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BDM22 wrote:This is pretty wild. Cade is the 17th most double-teamed player in the entire NBA based on % of each player's possessions that see a double. More than Steph and Lebron
Get this man some teammates.
https://nbacourtoptix.nba.com/en
BDM22 wrote:This is pretty wild. Cade is the 17th most double-teamed player in the entire NBA based on % of each player's possessions that see a double. More than Steph and Lebron
Get this man some teammates.
https://nbacourtoptix.nba.com/en
whitehops wrote:BDM22 wrote:This is pretty wild. Cade is the 17th most double-teamed player in the entire NBA based on % of each player's possessions that see a double. More than Steph and Lebron
Get this man some teammates.
https://nbacourtoptix.nba.com/en
that's possessions per game, if you look at the % of possessions cade is closer to 12th-most double-teamed.
i was going to post this too: https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_shooting.html (sort by % of AST'd 2P FGs). he has to create 4/5 buckets inside the arc for himself, in the same company as fred vanvleet, russell westbrook and demar derozan, more than players like ja morant and darius garland.
he's pretty regularly double-teamed, has to create for himself the majority of the time, and he still puts up respectable numbers (for a rookie) and makes plays for others to keep the offense flowing.
that's why i kind of smile when i see other rookies being pumped up and no mention of cade. opposing defenses are literally treating him like he's an all star-calibre player and yet it's other rookies that are being praised for averaging 14 PPG off of putbacks, cutting layups and wide open 3s.
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JonFromVA wrote:whitehops wrote:BDM22 wrote:This is pretty wild. Cade is the 17th most double-teamed player in the entire NBA based on % of each player's possessions that see a double. More than Steph and Lebron
Get this man some teammates.
https://nbacourtoptix.nba.com/en
that's possessions per game, if you look at the % of possessions cade is closer to 12th-most double-teamed.
i was going to post this too: https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_shooting.html (sort by % of AST'd 2P FGs). he has to create 4/5 buckets inside the arc for himself, in the same company as fred vanvleet, russell westbrook and demar derozan, more than players like ja morant and darius garland.
he's pretty regularly double-teamed, has to create for himself the majority of the time, and he still puts up respectable numbers (for a rookie) and makes plays for others to keep the offense flowing.
that's why i kind of smile when i see other rookies being pumped up and no mention of cade. opposing defenses are literally treating him like he's an all star-calibre player and yet it's other rookies that are being praised for averaging 14 PPG off of putbacks, cutting layups and wide open 3s.
I just watched every shot Cade attempted against the Nuggets (via nba.com boxscore) and saw nothing particularly aggressive from Denver. Sometimes Jokic would step over to protect the rim, and Cade seemed to prefer to back out and shoot a fade-away rather than attack or try to setup the lob.
LoveMyRaps wrote:Suggs averaging 15/6/6 (shooting 47% from the field) in 28min since his return (6 games against solid competition).
I'll be honest I haven't been able to watch him live but it looks like he's been great on the defensive end as well based on blocks/steals numbers.
The 3pt shot still isn't there but I honestly like his mechanics and think he'll figure it out. He's only attempt a max of 2 threes per game (with the exception of one game) since his return. Wanna see him take more shots from behind the arc.
BDM22 wrote:JonFromVA wrote:whitehops wrote:
that's possessions per game, if you look at the % of possessions cade is closer to 12th-most double-teamed.
i was going to post this too: https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_shooting.html (sort by % of AST'd 2P FGs). he has to create 4/5 buckets inside the arc for himself, in the same company as fred vanvleet, russell westbrook and demar derozan, more than players like ja morant and darius garland.
he's pretty regularly double-teamed, has to create for himself the majority of the time, and he still puts up respectable numbers (for a rookie) and makes plays for others to keep the offense flowing.
that's why i kind of smile when i see other rookies being pumped up and no mention of cade. opposing defenses are literally treating him like he's an all star-calibre player and yet it's other rookies that are being praised for averaging 14 PPG off of putbacks, cutting layups and wide open 3s.
I just watched every shot Cade attempted against the Nuggets (via nba.com boxscore) and saw nothing particularly aggressive from Denver. Sometimes Jokic would step over to protect the rim, and Cade seemed to prefer to back out and shoot a fade-away rather than attack or try to setup the lob.
The numbers don't lie. The list in the link isn't filled with random dudes. Basically all in that top 20 have been all-stars or borderline.
Go and watch the whole second half of that game. He went off in the first half so they trapped him basically every time he got the ball in the 2nd half. He's just not one to force a bunch of shots over multiple defenders so they're not exactly going to show up on an "every-shot" highlight reel. And that's just one random game.
PrimeThyme wrote:LoveMyRaps wrote:Suggs averaging 15/6/6 (shooting 47% from the field) in 28min since his return (6 games against solid competition).
I'll be honest I haven't been able to watch him live but it looks like he's been great on the defensive end as well based on blocks/steals numbers.
The 3pt shot still isn't there but I honestly like his mechanics and think he'll figure it out. He's only attempt a max of 2 threes per game (with the exception of one game) since his return. Wanna see him take more shots from behind the arc.
What's the update on Barnes?
