76ers prefer to hold out for James Harden

[Ballerhogger]

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1. What gamble this will be .
2. Do you really want waste Joel best season so far ?
3. What are the repercussion coming up empty in the summer ?


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[HotelVitale]

This will get merged in a minute, but just to clarify the position that many Sixers fans have been repeating for months:
1) it is a gamble for sure, but the alternative was basically to trade Simmons for someone like Fox or CJ McCollum who really just don't look like they'll get us where we need to get. I know Sixers fans should have more faith in the team and whatnot, but even before things fell apart against the Hawks every honest Sixer fan felt like we didn't have the ammo to go against the real contenders. We might not all agree with Morey's strategy but we get it
2) I know it's hard to understand at first but trying to integrate CJ McCollum or Fox right now and figuring out how to play guys like Maxey and Curry with them, then probably losing in the PO and being stuck with their contracts for another 3 years--that feels more like wasting Joel's prime than not making a move this trade deadline does. that's the balancing act here, and again we get why that decision was made not to set up the potential longer stalemate with a meh fit on a meh contract, even if it would be exciting to add a solid player right now.
3) If you come up short this summer, at least you actually tried to get yourself a championship roster instead of charging guns blazing into being 2nd fodder for the 4th time in 5 years. Sixers fans have been through that enough recently and we want to get it right, and we at least are cool going through some discomfort to try to go for the big score

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2. Do you really want waste Joel best season so far ?

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Getting tired of this 'waste Joel's best season'
Joel is growing as a leader and showing other players, that want to win a title (Lillard, Harden, ...) that he's a A+ player, healthy and still improving. At worse, they are showcasing him as a teammate that can help you win a title.

But what's the alternative:
Waste a season of Embiid's prime or waste his career by moving Simmons for I don't know what scrub (OP wants probably a Westbrook - Simmons trade, but you're not going to speak it into existance)

GM's know more than us, I feel they really think they got a decent chance at James Harden (and tbh, Simmons would fit very fine in Brooklyn). Why move Simmons than now for Jerami Grant or Haliburton or Sabonis or ... ?

Maxey
Harden
Thybulle
Harris
Embiid

Bench: Seth Curry, Danny Green, Niang

Pretty good, pretty good

[gmoney411]

I don't like this plan. If Harden is old Harden odds are the Nets win a title and he stays. If he's a lesser version of Harden you are going to have to pay him close to $50MM/yr while he's declining. If he really wanted Harden he should have went all in for him last year. Playing hard ball probably got the best of him on this one.

[taikibansei]

None of the proposed trades I've seen posted from the so-called "general managers" (on Real GM at least ) here would have resulted in a net gain of wins this season. Most would have wasted Joel's "best season so far" and messed up any chances for the 76ers to improve moving forward.

Far better to wait on the chance that some star player wants out later--or a team gets desperate and makes a legit offer.

[ChampionRed]

There is a 0% chance Harden leaves money on the table this summer. So if he were to go to the Sixers, it would almost definitely be a sign and trade.

[Harry Garris]

Well the Sixers must have some intel that Harden would want to do a sign and trade this summer to go to the Sixers in this case. Remember that Harden has an opt in final year of his contract so the Nets really have no say in where he goes and would be happy to get Ben Simmons out of a sign and trade rather than lose Harden for nothing - so if Harden DOES want to go to the Sixers it's not a bad idea to wait.

[Ballerhogger]

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Getting tired of this 'waste Joel's best season'
Joel is growing as a leader and showing other players, that want to win a title (Lillard, Harden, ...) that he's a A+ player, healthy and still improving. At worse, they are showcasing him as a teammate that can help you win a title.

But what's the alternative:
Waste a season of Embiid's prime or waste his career by moving Simmons for I don't know what scrub (OP wants probably a Westbrook - Simmons trade, but you're not going to speak it into existance)

GM's know more than us, I feel they really think they got a decent chance at James Harden (and tbh, Simmons would fit very fine in Brooklyn). Why move Simmons than now for Jerami Grant or Haliburton or Sabonis or ... ?

Maxey
Harden
Thybulle
Harris
Embiid

Bench: Seth Curry, Danny Green, Niang

Pretty good, pretty good

The gamble of Joel being healthy next year is there so it’s a fair concern. The alternatives is get pg make it run this year in Joel’s peak year so far . He’s never been this healthy and hes playing his best basketball . Westbrook for simmions lol . Morey would be fired .Hailburton is off the table , grant isn’t what you need nor is sabonis . The sixers are content holding to maxey but the bigges risk is the nets not wanting trade harden for Simmons .. Then what? The offers get worst if next season Ben is still on the 76ers.

