Breaking News : Sixers prefer to hold out for James Harden

[zimpy27]

So the interesting thing here is Shams has been the Simmons camp leaks and Woj the Sixers camp leaks when they were battling over fines.

If Shams is leaking this, does it mean that Simmons camp has been convinced of this?

I thought this too. I remember Rich Paul met with Morey last week or week before. Perhaps they were discussing a combined set of leaks from different sources to help get sixers the best deal?

[toooskies]

If the Sixers can liquidate Tobias Harris into expirings (without involving the Spurs), San Antonio can absorb Simmons into space (for whatever assets they deem worthy) and Harden should be able to sign directly? Assuming Pop still likes Simmons.

[HartfordWhalers]

I don’t think the two are working together;
And for those speculating on the price of a sign and trade, it usually is more like a 2nd than multiple rotation members. The thing about no longer having a guy under contract is you no longer have a guy under contract.
We’ve seen some deals with 1sts, but it is usually dumping bad salary.

Historically it would be pretty consistent to see something like *just* a 1st plus Korkmaz to Nets.

[rpa]

This was all obvious weeks ago. As I said in another one of these Simmons threads (summary):

"The Sixers are better off waiting until the offseason unless someone massively overpays or gives them a [super]star now".

Well, the asks he made of the Kings/Hawks are the definition of massive overpays. Now we're here.

[HartfordWhalers]

If the Sixers can liquidate Tobias Harris into expirings (without involving the Spurs), San Antonio can absorb Simmons into space (for whatever assets they deem worthy) and Harden should be able to sign directly? Assuming Pop still likes Simmons.

I think Philly would rather keep Tobias than not, assuming the sign and trade is doable. That team would need forwards bad.

[Larry_Russell]

Beal may materialize as the right star over the next few weeks. Im not convinced Wizards finish top 10 in EC and I could see Beal being interested in playing with Harris/Embiid while Wizards dont rebuild but build around Simmons/Dinwiddie backcourt in dealing Beal.

If BEal wants out there will be 1 team and most likely only 1 team at the top of his list.

And it isnt philly.

Are the offering Tatum or Brown? If not, it is a moot point.

If Beal demands a trade, and to a specific team or else he walks, then Brown or Tatum will not need to be offered. If in season it will be for pennies on the dollar

In the offseason it will be for Richardson, Horford, Youth and picks

[Larry_Russell]

Beal may materialize as the right star over the next few weeks. Im not convinced Wizards finish top 10 in EC and I could see Beal being interested in playing with Harris/Embiid while Wizards dont rebuild but build around Simmons/Dinwiddie backcourt in dealing Beal.

If BEal wants out there will be 1 team and most likely only 1 team at the top of his list.

And it isnt philly.

I really doubt that, if the idea is to win.

Naw,

Beal has shown that winning isnt everything.
And he has spoken, along with Tatum, about how much it would mean to play together

And lastly
a Beal, Tatum, Brown and Rob Williams/Smart team is a legit threat to win it all.

[shakes0]

I think we have just as good a chance as anyone else the way embiid is playing.

It'll take contributions from the perimeter guys regardless of how good he's playing.

He was superb last season in the postseason too. Wasn't enough.

I mean he was also playing with a partially torn knee

...that didn't require surgery so I don't really consider that to be a factor.

[Ballerhogger]

I don’t think the two are working together;
And for those speculating on the price of a sign and trade, it usually is more like a 2nd than multiple rotation members. The thing about no longer having a guy under contract is you no longer have a guy under contract.
We’ve seen some deals with 1sts, but it is usually dumping bad salary.

Historically it would be pretty consistent to see something like *just* a 1st plus Korkmaz to Nets.

and there's no reason to do that for the nets given there team structure.

[The Rebel]

I don’t think the two are working together;
And for those speculating on the price of a sign and trade, it usually is more like a 2nd than multiple rotation members. The thing about no longer having a guy under contract is you no longer have a guy under contract.
We’ve seen some deals with 1sts, but it is usually dumping bad salary.

Historically it would be pretty consistent to see something like *just* a 1st plus Korkmaz to Nets.

While I agree sign and trades for pure cap space usually end up being a 2nd round pick, the 76ers have to send out salary. If the Nets refuse to take Harris or Simmons in the deal then they are going to have to find a way to move 1 of them in a 3 way sign and trade or they are going to have too e both deals for the cap space to sign Harden. It cost the Warriors 3 picks to ceapr the cap space to sign igoudala years ago when the Nuggets said no sign and trade.

