Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[Troubadour]

Two questions for you from a Raptors perspective:
- What would you want for Spencer Dinwiddie?
- Is Rui Hachimura available for future assets?

[pcbothwel]

Dinwiddie, Bertans and a pick for Simmons? Heck, I'd even throw in Hachi and or Bryant.

Why for Philly? Win now. Dinwiddie can do what he does best and the Sixers need: Dribble the ball up slowly and lob it in to Embiid.

With all of the double teams on Embiid, Bertans can do what he does best. Stand in the corner and shoot open threes.

Simmons Holliday
Beal Krispy
KCP Deni
Kuz Hachi
Gafford Trez

Lock down lineup of:

Simmons
KCP
Deni
Kuz
Gafford

What "Pick" are you referencing? We cant trade any pick outright for the next half decade, so I assume you mean a pick swap this year? Hard pass unless there is protections of some type (Top 8-10)

Though, I would be open to holding onto Bertans and sending out Kuzma instead and offering a pick swap or two after this year.

[queridiculo]

Dinwiddie, Bertans and a pick for Simmons? Heck, I'd even throw in Hachi and or Bryant.

Why for Philly? Win now. Dinwiddie can do what he does best and the Sixers need: Dribble the ball up slowly and lob it in to Embiid.

With all of the double teams on Embiid, Bertans can do what he does best. Stand in the corner and shoot open threes.

Simmons Holliday
Beal Krispy
KCP Deni
Kuz Hachi
Gafford Trez

Lock down lineup of:

Simmons
KCP
Deni
Kuz
Gafford

Delusional trade proposal.

It's one thing to make a case that Simmons may be overrated, but to suggest that two negative asset plus some future draft pick is anything close to value is absurd.

[FAH1223]

Two questions for you from a Raptors perspective:
- What would you want for Spencer Dinwiddie?
- Is Rui Hachimura available for future assets?

We need a PG who can

Shoot the 3
Get assists not turnovers

And play a semblance of defense

[Troubadour]

Two questions for you from a Raptors perspective:
- What would you want for Spencer Dinwiddie?
- Is Rui Hachimura available for future assets?

We need a PG who can

Shoot the 3
Get assists not turnovers

And play a semblance of defense

There's a dream version of this trade for me and a realistic one.

Dream:
Dinwiddie, Hachimura, Holiday
for
Dragic, Flynn, Boucher, Protected 1st

Realistic:
Pistons get Hachimura, Flynn, Dragic, 2027 1st from Washington, 2025 2nd from Toronto, 2026 2nd from Washington
Wizards get Jerami Grant and Chris Boucher
Raptors get Spencer Dinwiddie, Kelly Olynyk

Don't really know why you all would do my dream version, but I actually like the second one for everyone

[verbal8]

Two questions for you from a Raptors perspective:
- What would you want for Spencer Dinwiddie?
- Is Rui Hachimura available for future assets?

We need a PG who can

Shoot the 3
Get assists not turnovers

And play a semblance of defense

There's a dream version of this trade for me and a realistic one.

Dream:
Dinwiddie, Hachimura, Holiday
for
Dragic, Flynn, Boucher, Protected 1st

Realistic:
Pistons get Hachimura, Flynn, Dragic, 2027 1st from Washington, 2025 2nd from Toronto, 2026 2nd from Washington
Wizards get Jerami Grant and Chris Boucher
Raptors get Spencer Dinwiddie, Kelly Olynyk

Don't really know why you all would do my dream version, but I actually like the second one for everyone

The Raptors and Wizards seem like really bad trade partners is reality. Both seem likely to be chasing the bottom playoff seeds of the Eastern Conference and are near the tax line with little reason to pay it.

That being said, I think there could be some logic to a Dragic + incentive deal for Dinwiddie. The Wizards would either be rebuilding or have to sell Beal on the ability to get a better fit at PG next season.

On Hanchimura, I hope the team continues to put his mental health needs first. Generally trades aren't helpful to a player's mental health, so I think the interest in dealing him is very low.

[nate33]

There's a dream version of this trade for me and a realistic one.

Dream:
Dinwiddie, Hachimura, Holiday
for
Dragic, Flynn, Boucher, Protected 1st

Realistic:
Pistons get Hachimura, Flynn, Dragic, 2027 1st from Washington, 2025 2nd from Toronto, 2026 2nd from Washington
Wizards get Jerami Grant and Chris Boucher
Raptors get Spencer Dinwiddie, Kelly Olynyk

Don't really know why you all would do my dream version, but I actually like the second one for everyone

The Raptors and Wizards seem like really bad trade partners is reality. Both seem likely to be chasing the bottom playoff seeds of the Eastern Conference and are near the tax line with little reason to pay it.

