Paul George probably out for the season.

[ryguy613]

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Jake Fischer is really terrible...

Wait and Farbod is trust worthy? It's literally his JOB to spin everything about the Clippers in the most positive light possible. Just because he wasnt re-evaluated yet doesnt mean whats being reported is incorrect. The original reporting on the PG injury was that if rest didnt heal the injury he was going to need (likely) season ending surgery. Theres no reason to suspect that at that time the team was more optimistic than pessimistic. People like Farbod literally did this exact same spin job about Kawhi during the playoffs last year. People kept reporting that it was suspected to be an ACL injury, and Farbod (and other Clipper media members) kept running interference for Ballmer, assuring that those rumors were unsubstantiated when he likely knew full well it was true.

[ryguy613]

We're just going about trades the Laker "Do it Mitch" way. You guys can do it but we can't

-Just have to find a proper timeline on if Kawhi and/or PG are coming back or not. OKC has our pick.. beautiful, congratulations. We come back with a healthy Kawhi and PG next season.. also beautiful. Also I see us still making the postseason without the two. Won't be a Finals run but hey it happens. Lets keep developing the youth just maybe somebody gives up a first rounder for Morris Sr. Both stars out sucks but we'll be alright

I mean lakers get called crazy for talking about guys like Jeremy Grant... youre talking about picking up Ben Simmons. There is a sizable gap between those two players. The Clippers have pieces to get younger if they want to. Get some different talent on the team. But getting an elite level player in his early 20's? That seems unlikely. Especially, like I said, since the Sixers have already turned down other teams offering lower all star level players.

Simmons is neither elite nor in his early 20's.

He's 25 so if you wanna call that mid 20's instead fine. the rest of what youre saying, I cant help you.

[TheNewEra]

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Jake Fischer is really terrible...

Wait and Farbod is trust worthy? It's literally his JOB to spin everything about the Clippers in the most positive light possible. Just because he wasnt re-evaluated yet doesnt mean whats being reported is incorrect. The original reporting on the PG injury was that if rest didnt heal the injury he was going to need (likely) season ending surgery. Theres no reason to suspect that at that time the team was more optimistic than pessimistic. People like Farbod literally did this exact same spin job about Kawhi during the playoffs last year. People kept reporting that it was suspected to be an ACL injury, and Farbod (and other Clipper media members) kept running interference for Ballmer, assuring that those rumors were unsubstantiated when he likely knew full well it was true.

No I’m very sure he’s just going by what’s he heard and has been often accurate. Things can change so it’s not real way to commit to what can happen with George and Leonard. Remember Kawhi didn’t have a full tear of his ACL so there was a glimmer of hope if he didn’t need surgery he could come back if the team made a run in the post season. When Kawhi decided to have the surgery they were going to tear the ACL to fix anyway so here we are now.

Farbod tends to be the most critical of the clippers bad habits if you follow him during games. Team can be over reliant on shooting 3s and calls them out for lazy team rebounding

[OkcSinceSGA]

From Clippers The Athletic beat writer:

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In typical Clippers fashion they will likely keep extending this, delay surgery too long (like they’ve done with many players), before announcing he’s out for the season.

[og15]

From Clippers The Athletic beat writer:

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In typical Clippers fashion they will likely keep extending this, delay surgery too long (like they’ve done with many players), before announcing he’s out for the season.

Surgery is in the end always a players decision. If players are given the option of wait and see or get surgery, many will take wait and see vs having surgery. Of course the presentation can tip them on way or another, but surgery is not always just the thing to do.

[OkcSinceSGA]

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In typical Clippers fashion they will likely keep extending this, delay surgery too long (like they’ve done with many players), before announcing he’s out for the season.

Surgery is in the end always a players decision. If players are given the option of wait and see or get surgery, many will take wait and see vs having surgery. Of course the presentation can tip them on way or another, but surgery is not always just the thing to do.

The players seek out the trainers obviously. They aren’t making decisions themselves. The Clippers 100% deserve some blame. Blake Griffin said they advised the wrong thing, which set him back. They have a pattern.

[hoosierdaddy34]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265422/Paul-George-Could-Be-Out-For-Remainder-Of-Season

What some people already expected: after a period of time where the Clippers rested George in hope of avoiding surgery, it now looks like he ll be out for the season.

Where do the Clips go from here?

I heard grumbling of this last week.

Safe to say that if PG is out then no way Kawhi will come back this year. So OKC about to watch their pick get better and better.

