Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 5.0

[Texas Chuck]

What on earth could poses the Lakers to try and trade Westbrook for wall lol .

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afaik they aren't trying to do any such thing. The rumor seems to be coming from the Houston end. I don't think anyone seriously thinks the Lakers would send Houston a first to swap the two.

[ejftw]

What on earth could poses the Lakers to try and trade Westbrook for wall lol .

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Straight up with no other incentive...hoping that Wall would be a better fit than Westbrook has been this far.

With the added pick, it definitely isn't worth it as no one knows what type of shape Wall is even in

[Mamba4Goat]

Was watching Brooklyn play the Wolves tonight and it became relatively clear to me that they could use an actual center that’s center sized. Who would you guys target for them?

[babyjax13]

Was watching Brooklyn play the Wolves tonight and it became relatively clear to me that they could use an actual center that’s center sized. Who would you guys target for them?

We have Udoka Azubuike. Millsap + 2nd for Doke? We could use some rebounding and toughness at the 4. I think Doke is ready to contribute to a team as a backup center, but that's also his upside (a backup).

[TheNetsFan]

Was watching Brooklyn play the Wolves tonight and it became relatively clear to me that they could use an actual center that’s center sized. Who would you guys target for them?

The last thing the Nets need is another big, especially given they have half a dozen C only guys and the Nets like to play small. It doesn't help that two 7 foot starters are out.

[Texas Chuck]

Patrick Williams and Colin Sexton are interesting to me. Bulls and Cavs both really good teams, but that feel a notch below the true contenders. Both with some ways to upgrade their teams without putting these guys into deals--Cavs use Rubio's money and pick assets(protected first, the 2 good 22 2nds they own)--Bulls can use TBJ/DJJ as matching and they have the Portland pick.

But if they wanted to do something bigger, would they consider trading their injured young players? Chicago should feel more urgency with Vuc/DD probably as good as they are going to be but Williams has more time under control. Cleveland probably feels like they have more time as their key players are young, but they've already sent some signals that paying Sexton big money might not be in the cards and with the team winning without him....

Probably neither get moved because I think Sexton doesn't return much and Williams probably doesn't return enough to justify trading him. But they feel like interesting players to watch and if I was one of the few sellers trading a good vet, these are guys I might really target over taking late protected 1sts even if I got a couple of them.

[Roy The Natural]

Was watching Brooklyn play the Wolves tonight and it became relatively clear to me that they could use an actual center that’s center sized. Who would you guys target for them?

They just don't have any assets for anything that would make much impact. I can't really see them plugging that hole this year. Nurkic would be a fantastic target... but I don't think they have anything of interest to Portland.

[K_chile22]

A lot of posturing here about how "Gordon is more likely to stay than be dealt unless there's an overwhelming offer, team loves him and his example, yadayadayada"
But a few interesting bits:

Clippers had genuine interest in wall early in the year but no one knows what they want to do going into the deadline

The Heat (???) have been aggressive in trying to get Christian Wood

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[gambitx777]

What on earth could poses the Lakers to try and trade Westbrook for wall lol .

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Straight up with no other incentive...hoping that Wall would be a better fit than Westbrook has been this far.

With the added pick, it definitely isn't worth it as no one knows what type of shape Wall is even in

I'll tell you from years of being a wizards fan and having a few connections to the DC club scene back in the day. Wall did clean up his life style there the last couple years. But, he did love to party in his younger days and he loved the strip clubs too. So who knows what life he's living in Texas right now.

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[gom]

I would be genuinely shocked if the Heat traded for Christian Wood, who does not seem to me the archetype of a Heat player. Jae'Sean Tate or Garrison Matthews seems a lot closer. They at least takes charges:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle/?sort=CHARGES_DRAWN&dir=1&PerMode=Totals

I think Wood works great on Houston, but he wouldn't get enough touches on the Heat to be happy.

[daoneandonly]

I would be genuinely shocked if the Heat traded for Christian Wood, who does not seem to me the archetype of a Heat player. Jae'Sean Tate or Garrison Matthews seems a lot closer. They at least takes charges:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle/?sort=CHARGES_DRAWN&dir=1&PerMode=Totals

I think Wood works great on Houston, but he wouldn't get enough touches on the Heat to be happy.

Yea that struck me as odd too. Riley and the heat scream culture, structure, and work ethic. Wood isnt known for any of that.

[HornetJail]

I would be genuinely shocked if the Heat traded for Christian Wood, who does not seem to me the archetype of a Heat player. Jae'Sean Tate or Garrison Matthews seems a lot closer. They at least takes charges:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle/?sort=CHARGES_DRAWN&dir=1&PerMode=Totals

I think Wood works great on Houston, but he wouldn't get enough touches on the Heat to be happy.

Yea that struck me as odd too. Riley and the heat scream culture, structure, and work ethic. Wood isnt known for any of that.

Heat have tons of "reclamation projects" of underachievers. Dion Waiters and Hassan Whiteside come to mind right away. Only issue is they wind up duping themselves into thinking those players are great and offering fat contracts they regret.

Wood isn't that though, he's already talented and productive. Heat probably think they can squeeze the most out of him.

