » by **shadrock** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:32 am

Cole Anthony is not a starter, thats all i know.

pepe1991 · Post #4 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:42 am

Teams play 3 guards because it opens angles to attack off pick&roll and get shooters open. Most of our guards can't shoot.
Last year Hornets Lamelo Ball, Graham and Terry had nice sucess playing together.
In previous years SGA, Paul & Schroder were net positive as 3 guards duo.
Years ago, Lowry, Lue WIlliams & Vasquez made it work.

It is very,very hard for nba defense to contain 3 capable drivers with multiple angles open, epsecially if there is somebody at C who is good at setting screens and understands how to set offball screens.
Downside of 3 guard lineup is defense. That type of lineup us esencially unplayable against star quality wings ( Kawhi, George, Lebron, Durant, Giannis...) and you will ask from your center to help more than center should help.

Me, personally, don't prefer too big nor too small lineups, they are both too gimmicky and predictable in what they want to do. In regular season you can catch some unprepared team and run him over, but if you are in playoffs, there is very little chance of suprising anybody with anything. OKC's "small 3" broke their teeth on Houston, who answered with their own "small 3" with Westbrook, Harden & Eric Gordon. But probably pivotal role was RoCo & Jeff Green averaging like 30 points on 60% TS. Again, size of wing player, being too big of opsticle

VFX · Post #5 » by **VFX** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:01 am

Short answer. No.

cedric76 · Post #6 » by **cedric76** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 8:44 am

shadrock wrote:Cole Anthony is not a starter, thats all i know.

I fully agree, but he ll be a perfect 6 the man

Fultz, suggs, Franz, JI, WCJ

Bench

Cole, RJ, Chuma, Moritz

Ross needs to be traded
Harris is expiring
I hope we resign Lopez for another year

I m torn with Bamba, I cant see him resigning here if we only offer him back up minutes

drsd · Post #7 » by **drsd** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:37 am

cedric76 wrote:
shadrock wrote:Cole Anthony is not a starter, thats all i know.

I fully agree, but he ll be a perfect 6 the man

Fultz, suggs, Franz, JI, WCJ

Bench

Cole, RJ, Chuma, Moritz

Ross needs to be traded
Harris is expiring
I hope we resign Lopez for another year

I m torn with Bamba, I cant see him resigning here if we only offer him back up minutes

For me as management, I would make several changes. The kept roster would be:

Suggs/Anthony/xxx
xxx/xxx/Hampton
F-Wagner/xxx
Carter/xxx
xxx/M-Wagner/xxx

This means that Ross, Harris, Okeke, Isaac, and Fultz would be converted to a new starting SG and new starting C. Hampton is fine as a 3rd-string project, but clearly the Magic also needs wing depth in the above. Bringing back Lopez to goof off again has no value for me. His rebounding is too poor. But there is always Frank Kaminsky to be found for such a role.

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cedric76 · Post #8 » by **cedric76** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:40 am

drsd wrote:
cedric76 wrote:
shadrock wrote:Cole Anthony is not a starter, thats all i know.

I fully agree, but he ll be a perfect 6 the man

Fultz, suggs, Franz, JI, WCJ

Bench

Cole, RJ, Chuma, Moritz

Ross needs to be traded
Harris is expiring
I hope we resign Lopez for another year

I m torn with Bamba, I cant see him resigning here if we only offer him back up minutes

For me as management, I would make several changes. The kept roster would be:

Suggs/Anthony/xxx
xxx/xxx/Hampton
F-Wagner/xxx
Carter/xxx
xxx/M-Wagner/xxx

This means that Ross, Harris, Okeke, Isaac, and Fultz would be converted to a new starting SG and new starting C. Hampton is fine as a 3rd-string project, but clearly the Magic also needs wing depth in the above. Bringing back Lopez to goof off again has no value for me. His rebounding is too poor. But there is always Frank Kaminsky to be found for such a role.

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I cant give up on JI now, if Healthy, he could be a HUGE part of making us a contender

As for Fultz, I still have hope he can be the player that he was destined to be

drsd · Post #9 » by **drsd** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:46 am

cedric76 wrote:I cant give up on JI now, if Healthy, he could be a HUGE part of making us a contender

As for Fultz, I still have hope he can be the player that he was destined to be

Of course I hope both (or even "either") is true.

But the Magic has as potential PG starters: Anthony, Fultz, and Suggs. And the Magic has as potential PF starters: Carter, F-Wagner, and Isaac.

For me the Magic can either go with two of the above guards and balance out the forwards, or vice versa. Thus: either Fultz or Isaac has got to go. And if Carter is seen as a starting PF, then probably both if the Magic want a conventional alpha-SG.

To be blunt, Orlando has only two for-sure 2022/23 Magicians in Suggs and F-Wagner. The rest of the team could be shipped off in an appropriate trade, if need be.

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cedric76 · Post #10 » by **cedric76** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:38 am

drsd wrote:
cedric76 wrote:I cant give up on JI now, if Healthy, he could be a HUGE part of making us a contender

As for Fultz, I still have hope he can be the player that he was destined to be

Of course I hope both (or even "either") is true.

But the Magic has as potential PG starters: Anthony, Fultz, and Suggs. And the Magic has as potential PF starters: Carter, F-Wagner, and Isaac.

For me the Magic can either go with two of the above guards and balance out the forwards, or vice versa. Thus: either Fultz or Isaac has got to go. And if Carter is seen as a starting PF, then probably both if the Magic want a conventional alpha-SG.

