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F N 11 wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
Wtf is going on.
mpharris36 wrote:F N 11 wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
Wtf is going on.
my guess they probably know Patrick Graham is leaving and want to look for a DC...If we know Schoen/Daboll is a package deal...not that hard to get a head start on coordinator hires before they get scooped up.
If Dan Quinn leaves...maybe Whitt would get promoted to DC.
When Brian Daboll arrives for his second interview for the Giants on Tuesday, he will do so as the man to beat.
The 42-year-old Bills offensive coordinator is “clearly the favorite” to become the next Giants head coach, according to someone familiar with the process. He has been the favorite to many all along, given his relationship with new Giants GM Joe Schoen and the fact that Daboll has other supporters inside the organization, too.
TwitterFingers wrote:
I don’t know who wrote the tweet, but Daboll is incredibly overrated. The key to his success can be summed up by two words: Josh Allen
mpharris36 wrote:TwitterFingers wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
who is that guy?
I don’t know who wrote the tweet, but Daboll is incredibly overrated. The key to his success can be summed up by two words: Josh Allen
I mean that can be said about any OC with a good QB. Josh Allen struggled his first two years and came into the NFL extremely raw. A guy that would complete close to 50% of his passes now completes 65-70% of his passes. If you think that is simply internal development of just Allen and that Daboll who has been with him the entire way has had no impact, I think you are severely down playing his impact.
Does he have flaws sure. Josh Allen is a great talent but he isn't gameplanning by hismelf for these teams. To not punt the entire game vs a BB led defense in the playoff game...yeah I'm a little impressed.
Is Ken Dorsey the man behind Josh Allen’s emergence, not Brian Daboll?
Buffalo Bills QB Josh Allen took a big step from Year Two to Year Three, and offensive coordinator Brian Daboll received a ton of credit. Quarterbacks coach Ken Dorsey also received credit, but now at least one person in NFL circles wants to give more to Dorsey than Daboll.
“A league source believes the Bills quarterback coach deserves more credit than offensive coordinator Brian Daboll for quarterback Josh Allen’s improvement in the past two seasons,” writes Safid Deen of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel,
Bills QB coach Ken Dorsey guiding the most talented unit in the league
Dorsey stays humble as he gets praise for Allen's success, interview requests
ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. (WROC) — A list of the people behind Josh Allen’s success will have quarterbacks coach Ken Dorsey right at the top. But if you ask him to try and accept any credit, he’ll just say how thankful he is the Bills gave him a chance.
TerrenceClarke wrote:mpharris36 wrote:TwitterFingers wrote:
I don’t know who wrote the tweet, but Daboll is incredibly overrated. The key to his success can be summed up by two words: Josh Allen
I mean that can be said about any OC with a good QB. Josh Allen struggled his first two years and came into the NFL extremely raw. A guy that would complete close to 50% of his passes now completes 65-70% of his passes. If you think that is simply internal development of just Allen and that Daboll who has been with him the entire way has had no impact, I think you are severely down playing his impact.
Does he have flaws sure. Josh Allen is a great talent but he isn't gameplanning by hismelf for these teams. To not punt the entire game vs a BB led defense in the playoff game...yeah I'm a little impressed.
He has had much less impact than Ken Dorsey imo like I said earlier. You honestly think an OC who never played QB has more impact than a QB teaching another QB. So yes the success being placed on Daboll for Josh Allen is highly exaggerated. The reality is without Josh Allen Daboll ALWAYS was buns in the NFL. I highly doubt Daboll was the one who improved his Accuracy. It was Dorsey.Is Ken Dorsey the man behind Josh Allen’s emergence, not Brian Daboll?Buffalo Bills QB Josh Allen took a big step from Year Two to Year Three, and offensive coordinator Brian Daboll received a ton of credit. Quarterbacks coach Ken Dorsey also received credit, but now at least one person in NFL circles wants to give more to Dorsey than Daboll.
