OT: NFL Draft Thread

[blueNorange]

holy **** ****.

[F N 11]

We wasted that interview with Bills defensive coach. Mahomes got in field goal range in 13 seconds.

Mahomes about to take it home. Happy I was able to watch such a classic.

[Little Italia]

We wasted that interview with Bills defensive coach. Mahomes got in field goal range in 13 seconds.

Mahomes about to take it home. Happy I was able to watch such a classic.

At least they got it right in interviewing Daboll.

[Little Italia]

Bills calls have been exceptional so far. Hire Dab!!

being a good play caller doesn't mean you can lead 53 men. Shumur and McAdoo just proved that. Thats not enough. Penty of Hot OC also suck as HC. The Giants are interviewing plenty of coaches. hire the best man not simply jus the "friend" cause he can draw up plays...we dont know who they think that is yet. its not a slam dunk for him. You can always hire a bright minded OC, just as easily as getting an OC for a HC.

Giants needs a great leader of men first and foremost. You can hire good coordinators after that.

Somebody that Schoen has know way before Daboll is this dude right here.... Dont lock in on any one coach, just hope they make the right pick. Its crucial.

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All the great NFL coaches of all time were either OC or DC's. Finding the next great head coach is as difficult as finding the next franchise QB. It's alot of hit and miss.

[TerrenceClarke]

Bills calls have been exceptional so far. Hire Dab!!

being a good play caller doesn't mean you can lead 53 men. Shumur and McAdoo just proved that. Thats not enough. Penty of Hot OC also suck as HC. The Giants are interviewing plenty of coaches. hire the best man not simply jus the "friend" cause he can draw up plays...we dont know who they think that is yet. its not a slam dunk for him. You can always hire a bright minded OC, just as easily as getting an OC for a HC.

Giants needs a great leader of men first and foremost. You can hire good coordinators after that.

Somebody that Schoen has know way before Daboll is this dude right here.... Dont lock in on any one coach, just hope they make the right pick. Its crucial.

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All the great NFL coaches of all time were either OC or DC's. Finding the next great head coach is as difficult as finding the next franchise QB. It's alot of hit and miss.

Exactly, which is why I’m team anybody who’s the best leader of men and has the best vision of team even If I have likes or dislikes.

We see this year after year after year. A Hot OC or DC blows up, get promoted to HC and completely suck as a HC. It’s not the same as being a coordinator at all, whole different animal.


The giants have to be genuinely thoro in this search and not hire just because of nepotism wether it’s an OC or DC. I just want the best qualified leader of men first, and then we can figure out the rest with a high level staff, if it’s a D coach or O coach.

[blueNorange]

daboll being interviewed for the 2nd time tomorrow.

[F N 11]

daboll being interviewed for the 2nd time tomorrow.

He pretty much got it locked. Graham interviewing with Steelers. We need an overhaul on defense too. We could not stop anybody on 3rd downs or end of quarters or games lol.

[GONYK]

Daboll as HC

Fangio as DC

Let's lay a great foundation

[mpharris36]

Daboll as HC

Fangio as DC

Let's lay a great foundation

are you just spit balling the HC/DC connection because Fangio is a really good DC but I don't think he has any connection to Daboll? Daboll is likely as the HC...do you think they will just hire a DC that has no ties to Daboll since he would be a rookie HC...that can be risky because even though the units are separate you don't want to have division on the team.

[GONYK]

Daboll as HC

Fangio as DC

Let's lay a great foundation

are you just spit balling the HC/DC connection because Fangio is a really good DC but I don't think he has any connection to Daboll? Daboll is likely as the HC...do you think they will just hire a DC that has no ties to Daboll since he would be a rookie HC...that can be risky because even though the units are separate you don't want to have division on the team.

I'm 100% wishcasting.

[mpharris36]

Daboll as HC

Fangio as DC

Let's lay a great foundation

are you just spit balling the HC/DC connection because Fangio is a really good DC but I don't think he has any connection to Daboll? Daboll is likely as the HC...do you think they will just hire a DC that has no ties to Daboll since he would be a rookie HC...that can be risky because even though the units are separate you don't want to have division on the team.

I'm 100% wishcasting.

It does look like Patrick Graham might be leaving which I would be ok with...never thought our defense was that special even though it was a better unit than our offense.

I'm just worried about giving a first time HC a vet coordinator he doesn't know. It didn't work out well for Judge/Garrett when they had no connection.

The giants have a chance to have synergy throughout the organization. I know the Bills defensive end to the game last night was a disaster but they did have the #1 ranked defense and pass defense. I have heard good things about Bobby Babich...maybe a name to consider.

[GONYK]

are you just spit balling the HC/DC connection because Fangio is a really good DC but I don't think he has any connection to Daboll? Daboll is likely as the HC...do you think they will just hire a DC that has no ties to Daboll since he would be a rookie HC...that can be risky because even though the units are separate you don't want to have division on the team.