That being said, I think there could be some logic to a Dragic + incentive deal for Dinwiddie. The Wizards would either be rebuilding or have to sell Beal on the ability to get a better fit at PG next season.

On Hanchimura, I hope the team continues to put his mental health needs first. Generally trades aren't helpful to a player's mental health, so I think the interest in dealing him is very low.

You make a good point about Hachimura being difficult to trade at the moment.

On the other hand, it doesn't make much sense to keep all 3 among Hachimura, Kuzma and Avdija. One of them probably should be moved, and hopefully that's not Avdija. In other words, a trade of Hachimura or Kuzma makes a fair amount of sense. I don't really have a strong opinion on which guy to keep. They both kinda look impressive, but their actual impact on winning has been somewhat lacking for the most part. I'd trade either one for a pretty decent future 1st.

[Troubadour]

We need a PG who can

Shoot the 3
Get assists not turnovers

And play a semblance of defense

There's a dream version of this trade for me and a realistic one.

Dream:
Dinwiddie, Hachimura, Holiday
for
Dragic, Flynn, Boucher, Protected 1st

Realistic:
Pistons get Hachimura, Flynn, Dragic, 2027 1st from Washington, 2025 2nd from Toronto, 2026 2nd from Washington
Wizards get Jerami Grant and Chris Boucher
Raptors get Spencer Dinwiddie, Kelly Olynyk

Don't really know why you all would do my dream version, but I actually like the second one for everyone

The Raptors and Wizards seem like really bad trade partners is reality. Both seem likely to be chasing the bottom playoff seeds of the Eastern Conference and are near the tax line with little reason to pay it.

That being said, I think there could be some logic to a Dragic + incentive deal for Dinwiddie. The Wizards would either be rebuilding or have to sell Beal on the ability to get a better fit at PG next season.

On Hanchimura, I hope the team continues to put his mental health needs first. Generally trades aren't helpful to a player's mental health, so I think the interest in dealing him is very low.

OK, I think I've found a formulation that works.

Wizards Receive
Malachi Flynn
Goran Dragic
2022 2nd Round Pick (TOR via CHA)
2023 2nd Round Pick (TOR)
2025 2nd Round Pick (TOR)

Raptors Receive
Spencer Dinwiddie
Rui Hachimura
Ish Smith

Hornets Receive
Chris Boucher

Wizards and Raptors send out more salary than they take in with this trade. How close do you think this is?

[doclinkin]

Realistic:
Pistons get Hachimura, Flynn, Dragic, 2027 1st from Washington, 2025 2nd from Toronto, 2026 2nd from Washington
Wizards get Jerami Grant and Chris Boucher
Raptors get Spencer Dinwiddie, Kelly Olynyk

Don't really know why you all would do my dream version, but I actually like the second one for everyone

Hah! Realistic. Sure that solves all our problems, what we clearly need most is more Bigs. Let's pay a pick or two to get rid of a starting PG. That'll work.

Neto/A.Holiday
Beal
KCP/Kispert
Grant/Kuzma/Avdija/Boucher/I.Todd
Gafford/Bryant/Trez

CHAMPIONSHIP!

OK, I think I've found a formulation that works.

Wizards Receive
Malachi Flynn
Goran Dragic
2022 2nd Round Pick (TOR via CHA)
2023 2nd Round Pick (TOR)
2025 2nd Round Pick (TOR)

Raptors Receive
Spencer Dinwiddie
Rui Hachimura
Ish Smith

Hornets Receive
Chris Boucher

Wizards and Raptors send out more salary than they take in with this trade. How close do you think this is?

AWESOME. We send out a starting guard and a lotto pick.
But hey pick up two back-ups at the PG slot.
One shooting .286 from outside, the other shooting .273.
And we land the whole mulch pile of 2nd round picks.
That solves it! Since what we need most is top level lotto talent,
this ensures that we will get ping pong balls for years.

That's the key. We are deep in functional players, but have nobody who beats their match-up on a nightly basis. No all-stars. What we need is: outside shooting, leadership, competitive moxie, and top level talent. Whatever trades we pull off will need to add something of that list to the team.

Ditching a guy that we made crazy maneuvers to get, along with our top young talent who has been a starter for us, and who played well in the playoffs when everyone else stank, makes no sense. We are not trying to dump players, just upgrade chemistry and talent.
No, a trade with Toronto is unlikely. Especially for the players you are targeting, and hoping to get by shipping out your garbage.

