Daryl Morey should step down

[Johnny Bball]

Harden wants a ring and playing with Embiid and a great supprting cast gives him that opportunity.

Why in the world would Harden want to deal with Morey again after what it took to get out of Houston and after what he is doing to Simmons. A sign and trade to the sixers seems to be what he's hoping for, but why in the world would Harden want that.

If Morey can't get this done by the deadline, just fire him, because that's incompetent.

LOL! Embiid hasn't proved he can win yet, and Durant sure as hell has and he can just sign in BRK. Why not just stay there. OR go to the GSW, Bucks, Lakers or anywhere else.

[Nate505]

Morey will end up losing his job over all this. You can tell who probably supports work unions etc. from these types of threads. If someone is completely miserable at their workplace, they should be able to move for their mental health.

I sure as hell would break a contract if I was miserable. I'd rather be happy.

Simmons is more than happy to break his contract. He can retire today if he wanted to. He can go overseas and play. He can do nothing but stream on twitch all day if he wanted.

What he can't do is expect to get paid with the contract that he voluntarily signed.

[SelfishPlayer]

Tyrese is looking amazing. Many Kings fans, myself included, would not trade him straight up (pretending contracts aligned). The Hali/multiple first drop today got laughed at in Sac circles.

Tyrese Haliburton looks good for a second year player on a losing team. Falling in love with your young players who aren't showing signs of superstardom then wanting to trade them when they are on max contracts is too popular. There are a bunch of Haliburtons about to flood the NBA in the near future.

Look at his numbers in games without Fox this year.

There are not and have never been a bunch of Haliburton’s about to flood the league.

If he's special, he would produce those numbers regardless. Look at Anfernee Simons numbers when he starts. Both young players on losing teams.

[GOBlazers]

Morey will end up losing his job over all this. You can tell who probably supports work unions etc. from these types of threads. If someone is completely miserable at their workplace, they should be able to move for their mental health.

I sure as hell would break a contract if I was miserable. I'd rather be happy.

Simmons is more than happy to break his contract. He can retire today if he wanted to. He can go overseas and play. He can do nothing but stream on twitch all day if he wanted.

What he can't do is expect to get paid with the contract that he voluntarily signed.

Doesnt the CBA state that unhealthy players still get paid? (Regardless of whether it's a physical or mental health issue). I wouldn't be surprised if Ben Simmons gets back some of the money he was fined earlier in the year.

[MrBigShot]

Morey will end up losing his job over all this. You can tell who probably supports work unions etc. from these types of threads. If someone is completely miserable at their workplace, they should be able to move for their mental health.

I sure as hell would break a contract if I was miserable. I'd rather be happy.

This post is a big middle finger to anyone with a normal job. Don't conflate someone's normal workplace experience with getting paid $180 million to play basketball for a living on one of the most talented rosters in the league.

[dhsilv2]

One of the ironies is the better Philly does in playoffs the worse Morey will look if he doesn’t make a deal. Imagine they get close to the ECF or Finals and fall just short, meanwhile Morey bypassed numerous chances to add a good player or two. It’s a bad look.

They currently have 3% odds to win the championship. If the lost in the second round with an ok player they traded for, that would be a bad look as well, no?

Just pointing out that no deal means Morey needs to be hoping they aren’t great in the playoffs.

Just imagine, ECF loss in 6/7. Left it on the table and that’s worse than pushing in and losing.

Using future results to measure past probability is fine when you use a large sample. It's meaningless looking at a single example. That is the kind of knee jerk reactions we see from children, not professionals. It's what you expect from fans or "fanatics" again, not professionals.

Morey's job here is to look at the odds and use the best information to make the best decision tree and take the one that provides the best weight result.

[TheLand13]

Harden wants a ring and playing with Embiid and a great supprting cast gives him that opportunity.

Why in the world would Harden want to deal with Morey again after what it took to get out of Houston and after what he is doing to Simmons. A sign and trade to the sixers seems to be what he's hoping for, but why in the world would Harden want that.

If Morey can't get this done by the deadline, just fire him, because that's incompetent.

LOL! Embiid hasn't proved he can win yet, and Durant sure as hell has and he can just sign in BRK. Why not just stay there. OR go to the GSW, Bucks, Lakers or anywhere else.

Durant hasn’t proven that at all yet. If going to a 73 win team is all you need to do to prove you can win, then we know Embiid can win. He would’ve won in those exact same circumstances.

[SNPA]

They currently have 3% odds to win the championship. If the lost in the second round with an ok player they traded for, that would be a bad look as well, no?

Just pointing out that no deal means Morey needs to be hoping they aren’t great in the playoffs.

Just imagine, ECF loss in 6/7. Left it on the table and that’s worse than pushing in and losing.

Using future results to measure past probability is fine when you use a large sample. It's meaningless looking at a single example. That is the kind of knee jerk reactions we see from children, not professionals. It's what you expect from fans or "fanatics" again, not professionals.

Morey's job here is to look at the odds and use the best information to make the best decision tree and take the one that provides the best weight result.

