Game 46: Pistons (11-34) @ Nuggets (23-21) - Jan. 23 8:00 PM EST

[Manocad]

Keep the ball in Cade's hands, let him figure it out. What's the point of putting it in the vet's hands if the vet can't produce? The fact that we were running the offense through Joseph and not Cade down the stretch is bad coaching.

At the time the discussion started--or more to the point, when the complaining started--the Pistons had managed to tie the game even without getting Cade overly involved. Stay in your lane.

Fine, that's cute. But in 2 of the 3 most important possessions of the game, the vet screwed up and it cost them. Maybe putting the ball in the hands of your best player down the stretch could have prevented that.....literally every other team does it.

Your "point" is wrong.

At the time the complaint was being made, my "point" was right because the team had figured out how to score without having the ball in Cade's hands. When that's NOT working, THEN you complain. Stay in your lane.

[zeebneeb]

Teams can trap, or ball deny Cade consistently because they will bet that no one else can score when it counts. This is a winning strategy. When the team starts adding legitimate talent, this won't work anymore, and will open up the floor for Cade.

Just glad it was competitive. Far cry from the destruction I thought it was going to be.

[Manocad]

Teams can trap, or ball deny Cade consistently because they will bet that no one else can score when it counts. This is a winning strategy. When the team starts adding legitimate talent, this won't work anymore, and will open up the floor for Cade.

Just glad it was competitive. Far cry from the destruction I thought it was going to be.

Exactly. This literally happens ALL THE TIME in the NBA and has for years because as you said, it works. The Pistons did it with some success this game by doubling Jokic every time he caught the ball in the paint. He still had a monster game but there were certainly possessions in which the strategy paid off.

[DBC10]

So while they DID score anyway, they didn't score the right way. Got it.

We had 3 turnovers in the last minute of the game, 2 came from Cory Joseph....

Before tonight's game, CoJo had 35 assists to just 5 TO's for the entire month. He's been shooting the ball great and taking care of it better than anyone else in the league this month. For the month CoJo TS% is 68.4% and McGruder is 67.5% and everyone else on the team is below 57%.

It's going to be hard not to play Cojo (maybe even keep starting) if he keeps this sneaky good production up while fighting hard for a competitive loss. Denver is a top 3 team with Jokic as an MVP candidate again so this one was good to see at least on my feed

On to the next one

[Manocad]

We had 3 turnovers in the last minute of the game, 2 came from Cory Joseph....

Before tonight's game, CoJo had 35 assists to just 5 TO's for the entire month. He's been shooting the ball great and taking care of it better than anyone else in the league this month. For the month CoJo TS% is 68.4% and McGruder is 67.5% and everyone else on the team is below 57%.

It's going to be hard not to play Cojo (maybe even keep starting) if he keeps this sneaky good production up while fighting hard for a competitive loss. Denver is a top 3 team with Jokic as an MVP candidate again so this one was good to see at least on my feed

On to the next one

I agree with most that it would suck to see Cojo continue to start since he's clearly not a part of the Pistons' long term big picture and the hope would be that both Hayes and Lee develop and get the PG minutes. Plus wins aren't at a premium right now. But outside of that yeah, it's tough to argue that based on his current play he shouldn't get big minutes or even start.

[Kalamazoo317]

I think it's good for the development of our young players to play with vets who pass and read the floor well and who can knock down open shots.

[DTP]

Yeah Corey has never set screens for Cade before.

And in that Utah Cade wasn't exactly "kicking the ball around the yard" (court) like he was tonight.

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What exactly would be the point of having Joseph set the screen in a PnR....what advantage are you getting in that?

Why was he setting the screen THIS time? Why has he EVER set a screen. TF? That ain't for me to answer.

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You are attempting to sound smart but its not really working. There are different types of screens for different advantages.....having a guard set an off ball screen to get a shooter open is completely different from setting a ball screen, especially when it's Guard to Guard. A Guard to Guard ball screen just allows for the defense to switch, which is fine if the other team has a weak perimeter defender worth hunting but that wasn't the case last night. A 1-5 PnR getting the slow foot Jokic to switch onto Cade creates a disadvantage.....if you don't understand those basics of basketball then I got nothing for you.

[bstein14]

What exactly would be the point of having Joseph set the screen in a PnR....what advantage are you getting in that?

Why was he setting the screen THIS time? Why has he EVER set a screen. TF? That ain't for me to answer.

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You are attempting to sound smart but its not really working. There are different types of screens for different advantages.....having a guard set an off ball screen to get a shooter open is completely different from setting a ball screen, especially when it's Guard to Guard. A Guard to Guard ball screen just allows for the defense to switch, which is fine if the other team has a weak perimeter defender worth hunting but that wasn't the case last night. A 1-5 PnR getting the slow foot Jokic to switch onto Cade creates a disadvantage.....if you don't understand those basics of basketball then I got nothing for you.

It's probably the exact switch that Casey wanted, which is why it was CoJo setting that pick. Will Barton is a solid defender (has gotten all defense team votes in the past) and is 6'6" and disruptive. Rivers was guarding CoJo and an easier take for sure.

[DetroitSho]

What exactly would be the point of having Joseph set the screen in a PnR....what advantage are you getting in that?

Why was he setting the screen THIS time? Why has he EVER set a screen. TF? That ain't for me to answer.