I'm 100% wishcasting.

It does look like Patrick Graham might be leaving which I would be ok with...never thought our defense was that special even though it was a better unit than our offense.

I'm just worried about giving a first time HC a vet coordinator he doesn't know. It didn't work out well for Judge/Garrett when they had no connection.

The giants have a chance to have synergy throughout the organization. I know the Bills defensive end to the game last night was a disaster but they did have the #1 ranked defense and pass defense. I have heard good things about Bobby Babich...maybe a name to consider.

I hear you, but did Daboll have any connection with McDermott?

I guess I'm just examining the process that Beane (and presumably Schoen) used in putting Buffalo's staff together.

[mpharris36]

I'm 100% wishcasting.

It does look like Patrick Graham might be leaving which I would be ok with...never thought our defense was that special even though it was a better unit than our offense.

I'm just worried about giving a first time HC a vet coordinator he doesn't know. It didn't work out well for Judge/Garrett when they had no connection.

The giants have a chance to have synergy throughout the organization. I know the Bills defensive end to the game last night was a disaster but they did have the #1 ranked defense and pass defense. I have heard good things about Bobby Babich...maybe a name to consider.

I hear you, but did Daboll have any connection with McDermott?

I guess I'm just examining the process that Beane (and presumably Schoen) used in putting Buffalo's staff together.

Yes McDermott played for William and Mary and Brian Daboll was volunteer assistant McDermotts senior year.

Another important factor Daboll was a OC in the past but never a HC. So first time HC McDermott never had the pressure with a previous HC like Fangio in the building. Now don't get me wrong if we can get Fangio for DC sure...I just think HC especially first time guys its important to have there guys in the building because otherwise it can become a fight for power.

[mpharris36]

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leftwich most likely going home to hopefully groom Lawrence...

[TerrenceClarke]

I like Fangio. if Daboll is a foregone conclusion from the beginning this is more proof that Rooney rule is BS cause the giants are basically interviewing black coaches they have no intention of hiring only to satisfy the rule.

It’s so easy for NFL teams to walk around the rule. As black man is very saddening that team after team does this year after year.

[DOT]

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leftwich most likely going home to hopefully groom Lawrence...

I have reservations about him as a coach, personally I had Pederson at the top of my list, but really my number one thing is getting rid of Baalke, and Byron would do that

Still don't know why we're doing a head coach search with Baalke before determining if we should keep him, but that's the only way the Jags could have done it.

[mpharris36]

I like Fangio. if Daboll is a foregone conclusion from the beginning this is more proof that Rooney rule is BS cause the giants are basically interviewing black coaches they have no intention of hiring only to satisfy the rule.

It’s so easy for NFL teams to walk around the rule. As black man is very saddening that team after team does this year after year.

I agree the rule is a farce. Giving draft capital also doesn't help the situation either. Whether the intention of the rule is good to get minority candidates in person meetings...a lot of coaching hires are decided before interviews. Interviews tend to be acknowledgement of your the teams initial rankings. Like the Giants interviewed Leslie Frazier...we all know he's not getting the job even with the bills connection.

What I see the biggest issue is the NFL is going in such an offensive direction and OC coordinator positions are dominated by guys that use to play the QB position (whether at a college level and just went into coaching ect...). Generally speaking the QB position has be dominated by white players. Rarely do you see an ex running back or ex WR go into coaching since the QB has to know every position. Kind of like how ex catchers in baseball usually make good coaches because they have to know everything. In basketball PG's or guys who played that position generally dominate the coaching positions. You don't see many big men that go on to be HC (you of course have your anomalies or the exception to the rule.

Obviously the influx of black QB's in the game might change that narrative. But guys that also make a ton of money usually don't want or need to get into coaching. So I doubt you will see guys like Russel Wilson or Pat Mahomes or Lamar Jackson go onto coaching because why would you. You made a ton of money already just retire and don't deal with the stress.

Its usually like former backup QB's that flame out that go into coaching.

I hope Leftwich gets the job he deserves a shot. I know people are knocking on the door for Bieniemy but there are rumors he interviews horribly and he has a past a lot of Owners probably don't want to deal with.

I think Demeco Ryans is the next big candidate...he has only been a DC for a year but I think he is a rising star. I think he will get a job shortly too.

I hear Aaron Glenn's name around a bit too. But my guess he's a long shot until he gets more years behind him.

Def a coordinator issue where guys should be promoted more often into to prominent roles. Sorry for the long winded response but its important to discuss because the Rooney rule (whether good intention or not isn't doing anything) neither is dangling a couple mid round picks at teams either, minority coordinators are even shrinking in 2022. Develop more minority QB's and offensive minds should be the direction the NFL goes.

[F N 11]

I don’t want Patrick Graham to be back.

[mpharris36]

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Wtf is going on.