“A league source believes the Bills quarterback coach deserves more credit than offensive coordinator Brian Daboll for quarterback Josh Allen’s improvement in the past two seasons,” writes Safid Deen of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel,Bills QB coach Ken Dorsey guiding the most talented unit in the league
Dorsey stays humble as he gets praise for Allen's success, interview requestsORCHARD PARK, N.Y. (WROC) — A list of the people behind Josh Allen’s success will have quarterbacks coach Ken Dorsey right at the top. But if you ask him to try and accept any credit, he’ll just say how thankful he is the Bills gave him a chance.
mpharris36 wrote:TerrenceClarke wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
I mean that can be said about any OC with a good QB. Josh Allen struggled his first two years and came into the NFL extremely raw. A guy that would complete close to 50% of his passes now completes 65-70% of his passes. If you think that is simply internal development of just Allen and that Daboll who has been with him the entire way has had no impact, I think you are severely down playing his impact.
Does he have flaws sure. Josh Allen is a great talent but he isn't gameplanning by hismelf for these teams. To not punt the entire game vs a BB led defense in the playoff game...yeah I'm a little impressed.
He has had much less impact than Ken Dorsey imo like I said earlier. You honestly think an OC who never played QB has more impact than a QB teaching another QB. So yes the success being placed on Daboll for Josh Allen is highly exaggerated. The reality is without Josh Allen Daboll ALWAYS was buns in the NFL. I highly doubt Daboll was the one who improved his Accuracy. It was Dorsey.Is Ken Dorsey the man behind Josh Allen’s emergence, not Brian Daboll?Buffalo Bills QB Josh Allen took a big step from Year Two to Year Three, and offensive coordinator Brian Daboll received a ton of credit. Quarterbacks coach Ken Dorsey also received credit, but now at least one person in NFL circles wants to give more to Dorsey than Daboll.
“A league source believes the Bills quarterback coach deserves more credit than offensive coordinator Brian Daboll for quarterback Josh Allen’s improvement in the past two seasons,” writes Safid Deen of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel,Bills QB coach Ken Dorsey guiding the most talented unit in the league
Dorsey stays humble as he gets praise for Allen's success, interview requestsORCHARD PARK, N.Y. (WROC) — A list of the people behind Josh Allen’s success will have quarterbacks coach Ken Dorsey right at the top. But if you ask him to try and accept any credit, he’ll just say how thankful he is the Bills gave him a chance.
Dorsey does get credit too but there are a lot of factors. To say who deserves the most credit is pure speculation.
Allen struggled his rookie year got better his 2nd year. You really started to see an improvement in the 2nd half of his 2nd season.
He finished the season throwing 15 TD's to 2 INT's. I'm sure a few people impacted him...but he was under solid trajectory that any young QB. Struggle 1st year...make improvements year 2....jump in year 3.
I'm not saying Daboll is the sole reason but again to say he deserves no credit seems a little crazy to me also.
TerrenceClarke wrote:mpharris36 wrote:TerrenceClarke wrote:
He has had much less impact than Ken Dorsey imo like I said earlier. You honestly think an OC who never played QB has more impact than a QB teaching another QB. So yes the success being placed on Daboll for Josh Allen is highly exaggerated. The reality is without Josh Allen Daboll ALWAYS was buns in the NFL. I highly doubt Daboll was the one who improved his Accuracy. It was Dorsey.
Dorsey does get credit too but there are a lot of factors. To say who deserves the most credit is pure speculation.
Allen struggled his rookie year got better his 2nd year. You really started to see an improvement in the 2nd half of his 2nd season.
He finished the season throwing 15 TD's to 2 INT's. I'm sure a few people impacted him...but he was under solid trajectory that any young QB. Struggle 1st year...make improvements year 2....jump in year 3.
I'm not saying Daboll is the sole reason but again to say he deserves no credit seems a little crazy to me also.
sure He can get some credit, but the point remains who is Daboll without Allen? we have evidence that he is not much. Like I said before, many star OCs get busy without Generational QBs or even star ones, they make the most of what they have and the offense still clicks. We have no evidence of that with Daboll.
Think about this. A Coach who led Miami to back to back winning seasons since 2002-2003 and the whole NFL world was shocked that he was fired. A coach who has PROVEN he can lead a football team.... Has to beat out the "lock" the "frontrunner" OC who we have no evidence can do what Flores did. How does that work?
IF this process was truly genuine, it should be the OTHER WAY around. This is what ticks me off the most.