He still says out loud in public he thinks Ben could play for them again. Haha.

More talent on the floor wins more games. Future, past, probable or not probable with or without a large data set. Talent, on the floor. A big man going for MVP who was red flagged at the draft and who no one predicts plays a long career…yeah, that dude is under pressure. He has set absurd ideas in fans heads about value. Ben doesn’t get more valuable not playing, Embiid doesn’t get more miles to run by running miles and Harden doesn’t get younger. The decision tree needs to come to a decision.

[dhsilv2]

They currently have 3% odds to win the championship. If the lost in the second round with an ok player they traded for, that would be a bad look as well, no?

Just pointing out that no deal means Morey needs to be hoping they aren’t great in the playoffs.

Just imagine, ECF loss in 6/7. Left it on the table and that’s worse than pushing in and losing.

I think Moreys better off being realistic than imagining unlikely scenarios happening.

What is realistic?

Morey has likely done the following.

1. Looked at history to assess over his time horizon the number of potential players who may become available.
2. Reviewed the time horizon against the team's championship odds over the next 3 years.
3. Overlaid analysis for each individual player in the league and if they are a candidate to leave.
4. Assessed the team's chances of winning each year over the next 3.
5. Built in models for each potential trade piece of about 100 players in the league and the changes to their odds of winning.
6. Set valuations on Simmons for different types of teams (rebuilding, contending, trading depreciated assets, trading for stars)
7. Set valuations of picks in relation to their value in a future trade.
8. Set valuations on trading simmons for sign and trades vs trading other assets and the impact trade availability

From here each set is reviewed by his basketball staff (coaches, scouts, brand, etc), his analytics department, and hybrid analytics coaches (people with high level basketball play AND phd level mathematics). Then run this by ownership, explaining to them the various scenarios and showing them the scenario testing he's done.

Morey isn't some lazy guy going about this on a hunch.

https://fansided.com/2017/10/19/nylon-calculus-championship-odds-short-lived-megastars-corp/

Now, just to continue this with some numbers. The most talked about players right now are Fox and CJ as being people the 76ers should have gone after. These are guys around that 40 on the curve shown in Ben's chart, a bit under a 6% CORP. But they'd be taking minutes from a Maxey, a guy worth about 5%. So they're maybe adding 1% to the teams odds. Meanwhile a Harden might add 10-15%. And thus why having a 1% better chance this coming year doesn't make sense if the math says to risk waiting till the summer.

[dhsilv2]

Just pointing out that no deal means Morey needs to be hoping they aren’t great in the playoffs.

Just imagine, ECF loss in 6/7. Left it on the table and that’s worse than pushing in and losing.

Using future results to measure past probability is fine when you use a large sample. It's meaningless looking at a single example. That is the kind of knee jerk reactions we see from children, not professionals. It's what you expect from fans or "fanatics" again, not professionals.

Morey's job here is to look at the odds and use the best information to make the best decision tree and take the one that provides the best weight result.

He still says out loud in public he thinks Ben could play for them again. Haha.

More talent on the floor wins more games. Future, past, probable or not probable with or without a large data set. Talent, on the floor. A big man going for MVP who was red flagged at the draft and who no one predicts plays a long career…yeah, that dude is under pressure. He has set absurd ideas in fans heads about value. Ben doesn’t get more valuable not playing, Embiid doesn’t get more miles to run by running miles and Harden doesn’t get younger. The decision tree needs to come to a decision.

Morey's also a public figure who has to say the right things to the stupid people of the world.

And yes talent wins and so far the 76ers aren't being offered talent. See my post above this for more detail on what talent actually does.

[Sam Hinkie]

Morey is an idiot. If he's banking his entire plan on James Harden he's even dumber than I thought.

The lack of self awareness from the average RealGM poster is honestly hilarious. Thinking they understand negotiating dynamics better than Morey and implying they are smarter than he is.

[Sam Hinkie]

Just pointing out that no deal means Morey needs to be hoping they aren’t great in the playoffs.

Just imagine, ECF loss in 6/7. Left it on the table and that’s worse than pushing in and losing.

I think Moreys better off being realistic than imagining unlikely scenarios happening.

What is realistic?

Morey has likely done the following.

This was too well written for RealGM. Please, we'd like less sound analysis and more hot takes.

[SpreeChokeJob]

Morey is an idiot. If he's banking his entire plan on James Harden he's even dumber than I thought.

The lack of self awareness from the average RealGM poster is honestly hilarious. Thinking they understand negotiating dynamics better than Morey and implying they are smarter than he is.

It’s the same line of thinking that Lebron used to get Westbrook and the retirees.

Also the delusion of Michael Jordan that he make better decisions than Jerry Krause. If MJ didn’t have Krause, there would have never been 6-0 and he wouldn’t have been recognized as the GOAT.

[sacking123]

I'm not a fan of Ben at all, or the way he has played this, but there are some jelly people in this thread. Wow.