[BullyKing]

There is a 0% chance Harden leaves money on the table this summer. So if he were to go to the Sixers, it would almost definitely be a sign and trade.

That would still mean leaving money on the table. Even in a sign and trade you can only sign the player to the contract he could have gotten any way using cap space.

[Ballerhogger]

Well the Sixers must have some intel that Harden would want to do a sign and trade this summer to go to the Sixers in this case. Remember that Harden has an opt in final year of his contract so the Nets really have no say in where he goes and would be happy to get Ben Simmons out of a sign and trade rather than lose Harden for nothing - so if Harden DOES want to go to the Sixers it's not a bad idea to wait.

Basically what it comes down to , in process waste this year. They can’t legally speak to him now …

[BullyKing]

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Getting tired of this 'waste Joel's best season'
Joel is growing as a leader and showing other players, that want to win a title (Lillard, Harden, ...) that he's a A+ player, healthy and still improving. At worse, they are showcasing him as a teammate that can help you win a title.

But what's the alternative:
Waste a season of Embiid's prime or waste his career by moving Simmons for I don't know what scrub (OP wants probably a Westbrook - Simmons trade, but you're not going to speak it into existance)

GM's know more than us, I feel they really think they got a decent chance at James Harden (and tbh, Simmons would fit very fine in Brooklyn). Why move Simmons than now for Jerami Grant or Haliburton or Sabonis or ... ?

Maxey
Harden
Thybulle
Harris
Embiid

Bench: Seth Curry, Danny Green, Niang

Pretty good, pretty good

The gamble of Joel being healthy next year is there so it’s a fair concern. The alternatives is get pg make it run this year in Joel’s peak year so far . He’s never been this healthy and hes playing his best basketball . Westbrook for simmions lol . Morey would be fired .Hailburton is off the table , grant isn’t what you need nor is sabonis . The sixers are content holding to maxey but the bigges risk is the nets not wanting trade harden for Simmons .. Then what? The offers get worst if next season Ben is still on the 76ers.

You've been saying this every day and have been proven wrong every single day about every single thing. You said the Sixers would need to buy out Simmons by this point.

[Bologna Smasher]

I can understand Morey's intent, but taking this route has too many risks.

1. Apparently Fertitta already gave Harden the option of picking between the 76ers and Nets, and he chose the Nets.
2. Harden can get more money from the Nets
3. What makes Morey think Sean Marks is going to want to work with him to gift him someone like Harden? 76ers would need to pull off a sign and trade to get him unless they dump Tobias Harris on someone. Embiid & Harden would become the Nets' biggest obstacle in the east.

If Morey does end up going through with this, it makes me think he may already have some sort of agreement set up with Harden.

[Tor_Raps]

LOL so they're going to waste a full season in hopes of the player they want becoming available. Then that player would actually want to play for them and the other team would want back whatever the Sixers have to offer.

Morey might ask for Harden + 4 picks for Simmons with the crap that's been floated around. This sucks as an Embiid fan but I find hilarious as a Raptors fan lol.

[ocelot17]

Why would the nets do the sixers a favor? They’re better off losing harden for nothing than get Simmons.

[Lunartic]

None of the proposed trades I've seen posted from the so-called "general managers" (on Real GM at least ) here would have resulted in a net gain of wins this season. Most would have wasted Joel's "best season so far" and messed up any chances for the 76ers to improve moving forward.

Far better to wait on the chance that some star player wants out later--or a team gets desperate and makes a legit offer.

How does that make any sense?

Simmons is not playing at all, he's providing negative value due to his cap hit and the drama surrounding his "mental health". Even something as silly as a trade of Simmons for Tim Hardaway Jr, would be a net gain of wins simply by virtue of adding a decent player that actually plays.

Nothing is promised in the NBA and a single injury can derail a team for a decade. Punting on a superstar's future for the possibility of a washed up, older Harden (who may or may not join) is incredibly risky. Embiid is probably the 3rd best player in the EC right now and there are no prohibitive favorites to win the title this year - there's no reason they should wait for the summer to give Embiid some help.

[Ballerhogger]

Getting tired of this 'waste Joel's best season'
Joel is growing as a leader and showing other players, that want to win a title (Lillard, Harden, ...) that he's a A+ player, healthy and still improving. At worse, they are showcasing him as a teammate that can help you win a title.

But what's the alternative:
Waste a season of Embiid's prime or waste his career by moving Simmons for I don't know what scrub (OP wants probably a Westbrook - Simmons trade, but you're not going to speak it into existance)

GM's know more than us, I feel they really think they got a decent chance at James Harden (and tbh, Simmons would fit very fine in Brooklyn). Why move Simmons than now for Jerami Grant or Haliburton or Sabonis or ... ?