To be blunt, Orlando has only two for-sure 2022/23 Magicians in Suggs and F-Wagner. The rest of the team could be shipped off in an appropriate trade, if need be.

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I m happy with our frontcourt
Starter: Franz/JI/WCJ
Bench: Chuma/Moritz

My problem is with the backcourt
Suggs is a good player but he is not a sure thing to me
Cole is 6th man type of player, 100% sure not a starter
Fultz is a maybe, I really hope he can be our Starting PG
RJ is VERY VERY RAW

So I d rather go after an Alpha SG (either via Draft or trade)

zaymon · Post #11 » by **zaymon** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 10:49 am

You want to go with that strategy to play your best players not your worst. It doesnt make sense for us.
Lets bench Franz Wagner and Chuma Okeke to see more Cole Anthony and RJ Hampton.....
I would rather play with 1 guard lineup, with Chuma and Suggs guarding perimeter.

Skybox · Post #12 » by **Skybox** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:41 pm

zaymon wrote:You want to go with that strategy to play your best players not your worst. It doesnt make sense for us.
Lets bench Franz Wagner and Chuma Okeke to see more Cole Anthony and RJ Hampton.....
I would rather play with 1 guard lineup, with Chuma and Suggs guarding perimeter.

I've got to agree...I'd really target another Franz-type, a big wing at 2/3, preferably who can shoot...call him whatever position you want.

I don't like the whole idea of having a big PG like Fultz/Suggs defend the SG because Cole is too small. It could work, but it's just diluting the advantage.

zaymon · Post #13 » by **zaymon** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:06 pm

Skybox wrote:
zaymon wrote:You want to go with that strategy to play your best players not your worst. It doesnt make sense for us.
Lets bench Franz Wagner and Chuma Okeke to see more Cole Anthony and RJ Hampton.....
I would rather play with 1 guard lineup, with Chuma and Suggs guarding perimeter.

I've got to agree...I'd really target another Franz-type, a big wing at 2/3, preferably who can shoot...call him whatever position you want.

I don't like the whole idea of having a big PG like Fultz/Suggs defend the SG because Cole is too small. It could work, but it's just diluting the advantage.

Exactly. We just got one of those huge wings in Wagner and now we want to force small lineups ? I would understand if we had some crazy good ball handlers but we are playing better with Wagner and Carter on ball so whats the point ?

Horcy · Post #14 » by **Horcy** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:06 pm

No. You would need three balls to play that way.

Petre1978 · Post #15 » by **Petre1978** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:59 pm

Skybox wrote:
zaymon wrote:You want to go with that strategy to play your best players not your worst. It doesnt make sense for us.
Lets bench Franz Wagner and Chuma Okeke to see more Cole Anthony and RJ Hampton.....
I would rather play with 1 guard lineup, with Chuma and Suggs guarding perimeter.

I've got to agree...I'd really target another Franz-type, a big wing at 2/3, preferably who can shoot...call him whatever position you want.

I don't like the whole idea of having a big PG like Fultz/Suggs defend the SG because Cole is too small. It could work, but it's just diluting the advantage.

Big wing.
You have to target Mathurin and Griffin.

fendilim · Post #16 » by **fendilim** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:46 pm

No.

Why change something that is working?

DiplomaticMagic · Post #17 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:59 pm

I would like to see Fultz and Suggs start together. I'm not as much of a fan as Cole and Suggs starting together.

The Effect · Post #18 » by **The Effect** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:19 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:I would like to see Fultz and Suggs start together. I'm not as much of a fan as Cole and Suggs starting together.

Cool, thats a great idea, love the idea of having 2 guys who cant make a shot outside of the key

I mean, honestly question, can you think of a worse 3pt shooting starting backcourt in the past 20 years?

Skybox · Post #19 » by **Skybox** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:42 pm

zaymon wrote:
Skybox wrote:
zaymon wrote:You want to go with that strategy to play your best players not your worst. It doesnt make sense for us.
Lets bench Franz Wagner and Chuma Okeke to see more Cole Anthony and RJ Hampton.....
I would rather play with 1 guard lineup, with Chuma and Suggs guarding perimeter.

I've got to agree...I'd really target another Franz-type, a big wing at 2/3, preferably who can shoot...call him whatever position you want.

I don't like the whole idea of having a big PG like Fultz/Suggs defend the SG because Cole is too small. It could work, but it's just diluting the advantage.

Exactly. We just got one of those huge wings in Wagner and now we want to force small lineups ? I would understand if we had some crazy good ball handlers but we are playing better with Wagner and Carter on ball so whats the point ?

We can do it if we just refer to Franz as a Guard

zaymon · Post #20 » by **zaymon** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:53 pm

Skybox wrote:
zaymon wrote:
Skybox wrote:
I've got to agree...I'd really target another Franz-type, a big wing at 2/3, preferably who can shoot...call him whatever position you want.

I don't like the whole idea of having a big PG like Fultz/Suggs defend the SG because Cole is too small. It could work, but it's just diluting the advantage.

Exactly. We just got one of those huge wings in Wagner and now we want to force small lineups ? I would understand if we had some crazy good ball handlers but we are playing better with Wagner and Carter on ball so whats the point ?

We can do it if we just refer to Franz as a Guard

Sure, let our 6'10 guards handle the ball while our 6'3 center rebounds.