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You are attempting to sound smart but its not really working. There are different types of screens for different advantages.....having a guard set an off ball screen to get a shooter open is completely different from setting a ball screen, especially when it's Guard to Guard. A Guard to Guard ball screen just allows for the defense to switch, which is fine if the other team has a weak perimeter defender worth hunting but that wasn't the case last night. A 1-5 PnR getting the slow foot Jokic to switch onto Cade creates a disadvantage.....if you don't understand those basics of basketball then I got nothing for you.

Except I never said anything about the pick n roll and using Corey as the screener in that situation. So after asking a dumb question you just finally figured out the answer of what benefit of a Corey Joseph screen.

Which, wasn't the point to begin with. It's like you went way left to divert from the original point. Which was, let me help you, including an off ball moving screen as some type of ballhandling turnover to further the point why Cade should've had the ball in his hands made zero sense. You can debate the pros and cons of a Corey Joseph screen, but I'll be back on the actual point.

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[DetroitSho]

Why was he setting the screen THIS time? Why has he EVER set a screen. TF? That ain't for me to answer.

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You are attempting to sound smart but its not really working. There are different types of screens for different advantages.....having a guard set an off ball screen to get a shooter open is completely different from setting a ball screen, especially when it's Guard to Guard. A Guard to Guard ball screen just allows for the defense to switch, which is fine if the other team has a weak perimeter defender worth hunting but that wasn't the case last night. A 1-5 PnR getting the slow foot Jokic to switch onto Cade creates a disadvantage.....if you don't understand those basics of basketball then I got nothing for you.

It's probably the exact switch that Casey wanted, which is why it was CoJo setting that pick. Will Barton is a solid defender (has gotten all defense team votes in the past) and is 6'6" and disruptive. Rivers was guarding CoJo and an easier take for sure.

Naw man, all screens lead to a pnr, didn't you know?

And to further your point, just for the sake of discussion, just having Jokic in the pnr is not enough when you have the weaker defensive guard at the point of attack with Jokic by hunting that switch. But, you know, screens, pick n rolls, blah blah blah.

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[DTP]

Why was he setting the screen THIS time? Why has he EVER set a screen. TF? That ain't for me to answer.

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You are attempting to sound smart but its not really working. There are different types of screens for different advantages.....having a guard set an off ball screen to get a shooter open is completely different from setting a ball screen, especially when it's Guard to Guard. A Guard to Guard ball screen just allows for the defense to switch, which is fine if the other team has a weak perimeter defender worth hunting but that wasn't the case last night. A 1-5 PnR getting the slow foot Jokic to switch onto Cade creates a disadvantage.....if you don't understand those basics of basketball then I got nothing for you.

It's probably the exact switch that Casey wanted, which is why it was CoJo setting that pick. Will Barton is a solid defender (has gotten all defense team votes in the past) and is 6'6" and disruptive. Rivers was guarding CoJo and an easier take for sure.

I'm not really sure what you're talking about.....Hayes had Jokic on him and Gordon was on Cojo. Cojo set a screen off the ball for Bey who had Barton on him and Cojo got the offensive foul (turnover). I'm saying if Cade was given the ball in a high PnR opportunity, Joseph wouldn't be setting the screen because typically a Guard to Guard ball screen does nothing unless there's a really weak defender on the floor. While Rivers isn't the best defensively, he's not a target.....especially with Jokic being on the floor.

If Casey really wanted Gordon (their best defender on the team) switched on to Bey in that situation then Casey is more awful than we all think.

[bstein14]

You are attempting to sound smart but its not really working. There are different types of screens for different advantages.....having a guard set an off ball screen to get a shooter open is completely different from setting a ball screen, especially when it's Guard to Guard. A Guard to Guard ball screen just allows for the defense to switch, which is fine if the other team has a weak perimeter defender worth hunting but that wasn't the case last night. A 1-5 PnR getting the slow foot Jokic to switch onto Cade creates a disadvantage.....if you don't understand those basics of basketball then I got nothing for you.

It's probably the exact switch that Casey wanted, which is why it was CoJo setting that pick. Will Barton is a solid defender (has gotten all defense team votes in the past) and is 6'6" and disruptive. Rivers was guarding CoJo and an easier take for sure.

I'm not really sure what you're talking about.....Hayes had Jokic on him and Gordon was on Cojo. Cojo set a screen off the ball for Bey who had Barton on him and Cojo got the offensive foul (turnover). I'm saying if Cade was given the ball in a high PnR opportunity, Joseph wouldn't be setting the screen because typically a Guard to Guard ball screen does nothing unless there's a really weak defender on the floor. While Rivers isn't the best defensively, he's not a target.....especially with Jokic being on the floor.

If Casey really wanted Gordon (their best defender on the team) switched on to Bey in that situation then Casey is more awful than we all think.

CoJo was going to work on Rivers for most of the 4th quarter at the expense of Rivers who couldn't keep Joseph in front of him. Out of everyone out there at the 1/2/3/4 Rivers was the worst defender, which is likely why Casey had CoJo set the screen so the guy he wanted with the ball in his hands would hopefully have Rivers on him.

Because CoJo played so well against Rivers the entire 4th, its certainly possible that Denver had already made a change up, but that would have been my thought as to why CoJo was the screener in that situation.... to try to get their weakest defender on the guy we're trying to have take the shot.

If that wasn't the reason, then I agree it doesn't make much sense for Joseph to set that screen because we have bigger bodies to set. You only really would send CoJo because you want to go at his defender.