dremill24 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:dremill24 wrote:Stop trying to trade Shamet. None of your deals are legal. There's a reason PPP players never get traded, the math just doesn't work unless there's a team with significant cap space involved
Whatever.....................
You mean like the teams with cap space or trade exceptions mentioned in my post with cited links....lol. check the links for more clarity on the situation. Look, we get it! You don't want to trade anyone. And that's your perspective of course. But he CAN ABSOLUTELY be traded into another team's exception. And he can be traded for an equivalent expiring salary. Or a cheaper salary coming back from a team with salary space. We could easily trade him to New Orleans for Sato. And they'd likely do it for a minimal draft asset as Satos' also in a career slump.
Brooklyn GMs( trade board) already offered to take him into their exception for a 2nd. And Dallas fans, etc offered to absorb him into their exceptions for a 1st with moderate protection. But feel free to disagree if you like.
You cited links and then interpreted them incorrectly, sorry. He
may be able to be taken into a trade exception but these deals where you trade him for a $9 mil salary cannot be done, so roll your eyes all you want, doesn't change that.
Also not sure where the attitude about me not wanting to trade anyone cones from. I post maybe once a week and have never said that. The "we have the best record therefore we do not have any room to improve" stance is foolish to me, so try again.
so roll your eyes all you want, doesn't change that.
Thank you! I will as long as you feel the need to try and chastize me for my opinion on a trade discussion board because my perspective differs from yours regarding my interest in trading Shamet. As for the trades being illegal, I'll concede that you're partially right, In that they're incomplete. I rushed them whilst multitasking half asleep and I admitted to my error in not completing them fully, causing them to be deemed illegal as you pointed out. However, the trades I proposed need at worst a minimal salary inclusion of either Nader or Payton or Smith depending on the salary to meet the criteria for 175% of his average (6.5 million) or 6.6 million we're allowed to take back for his outgoing salary alone. So apologies, and just let me quickly correct the minor details as needed:
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New Orleans-
Shamet/ Payton/ 1st (lotto protected) for Santoransky expiring(
Payton added).
https://fanspo.com/nba/s/suns/trades/OQeWNFI_FvwDN4/sg-swap-with-incentive2-
Portland-
Shamet/Smith/ 1st (lotto protected) for Covington (
Smith added).
https://fanspo.com/nba/s/suns/trades/ScOUxF2mRj3cAZ/hypothetical-premise-trade3-
Chicago-
Shamet/Payton/1st (lotto protected) for Derrick Jones Jr expiring (
Payton added).
https://fanspo.com/nba/s/suns/trades/YbNFjgLd4YZ-vp/get-the-bulls-replacement-guards-plus-asset4-
Wizards-
Shamet/Nader/1st (lotto protected) for Montrez Harrell expiring (
Nader added).
https://fanspo.com/nba/s/suns/trades/Oy5b9hNfMYtSp9/get-wizards-more-wing-depth-plus-asset-hypothetical5-
Sacramento-
Shamet/Smith/1st (lotto protected) for Tristan Thompson expiring (
Smith added).
https://fanspo.com/nba/s/suns/trades/PgDnnvCN62Bvgt/get-sactown-more-shooting-depth-and-more-front-court-size-plus-asset6-
Atlanta-
Shamet/Payton/1st (lotto protected) for Delon Wright expiring (
Payton added).
https://fanspo.com/nba/s/suns/trades/5bPfqNMJRAq1R4/point-guardsg-plus-asset-swapAlso not sure where the attitude about me not wanting to trade anyone cones from. I post maybe once a week and have never said that.
"Stop trying to trade Shamet." Is this not you? and how you began your response. Furthermore, your perspective has been fairly clear from our prior interaction, in that you think our bench depth is the best in the league based on the stats and on our record, Which I asked you to share?? basically inferring that a change to the roster isn't needed. As for Shamet,you know that he's been terrible, He's had what 47 games now and hasn't been able to even remotely find his shot/production yet. His under performance hinders our bench potency and depth. Look at his career stats
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/shamela01.html#playoffs-seriesand it's clear that he's struggled like this throughout his three years in 5 series of the playoffs ( 39% FG 35% 3pt). Hence why we are his
4th team in three years since being drafted.Is this kind of production/ struggling going to cut it for a contending team trying to win a championship?? He represents an under performing weakness in our roster. Yet you plainly state that you want me to stop trying to trade Shamet. How is that not contradictory to your saying your not adverse to trades or potential roster upgrades?
Signing him to such an unnecessary contract ( double his market value and bidding against ourselves before even sampling his effectiveness in our scheme is pure negligence that's unnecessarily tying up our cap. trading him for an expiring is an upgrade in that it frees up potential cap space next season to more readily accommodate Johnsons' and Aytons' extensions as well as swapping in another viable option that can actually contribute when needed. It's a clear upgrade for our bench through addition by subtraction! If it's genuine what you're saying that you don't have issues with upgrading our roster regardless of record, Then you shouldn't really have any issues with the premise of trading Shamet since he's severely under performing in his role. Of course due to my half asleep, rushed, incomplete trades that I conceded your perspective on being illegal because they weren't complete. And I apologized respectfully, and thusly sought to correct them. I honestly wouldn't have taken issue and responded with an eye roll had you just said that my trades we're illegal citing reason rather than barking out a formal directive in dictatorial and somewhat condescending context for me to stop. It's really not that difficult to simply reply with I disagree with the premise of trading Shamet because............................ Or just saying your trades are incorrect based on salary requirements/incomplete criteria. Civility begets civility, I'll happily show anyone on here the same level of respect that they show me. regardless of opposing perspectives. Having said that, I will of course continue my interest in upgrading from Shamet, etc. until he and our under performing bench sans Johnson and Mcgee, and to a lesser extent recently Biyombo show otherwise. Luckily they have this stretch of games to show me how wrong I may be in assessing their values. Also, let's see how much longer it takes Shamet to get things on track, and reassess whose perspective ends up being more accurate.