He's an FSU guy and I try to track their former player's careers as much as possible. I've followed Barnes dating all the way back to HS. I was lower on him than the consensus coming out of FSU, but it's partly because it's always hard to tell how players will truly look once playing outside the confines of Hamilton's system.
Anyways, I'm a fan and have been pretty shocked at his development In such a short time. Alot of the early season buzz has seemed to die down though, and looking at his numbers over the last 15 games or so they've (especially percentages) really taken a hit. Is he battling injury, a rookie slump, or is it a fit issue next to players with simial skillsets?
Salty1 wrote:Oof, why so many votes for Cade? He's been underachieving.
Salty1 wrote:Oof, why so many votes for Cade? He's been underwhelming at best
PrimeThyme wrote:
He's an FSU guy and I try to track their former player's careers as much as possible. I've followed Barnes dating all the way back to HS. I was lower on him than the consensus coming out of FSU, but it's partly because it's always hard to tell how players will truly look once playing outside the confines of Hamilton's system.
Anyways, I'm a fan and have been pretty shocked at his development In such a short time. Alot of the early season buzz has seemed to die down though, and looking at his numbers over the last 15 games or so they've (especially percentages) really taken a hit. Is he battling injury, a rookie slump, or is it a fit issue next to players with simial skillsets?
DroseReturnChi wrote:PrimeThyme wrote:
He's an FSU guy and I try to track their former player's careers as much as possible. I've followed Barnes dating all the way back to HS. I was lower on him than the consensus coming out of FSU, but it's partly because it's always hard to tell how players will truly look once playing outside the confines of Hamilton's system.
Anyways, I'm a fan and have been pretty shocked at his development In such a short time. Alot of the early season buzz has seemed to die down though, and looking at his numbers over the last 15 games or so they've (especially percentages) really taken a hit. Is he battling injury, a rookie slump, or is it a fit issue next to players with simial skillsets?
you must know a lot abt barnes if you followed him since fsu. i have been saying he is a draymond clone and wont make the next step unless he drastically change his broken shot and improve his ft and 3% by at least 10%. giannis won multiple mvp without those but barnes is not even physically close to giannis even if he bulks up.
barnes has made 0 improvement since his fsu days and overrated raptors development system has been a huge disappointment. this pick might harm masais reputation of a drafting god when he projects to be 4th best player at best. picking barnes meant raptors gave up contending and signaled tanking as he is a long term project similar to wiseman.
i thought barnes was the best fit bc of raptors development system, but the more i think about it, it probably is the worst possible destination when 4 similar players that are 3 and D paying alongside with you. having too many 3and D is not a good idea in modern era you need someone like a kyrie irving who can create and iso.
DroseReturnChi wrote:PrimeThyme wrote:
He's an FSU guy and I try to track their former player's careers as much as possible. I've followed Barnes dating all the way back to HS. I was lower on him than the consensus coming out of FSU, but it's partly because it's always hard to tell how players will truly look once playing outside the confines of Hamilton's system.
Anyways, I'm a fan and have been pretty shocked at his development In such a short time. Alot of the early season buzz has seemed to die down though, and looking at his numbers over the last 15 games or so they've (especially percentages) really taken a hit. Is he battling injury, a rookie slump, or is it a fit issue next to players with simial skillsets?
you must know a lot abt barnes if you followed him since fsu. i have been saying he is a draymond clone and wont make the next step unless he drastically change his broken shot and improve his ft and 3% by at least 10%. giannis won multiple mvp without those but barnes is not even physically close to giannis even if he bulks up.
barnes has made 0 improvement since his fsu days and overrated raptors development system has been a huge disappointment. this pick might harm masais reputation of a drafting god when he projects to be 4th best player at best. picking barnes meant raptors gave up contending and signaled tanking as he is a long term project similar to wiseman.
i thought barnes was the best fit bc of raptors development system, but the more i think about it, it probably is the worst possible destination when 4 similar players that are 3 and D paying alongside with you. having too many 3and D is not a good idea in modern era you need someone like a kyrie irving who can create and iso.
JonFromVA wrote:whitehops wrote:BDM22 wrote:This is pretty wild. Cade is the 17th most double-teamed player in the entire NBA based on % of each player's possessions that see a double. More than Steph and Lebron
Get this man some teammates.
https://nbacourtoptix.nba.com/en
that's possessions per game, if you look at the % of possessions cade is closer to 12th-most double-teamed.
i was going to post this too: https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2022_shooting.html (sort by % of AST'd 2P FGs). he has to create 4/5 buckets inside the arc for himself, in the same company as fred vanvleet, russell westbrook and demar derozan, more than players like ja morant and darius garland.
he's pretty regularly double-teamed, has to create for himself the majority of the time, and he still puts up respectable numbers (for a rookie) and makes plays for others to keep the offense flowing.
that's why i kind of smile when i see other rookies being pumped up and no mention of cade. opposing defenses are literally treating him like he's an all star-calibre player and yet it's other rookies that are being praised for averaging 14 PPG off of putbacks, cutting layups and wide open 3s.
I just watched every shot Cade attempted against the Nuggets (via nba.com boxscore) and saw nothing particularly aggressive from Denver. Sometimes Jokic would step over to protect the rim, and Cade seemed to prefer to back out and shoot a fade-away rather than attack or try to setup the lob.