[GutUNC]

I just wouldn't count on being able to send Ben to Brooklyn. Based on deduction from his early-season entry into health and safety protocols, he wasn't vaccinated. I don't know if anything came out to refute that or if he has been vaccinated since, but Simmons is a big negative if he and Kyrie are both on the away-games-only plan.

So instead you need to convince Brooklyn to take a third-team package that Morey has already deemed insufficient for his less-valued player.

I don't think it's safe to assume that vaccine mandates now are identical to those in 6 months.

[GutUNC]

If BEal wants out there will be 1 team and most likely only 1 team at the top of his list.

And it isnt philly.

I really doubt that, if the idea is to win.

Naw,

Beal has shown that winning isnt everything.
And he has spoken, along with Tatum, about how much it would mean to play together

And lastly
a Beal, Tatum, Brown and Rob Williams/Smart team is a legit threat to win it all.

I know when I watch the Celtics that my thought is the missing piece is a perimeter guy that's really good at getting his own shot

[MoneyTalks41890]

If BEal wants out there will be 1 team and most likely only 1 team at the top of his list.

And it isnt philly.

I really doubt that, if the idea is to win.

Naw,

Beal has shown that winning isnt everything.
And he has spoken, along with Tatum, about how much it would mean to play together

And lastly
a Beal, Tatum, Brown and Rob Williams/Smart team is a legit threat to win it all.

I mean, there's still a salary cap, so I doubt we will see that team unless Washington wants to take Smart, JRich, Horford dead money, and picks for Beal in a sign and trade.

[zimpy27]

I don’t think the two are working together;
And for those speculating on the price of a sign and trade, it usually is more like a 2nd than multiple rotation members. The thing about no longer having a guy under contract is you no longer have a guy under contract.
We’ve seen some deals with 1sts, but it is usually dumping bad salary.

Historically it would be pretty consistent to see something like *just* a 1st plus Korkmaz to Nets.

Durant trade to Nets had DLo going out. At the time that was quite a get

[Ballerhogger]

I really doubt that, if the idea is to win.

Naw,

Beal has shown that winning isnt everything.
And he has spoken, along with Tatum, about how much it would mean to play together

And lastly
a Beal, Tatum, Brown and Rob Williams/Smart team is a legit threat to win it all.

I mean, there's still a salary cap, so I doubt we will see that team unless Washington wants to take Smart, JRich, Horford dead money, and picks for Beal in a sign and trade.

boston has nice 2022 pick and 2024 pick 1st would help bridge that gap?

[Larry_Russell]

I really doubt that, if the idea is to win.

Naw,

Beal has shown that winning isnt everything.
And he has spoken, along with Tatum, about how much it would mean to play together

And lastly
a Beal, Tatum, Brown and Rob Williams/Smart team is a legit threat to win it all.

I mean, there's still a salary cap, so I doubt we will see that team unless Washington wants to take Smart, JRich, Horford dead money, and picks for Beal in a sign and trade.

If Beal says he wants Boston
Horford
Richardson
NEsmith
Romeo
2 firsts
2 swaps

No long term salary commitment for Washington
2 young players
picks


That's a great deal for a player who is leaving.


I cannot see Washington wanting Simmons more than that as it ties up cap for 4 years. Washington would have capspace again the following season and all their youth and bostons youth.

[HartfordWhalers]

I don’t think the two are working together;
And for those speculating on the price of a sign and trade, it usually is more like a 2nd than multiple rotation members. The thing about no longer having a guy under contract is you no longer have a guy under contract.
We’ve seen some deals with 1sts, but it is usually dumping bad salary.

Historically it would be pretty consistent to see something like *just* a 1st plus Korkmaz to Nets.

Durant trade to Nets had DLo going out. At the time that was quite a get

I would fully disagree that Dlo at that contract then was quite a get, and think that is fully consistent with my position at the time. And more than just mine.

[HartfordWhalers]

It'll take contributions from the perimeter guys regardless of how good he's playing.

He was superb last season in the postseason too. Wasn't enough.

I mean he was also playing with a partially torn knee

...that didn't require surgery so I don't really consider that to be a factor.

It sure looked like a factor.

[kg01]

I mean he was also playing with a partially torn knee

...that didn't require surgery so I don't really consider that to be a factor.

It sure looked like a factor.

When? Guy was dominant every game. Well until the 4th when he got gassed anyways, but that's par for his course if we're being honest.

[the_process]

If BEal wants out there will be 1 team and most likely only 1 team at the top of his list.

And it isnt philly.

Are the offering Tatum or Brown? If not, it is a moot point.

If Beal demands a trade, and to a specific team or else he walks, then Brown or Tatum will not need to be offered. If in season it will be for pennies on the dollar

In the offseason it will be for Richardson, Horford, Youth and picks

I guess we'll see on that.