[FAH1223]

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[doclinkin]

Two questions for you from a Raptors perspective:
- What would you want for Spencer Dinwiddie?
- Is Rui Hachimura available for future assets?

I would expect Dinwiddie is not available. He is our back-up plan if Beal chooses to skip to another team in the offseason. He has played well when Beal is out of the game. So unless we have a quiet deal with Beal, we are probably sticking with SD26 and hoping the chemistry develops. Unless he is part of a package to land a star that meshes well with Beal. That likely would not happen until the offseason, and after Beal re-inks here.

If we traded Dinwiddie we would need a starting PG to replace him. It is rare that teams trade same position players of equivalent worth. Toronto doesn't have that guy. They, like us, are ridiculously deep in forwards. Shallow everywhere else.

On that note: How would Hachimura even play? He'd be behind Barnes, Siakam, Achiuwa... you literally have 8 players in the same 6'8"-6'9" range.

Is Rui available for assets? He is a lottery pick that they have invested a great deal of expectations and patience in. He's not untouchable, but I expect the team would be looking for a lottery pick and a player at a position of need (outside shooter, floor general). Rui is our most impressive natural talent. He is the player with the highest upside if he develops skill to match his strength and smooth athleticism. If Rui were traded it is likely as part of a package that brings back some other team's disgruntled star, or a team offers a player and package of picks that is too good to turn down.

[gambitx777]

Dinwiddie, Bertans and a pick for Simmons? Heck, I'd even throw in Hachi and or Bryant.

Why for Philly? Win now. Dinwiddie can do what he does best and the Sixers need: Dribble the ball up slowly and lob it in to Embiid.

With all of the double teams on Embiid, Bertans can do what he does best. Stand in the corner and shoot open threes.

Simmons Holliday
Beal Krispy
KCP Deni
Kuz Hachi
Gafford Trez

Lock down lineup of:

Simmons
KCP
Deni
Kuz
Gafford

Jesus can we stop this madness please you want to toss in value to Simmons. No and also DM is so stuck in his own little wouldn't he would never even look at this.

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[SUPERBALLMAN]

We should trade for Ross!

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265547/Magic-Expected-To-Trade-Terrence-Ross-Or-Gary-Harris-By-Deadline

[SUPERBALLMAN]

If we're keeping Beal we should go all in win now....

Trade for Sabonis.

Something like Bertans, Rui, Kispert, Bryant.

And Grant...

Something like Trez, KCP, Holiday, Deni, Todd, Winston.

Either this or trade Beal. One of the other. We need a drastic change we can't keep it as is.

[FAH1223]

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[Dark Faze]

The way the East is right now, we'd go all in and still catch a first round exit. You could swap Rui for Grant and Sabonis with Trez and while we'd be better you couldn't really guarantee a first round victory in a 2/7 matchup with say, the Bulls, or 1/8 with the Heat. Only team I'd feel good about beating would be a 5/6 with the Cavs.

No doubt those players would improve our odds significantly, but to sell off so much young real estate only to barely improve your post season performance is troubling.

But yea, in order to have a real chance at making some kind of noise (win a playoff round) and avoid the play in tournament, this team needs at least two big acquisitions, not one.

[gambitx777]

The way the East is right now, we'd go all in and still catch a first round exit. You could swap Rui for Grant and Sabonis with Trez and while we'd be better you couldn't really guarantee a first round victory in a 2/7 matchup with say, the Bulls, or 1/8 with the Heat. Only team I'd feel good about beating would be a 5/6 with the Cavs.

No doubt those players would improve our odds significantly, but to sell off so much young real estate only to barely improve your post season performance is troubling.

But yea, in order to have a real chance at making some kind of noise (win a playoff round) and avoid the play in tournament, this team needs at least two big acquisitions, not one.

I agree. But, I see no way of getting grant and D.S. with out emptying the war chest and killing the future. There is not way you get out of a deal like that with out losing almost all of your young players and picks plus I'd assume you're keeping Kuz so Trez and KCP have to go and so does bertans. Even, giving up Rui and picks. I don't see how you keep Bryant, deni and Kispert who we should not trade. But we do have valuable assets that we can pawn for a rebuild. Beal, Trez, KCP, ... We should start over!

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[FAH1223]

Morey wants Harden and only Harden. Harden misses the strip clubs in Houston.

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As the NBA calendar approaches the Feb. 10 trade deadline, word has circulated around the league about James Harden's increased interest in testing the open market this summer, and how his impending free agency is impacting the Philadelphia 76ers' asking price for Ben Simmons.