[Ell Curry]

I would be genuinely shocked if the Heat traded for Christian Wood, who does not seem to me the archetype of a Heat player. Jae'Sean Tate or Garrison Matthews seems a lot closer. They at least takes charges:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/hustle/?sort=CHARGES_DRAWN&dir=1&PerMode=Totals

I think Wood works great on Houston, but he wouldn't get enough touches on the Heat to be happy.

They like talented knuckleheads (Whiteside was in **** Lebanon) and Wood playing 10-minutes of backup 5 and 20 minutes of PF behind Tucker is interesting.

Obviously Wood is a losing player with terrible habits but if Lowry or Butler says they can get him to stop playing lazy and selfish ball, suddenly the Heat have a scary frontline of Bam-Wood-Butler that could really bully teams.

[HartfordWhalers]

The Rockets have received a number of offers for the veteran wing, sources tell The Athletic, but all have been turned down.

Can we all agree this is when you are full blown salesman? No trades have yet been accepted is .. not really news.

[Ell Curry]

Do we have a list of reported Ben Simmons offers?

I saw these:

Detroit - Jerami Grant, Saddiq Bey, Kelly Olynyk, and a first-round pick. Depending on protection that's a meh to me, but if unprotected and the next 2 years I'd do it. Cade, Simmons and a top 4 rookie is probably still not making the playoffs next year.

Pels - Some firsts, some swaps?

[HornetJail]

Do we have a list of reported Ben Simmons offers?

I saw these:

Detroit - Jerami Grant, Saddiq Bey, Kelly Olynyk, and a first-round pick. Depending on protection that's a meh to me, but if unprotected and the next 2 years I'd do it. Cade, Simmons and a top 4 rookie is probably still not making the playoffs next year.

Pels - Some firsts, some swaps?

well that one is BS because the Pistons literally can't trade a 1st until 2029 (which isn't allowed yet) due to the tough protections they owe to OKC. Maybe on draft night they might do it, but it has no legs as a deadline deal.

[HartfordWhalers]

Do we have a list of reported Ben Simmons offers?

I saw these:

Detroit - Jerami Grant, Saddiq Bey, Kelly Olynyk, and a first-round pick. Depending on protection that's a meh to me, but if unprotected and the next 2 years I'd do it. Cade, Simmons and a top 4 rookie is probably still not making the playoffs next year.

Pels - Some firsts, some swaps?

well that one is BS because the Pistons literally can't trade a 1st until 2029 (which isn't allowed yet) due to the tough protections they owe to OKC. Maybe on draft night they might do it, but it has no legs as a deadline deal.

They could trade a pick now that is 2 years after the other pick. The other pick ends in 26 so the new pick could end in '28 which is all fine and legal.

As for what has been a legit offer; I don't trust that a single thing rumored was ever fully accurate.

[HornetJail]

Do we have a list of reported Ben Simmons offers?

I saw these:

Detroit - Jerami Grant, Saddiq Bey, Kelly Olynyk, and a first-round pick. Depending on protection that's a meh to me, but if unprotected and the next 2 years I'd do it. Cade, Simmons and a top 4 rookie is probably still not making the playoffs next year.

Pels - Some firsts, some swaps?

well that one is BS because the Pistons literally can't trade a 1st until 2029 (which isn't allowed yet) due to the tough protections they owe to OKC. Maybe on draft night they might do it, but it has no legs as a deadline deal.

They could trade a pick now that is 2 years after the other pick. The other pick ends in 26 so the new pick could end in '28 which is all fine and legal.

As for what has been a legit offer; I don't trust that a single thing rumored was ever fully accurate.

nah there's 1-9 protection in 2027 as well. If they still haven't conveyed it, it becomes a 2027 2nd.

so I'm pretty sure it's off the table since there is a possibility that the pick wouldn't be able to convey in 2029.

[HartfordWhalers]

well that one is BS because the Pistons literally can't trade a 1st until 2029 (which isn't allowed yet) due to the tough protections they owe to OKC. Maybe on draft night they might do it, but it has no legs as a deadline deal.

They could trade a pick now that is 2 years after the other pick. The other pick ends in 26 so the new pick could end in '28 which is all fine and legal.

As for what has been a legit offer; I don't trust that a single thing rumored was ever fully accurate.

nah there's 1-9 protection in 2027 as well. If they still haven't conveyed it, it becomes a 2027 2nd.

so I'm pretty sure it's off the table since there is a possibility that the pick wouldn't be able to convey in 2029.

Dang, I knew I should have double checked I was just so sure this was the pick I looked up last.

You are right!

Now, they could still do a pick, but it would have to say, if the other pick goes to '27 then you get a '28 2nd and that is it

[Scoot McGroot]

They could trade a pick now that is 2 years after the other pick. The other pick ends in 26 so the new pick could end in '28 which is all fine and legal.

As for what has been a legit offer; I don't trust that a single thing rumored was ever fully accurate.

nah there's 1-9 protection in 2027 as well. If they still haven't conveyed it, it becomes a 2027 2nd.

so I'm pretty sure it's off the table since there is a possibility that the pick wouldn't be able to convey in 2029.

Dang, I knew I should have double checked I was just so sure this was the pick I looked up last.

You are right!

Now, they could still do a pick, but it would have to say, if the other pick goes to '27 then you get a '28 2nd and that is it

Yup. And it would only possibly convert into a second if it falls under the protected range every year except for the last year, 2027. The pistons can absolutely trade a future first. It just might get devalued because the receiving team may not get a first out if it.