Maxey
Harden
Thybulle
Harris
Embiid

Bench: Seth Curry, Danny Green, Niang

Pretty good, pretty good

The gamble of Joel being healthy next year is there so it’s a fair concern. The alternatives is get pg make it run this year in Joel’s peak year so far . He’s never been this healthy and hes playing his best basketball . Westbrook for simmions lol . Morey would be fired .Hailburton is off the table , grant isn’t what you need nor is sabonis . The sixers are content holding to maxey but the bigges risk is the nets not wanting trade harden for Simmons .. Then what? The offers get worst if next season Ben is still on the 76ers.

You've been saying this every day and have been proven wrong every single day about every single thing. You said the Sixers would need to buy out Simmons by this point.

I never said they had to buyout Simmons . I’ve repeatedly said the offers will get worst the longer they wait . So far I haven’t been proven wrong , the hawks said no harris + Ben deal . The kings won’t give up on hailburton now or fox. So how have I been proven wrong ? As of now if this true , morey holding out hope nets want Ben Simmons and want to gift them harden . Since as of now you can’t sign him to the deal he’s looking for.

[BullyKing]

The gamble of Joel being healthy next year is there so it’s a fair concern. The alternatives is get pg make it run this year in Joel’s peak year so far . He’s never been this healthy and hes playing his best basketball . Westbrook for simmions lol . Morey would be fired .Hailburton is off the table , grant isn’t what you need nor is sabonis . The sixers are content holding to maxey but the bigges risk is the nets not wanting trade harden for Simmons .. Then what? The offers get worst if next season Ben is still on the 76ers.

You've been saying this every day and have been proven wrong every single day about every single thing. You said the Sixers would need to buy out Simmons by this point.

I never said they had to buyout Simmons . I’ve repeatedly said the offers will get worst the longer they wait . So far I haven’t been proven wrong , the hawks said no harris + Ben deal . The kings won’t give up on hailburton now or fox. So how have I been proven wrong ? As of now if this true , morey holding out hope nets want Ben Simmons and want to gift them harden . Since as of now you can’t sign him to the deal he’s looking for.

Is there some other poster named ballerhogger that posts drivel about Simmons all day long?

I think it's at the point where it's bigger than the trade itself. I think on pure ownership saying enough is enough on player control, Philly isn't going to trade him until he plays. They'll let him sit out the next 4 years IMO.

if he doesn't get traded by deadline i think buyout rumors just might happen. The NBPA and league will get involved.

[taikibansei]

None of the proposed trades I've seen posted from the so-called "general managers" (on Real GM at least ) here would have resulted in a net gain of wins this season. Most would have wasted Joel's "best season so far" and messed up any chances for the 76ers to improve moving forward.

Far better to wait on the chance that some star player wants out later--or a team gets desperate and makes a legit offer.

How does that make any sense?

Simmons is not playing at all, he's providing negative value due to his cap hit and the drama surrounding his "mental health". Even something as silly as a trade of Simmons for Tim Hardaway Jr, would be a net gain of wins simply by virtue of adding a decent player that actually plays.

Nothing is promised in the NBA and a single injury can derail a team for a decade. Punting on a superstar's future for the possibility of a washed up, older Harden (who may or may not join) is incredibly risky. Embiid is probably the 3rd best player in the EC right now and there are no prohibitive favorites to win the title this year - there's no reason they should wait for the summer to give Embiid some help.

The 76ers have nearly a .700 record when Embiid plays, and are .587 overall. Looks like BS sitting his whiny ass down for the season to focus on playing League of Legends (or whatever the **** he plays) is hurting absolutely...nothing.

But yeah, Lunartic, let's see your specific oFfEr ( ) that makes the 76ers better now. Oh, and make sure it also doesn't cripple the team moving forward. A trade without doing both things would indeed be a real waste of Embiid's season.

Edited to add: Oh, wait, I see you did include an offer--Tim Hardaway Jr.!! So, your PlAn is for the 76ers to add a player who hopefully will never play for them--because they're not sitting Seth Curry, Maxey and/or Thybulle to allow Hardaway on the court--and allow the 76ers the honor of paying three extra years of salary (at 17 million per year) for the privilege? LMAO!!!

[djsunyc]

my crystal ball says harden goes to philly for simmons then embiid gets hurt and is out for the playoffs next season.

[Joshyjess]

Holding out for a great future deal! What can go wrong with that?
- Danny Ainge