The fact is there have been plenty of players that have asked out and demanded a trade. And you know what, it's got done, simple as that. Who cares how many years the player has left? Who made such rule that they need X amount of years left? Everyone talking about he shouldn't have signed the contract, well if he didn't, the 6ers would have matched, so we're in the same position, just a small difference contract wise. There have also been teams sit the player at home, fully healthy, while they work on a trade. Sure as hell didn't see the uproar about that against the team.
No one has said Morey HAS to trade Ben at all (even though whether we like it or not teams SHOULD trade the player as soon as reasonably possible), but take the emotion out of it people, Morey is sitting on an asset that has lost a lot of value. Mainly the fault of the asset itself, but also from other factors as well (ie Morey/Doc/Joel).

Like it or not, that is where Morey has to answer to everything 6ers, owners, front office staff, management teams, coaching staff, players, fans. Everyone might want to tell themselves it's okay waiting, but is it?
IMO he is playing a game of Russian roulette and IMO he would have been able to get as good a deal prior to the season as he is going to get, if the 6ers handled this correctly.

[Pointgod]

Harden wants a ring and playing with Embiid and a great supprting cast gives him that opportunity.

Why in the world would Harden want to deal with Morey again after what it took to get out of Houston and after what he is doing to Simmons. A sign and trade to the sixers seems to be what he's hoping for, but why in the world would Harden want that.

If Morey can't get this done by the deadline, just fire him, because that's incompetent.

LOL! Embiid hasn't proved he can win yet, and Durant sure as hell has and he can just sign in BRK. Why not just stay there. OR go to the GSW, Bucks, Lakers or anywhere else.[/quote]

Because Morey really really really wants him to come to the Sixers to prevent him from looking like a complete idiot botching the whole Simmons situation.

[kuclas]

Harden wants a ring and playing with Embiid and a great supprting cast gives him that opportunity.

Why in the world would Harden want to deal with Morey again after what it took to get out of Houston and after what he is doing to Simmons. A sign and trade to the sixers seems to be what he's hoping for, but why in the world would Harden want that.

If Morey can't get this done by the deadline, just fire him, because that's incompetent.

LOL! Embiid hasn't proved he can win yet, and Durant sure as hell has and he can just sign in BRK. Why not just stay there. OR go to the GSW, Bucks, Lakers or anywhere else.

Durant hasn’t proven he can win without another top 5 nba player (curry) plus another top 25 nba player (Klay)

KD lost in 2nd round last season when Kyrie went down.

It’s hard to be a one man team in the nba. KD is great. Make no doubt about it. But KD didn’t win anything when he was main alpha player For okc.

[Murray_17]

Why in the world would Harden want to deal with Morey again after what it took to get out of Houston and after what he is doing to Simmons. A sign and trade to the sixers seems to be what he's hoping for, but why in the world would Harden want that.

If Morey can't get this done by the deadline, just fire him, because that's incompetent.

Because Morey was already gone when Harden demanded to be traded?

If Morey can get rid of Harris and Simmons or straight up sign & trade for Simmons, is a two race between them and the Nets, no other contender is gonna have cap to do it.

The other teams you talked about have no option to sign him, GSW for example would need to get rid of one of Klay, Dray or Steph, the Lakers would need to get rid of one of their max contracts aswell. This is specially demanding because Harden max next season is the biggest contract in history if he opts out.

[kio80]

If Ben Simmons comes back forgetting how to shoot a basketball because he’s been kept away from playing the game he loves the most for so long, it’s all Morey’s fault


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[Paradise]

Why in the world would Harden want to deal with Morey again after what it took to get out of Houston and after what he is doing to Simmons. A sign and trade to the sixers seems to be what he's hoping for, but why in the world would Harden want that.

If Morey can't get this done by the deadline, just fire him, because that's incompetent.

Because Morey was already gone when Harden demanded to be traded?

If Morey can get rid of Harris and Simmons or straight up sign & trade for Simmons, is a two race between them and the Nets, no other contender is gonna have cap to do it.

The other teams you talked about have no option to sign him, GSW for example would need to get rid of one of Klay, Dray or Steph, the Lakers would need to get rid of one of their max contracts aswell. This is specially demanding because Harden max next season is the biggest contract in history if he opts out.

You think the Nets with Nash, Tsai, Marks, KD with all the pull, would sign off on a S&T for Simmons?

You think Harden is turning down the biggest salary in NBA history, KD and NYC for Philadelphia...a team we beat easily at full strength?

LOL

[Bum Adebayo]

I'm having a slightly confusing time understanding why the same Sixer fans that insist we recognize Embiid is a top-7 (or better) player is also not good enough to contend with a solid and balanced supporting cast?

Giannis just won a title with his best teammate being a career 17ppg guy, surely it's worth taking a stab at it?

Easy, zero shot creators. This is not about how much better Giannis is and all that, but Giannis had a shot creator alongside him, this helps tremendously and the closest player Embiid has had that resembles is Butler, who also wasn't the perfect fit because of not that good 3pt shooting and was here only for like half a season or less, no surprise we were very close to beat the champions.
Our supporting cast is anything but balanced, Harris may be just that, "solid", but the fit is bad, and who is our balanced PG exactly?