People are worried about Flores Offense? Like I said before. Just Hire KEN DORSEY away from the Bills for OC. Thats a clear promotion for him. Its that simple.
This is nepotism as its best if we being honest here based on ALL reports.
mpharris36 wrote:TerrenceClarke wrote:mpharris36 wrote:
Dorsey does get credit too but there are a lot of factors. To say who deserves the most credit is pure speculation.
Allen struggled his rookie year got better his 2nd year. You really started to see an improvement in the 2nd half of his 2nd season.
He finished the season throwing 15 TD's to 2 INT's. I'm sure a few people impacted him...but he was under solid trajectory that any young QB. Struggle 1st year...make improvements year 2....jump in year 3.
I'm not saying Daboll is the sole reason but again to say he deserves no credit seems a little crazy to me also.
sure He can get some credit, but the point remains who is Daboll without Allen? we have evidence that he is not much. Like I said before, many star OCs get busy without Generational QBs or even star ones, they make the most of what they have and the offense still clicks. We have no evidence of that with Daboll.
Think about this. A Coach who led Miami to back to back winning seasons since 2002-2003 and the whole NFL world was shocked that he was fired. A coach who has PROVEN he can lead a football team.... Has to beat out the "lock" the "frontrunner" OC who we have no evidence can do what Flores did. How does that work?
IF this process was truly genuine, it should be the OTHER WAY around. This is what ticks me off the most.
People are worried about Flores Offense? Like I said before. Just Hire KEN DORSEY away from the Bills for OC. Thats a clear promotion for him. Its that simple.
This is nepotism as its best if we being honest here based on ALL reports.
we will probably find out soon.
Do you have his offensive ranks when he was an OC for all those years? Tough to think if he was that bad of a coordinator he would have kept getting OC job throughout the league and at the most prestigious college.
Do you have his offensive rankings from his years? Sorry to lazy too look that up right now but you referenced we have evidence that he is not much. Are there offensive rankings for those teams. And then if there are we need to dive deep into those numbers. What kind of personnel did he have..ect?
TerrenceClarke wrote:mpharris36 wrote:TerrenceClarke wrote:
sure He can get some credit, but the point remains who is Daboll without Allen? we have evidence that he is not much. Like I said before, many star OCs get busy without Generational QBs or even star ones, they make the most of what they have and the offense still clicks. We have no evidence of that with Daboll.
Think about this. A Coach who led Miami to back to back winning seasons since 2002-2003 and the whole NFL world was shocked that he was fired. A coach who has PROVEN he can lead a football team.... Has to beat out the "lock" the "frontrunner" OC who we have no evidence can do what Flores did. How does that work?
IF this process was truly genuine, it should be the OTHER WAY around. This is what ticks me off the most.
People are worried about Flores Offense? Like I said before. Just Hire KEN DORSEY away from the Bills for OC. Thats a clear promotion for him. Its that simple.
This is nepotism as its best if we being honest here based on ALL reports.
we will probably find out soon.
Do you have his offensive ranks when he was an OC for all those years? Tough to think if he was that bad of a coordinator he would have kept getting OC job throughout the league and at the most prestigious college.
Do you have his offensive rankings from his years? Sorry to lazy too look that up right now but you referenced we have evidence that he is not much. Are there offensive rankings for those teams. And then if there are we need to dive deep into those numbers. What kind of personnel did he have..ect?
it was dead last in 2009 with Browns as OC
and it was the 4th worst offense in 2010 with the browns as OC.
When he was the OC in Miami 2011 it was 22
He was fired and the next year in KC when he was the OC it was 24th
IJS.
TerrenceClarke wrote:I also want to point out that the Offense in Alabama in 2017 was ranked 15 the year daboll was thereas OC.
The telling stat is... that the year before he was there it was 15th. The year after he left it was 15th.
so he makes really no change there either....
So with the evidence... Daboll was not considered a "genius" till he got to coach a once in a life time Player.
He is directly tied to Allen in ALL of his success as a play caller. that's VERY telling on his Natural ability to call plays. I said before, this dude is like Mike Mcarthy without Farve and Rodgers... nothing special at all.
He is a highly overrated play caller and people dont want to admit it.