In his 13-year career, Harden has never been a free agent. By all accounts, the former MVP has clear intentions to reach unrestricted free agency for the first time, even if that would lead him back to the Nets.

Harden remains invested in competing for the title in Brooklyn this season, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the situation. But Harden has recently informed several confidants—including former teammates and coaches—of his interest in exploring other opportunities outside of Brooklyn this summer, league sources told B/R.

"James isn't going to hold back," said a person familiar with Harden. "He's gonna tell you where he stands."

Harden has been vocal to Nets figures and close contacts alike about his frustrations regarding Kyrie Irving's part-time playing status. A recent injury to Kevin Durant has exacerbated the issue, leaving Harden to shoulder the majority of the offensive burden during Brooklyn home games.

Nets coach Steve Nash's fluid rotations have also disappointed Harden, sources told B/R. Nash has favored hot-hand closing lineups, rather than a fixed crunch-time unit.

His new city could also be an issue. According to multiple sources, Harden has not enjoyed living in Brooklyn, compared to his days as a central Houston magnate. Outside of the change in climate, the chasm between state taxes in New York versus Texas is quite obvious as well.

To be clear: There has been no trade request. A Nets-Sixers deal is highly unlikely to materialize prior to the deadline. Yet Harden's apparent openness to joining Embiid and reuniting with Philadelphia president Daryl Morey will loom over the Sixers' trade conversations for Simmons these next three weeks. A potential sign-and-trade for Simmons this offseason, was noted by Bleacher Report back in early December.

If Harden were to reach free agency, teaming with Embiid in Philadelphia would present one of the few situations that could offer Harden a similar chance to capture the championships he desires. Since his Rockets days, Dwyane Wade's three titles have long been somewhat of a self-imposed benchmark for Harden's career. His connection to Morey is clear, and Harden is also known to hold a relationship with Sixers minority owner Michael Rubin.

Philadelphia is not necessarily holding onto Simmons to acquire Harden this summer, sources said. But it seems both the Sixers front office and Harden himself are viewing that potential marriage as a backstop for their respective futures. Philadelphia officials and executives across the league continue to monitor Bradley Beal's status in Washington.



Of course for any sign-and-trade to happen, Brooklyn would need to be a willing participant. If Harden ever does formally communicate his interest in playing elsewhere this summer, the Nets would likely be hard-pressed to find a greater return for Harden than Simmons, assuming Simmons can rediscover his All-Star form. Simmons, after all, was the Rockets' runner-up offer for Harden a year ago. And the Sixers have signaled a willingness to attach additional assets to acquire a player such as Harden or Lillard.

For Simmons to be dealt now, as his camp clearly hopes will materialize, Philadelphia has remained primarily engaged with Atlanta and Sacramento of late, league sources confirmed to B/R. The Kings have shown a willingness to take back Tobias Harris' contract in addition to Simmons. The Hawks, however, are uninterested in acquiring Harris in order to land Simmons at this time and have been searching for a third team to function as a trade partner, sources told B/R.

As the Sixers continue to hold firm in their lofty asking price, with that Harden-sized elephant always in the room, both Atlanta and Sacramento have emerged as strong suitors for Jerami Grant, sources told B/R. The Hawks and Kings join a long list of teams that includes the Lakers, Trail Blazers, Knicks, Jazz and Timberwolves among others. The Bulls have continued exploring avenues to land Grant without sacrificing prized swingman Patrick Williams, sources said.

While there's been no direct indication on particular trade frameworks for Atlanta's pursuit of Grant, the Hawks have grown more active in searching for a new home for John Collins, sources said, and Collins' salary works in a direct swap for Grant. The Kings are said to have removed De'Aaron Fox and Tyrese Haliburton from any ongoing trade conversations, though Marvin Bagley III has consistently drawn interest from Detroit.

Executives around the league are still waiting for this NBA trade market's first major domino to fall. Simmons was recently labeled by one general manager as "the lynchpin" of this deadline, but it seems as clear as ever that Philadelphia won't budge unless a rival offer can surpass a possibly bearded running mate for Embiid come July.

[Dark Faze]

I'm not sure KD could play with Simmons for long before wanting to choke him out.

[80sballboy]

Here's one Bertans trade rumor or speculation. No way Tommy does this.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2952649-realistic-trades-to-move-nbas-worst-contracts
https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2022/01/24/nba-rumors-washington-wizards-oklahoma-city-thunder-trade-involves-davis-bertans/

Oklahoma City Thunder Receive:

PF Davis Bertans
2022 first-round pick (unprotected)
2026 second-round pick
Washington Wizards Receive:

2023 first-round pick (originally lottery-protected, via Washington Wizards)