[Dadouv47]

Feel like this has more to do with Kawhi than PG13. Teams in the 11-13 range are way to bad for the Clippers to miss the Play in tournament. Problem is that PG13 won't play at 100% this season (already saw how bad he was with elbow issues) so it only makes sense to play him this season if Kawhi is expected to be at full strenght.

[mpoo_sin]

You still lack any justification for use of the word 'probable,' since you have no idea of the likelihood of PG getting surgery.

Oh, but i do have an idea! Look, he tried to play through it, most certainly because he was told that surgery will cost him the rest of the season. He had to sit out because of the elbow, then tried to play with it again and then he was shut down with hope that rest will miraculously repair or heal the injury.
I tried to find pro-athletes who didn t do the surgery after that particular injury. I was not successful. My idea is that the Clippers know pretty well that surgery is probably not avoidable but they do not want to compromise their position before the trade deadline. That s why they throw smoke screens, which is understandable.

If any of this is the case then why hasn't he had surgery yet? Surely, he'd want to come back as soon as possible and it's been a month, so...

You don't know any of this; it's more conjecture to justify your previous conjecture.

Per Brian Windhorst:
"Paul George (right elbow) could opt to undergo surgery, which could sideline him for the remainder of the season.

It's not a done deal, but it's very possible that the Clippers play for next season with both PG and Kawhi Leonard, who hasn't played yet this season."

Seems like an expected development, wouldn t you agree, Goner?

Sad for the Clippers though. Their title-window is almost non-existent, now.

[nshidbaby]

Wow. He should just get the surgery.

[turnaroundJ]

From being the 2020 favorites to this. The Clippers truly are cursed.

[Goner]

Oh, but i do have an idea! Look, he tried to play through it, most certainly because he was told that surgery will cost him the rest of the season. He had to sit out because of the elbow, then tried to play with it again and then he was shut down with hope that rest will miraculously repair or heal the injury.
I tried to find pro-athletes who didn t do the surgery after that particular injury. I was not successful. My idea is that the Clippers know pretty well that surgery is probably not avoidable but they do not want to compromise their position before the trade deadline. That s why they throw smoke screens, which is understandable.

If any of this is the case then why hasn't he had surgery yet? Surely, he'd want to come back as soon as possible and it's been a month, so...

You don't know any of this; it's more conjecture to justify your previous conjecture.

Per Brian Windhorst:
"Paul George (right elbow) could opt to undergo surgery, which could sideline him for the remainder of the season.

It's not a done deal, but it's very possible that the Clippers play for next season with both PG and Kawhi Leonard, who hasn't played yet this season."

Seems like an expected development, wouldn t you agree, Goner?

Sad for the Clippers though. Their title-window is almost non-existent, now.

No, I would not agree, mpoo. The logical operators have not changed, PG could opt for surgery, which is where we've been for a month, now. If that is the case, then yes, but we still do not know and it still raises the question that if PG needs surgery with overwhelming likelihood, then why hasn't he done so and gotten the recovery time rolling yet?

[cool007]

I know Kawhi may or may not come back this year (even if he does, he won't be as good) but PG13 returning would have been HUGE for clippers and this is the year they would have been better than Lakers as there is a chance that if Lakers are in play-in, they could miss the playoffs.

Anyway, tough news for PG13 and Clippers. I wish him the best and make a wise decision for his long-term health.

[JujitsuFlip]

If any of this is the case then why hasn't he had surgery yet? Surely, he'd want to come back as soon as possible and it's been a month, so...

You don't know any of this; it's more conjecture to justify your previous conjecture.

Per Brian Windhorst:
"Paul George (right elbow) could opt to undergo surgery, which could sideline him for the remainder of the season.

It's not a done deal, but it's very possible that the Clippers play for next season with both PG and Kawhi Leonard, who hasn't played yet this season."

Seems like an expected development, wouldn t you agree, Goner?

Sad for the Clippers though. Their title-window is almost non-existent, now.

No, I would not agree, mpoo. The logical operators have not changed, PG could opt for surgery, which is where we've been for a month, now. If that is the case, then yes, but we still do not know and it still raises the question that if PG needs surgery with overwhelming likelihood, then why hasn't he done so and gotten the recovery time rolling yet?

Here's an interesting timeline for ya.

Shohei Ohtani signed with the Angels on December 8th 2017, he had a stem cell injection on December 13th 2017 in his right elbow for a grade 1 UCL sprain.

On June 8th 2018 Shohei Ohtani was placed on the DL with a grade 2 UCL sprain in his right elbow; he received another stem cell injection.

On July 2nd 2018 he was activated purely as a hitter.

On September 2nd 2018 Shohei Ohtani starts his first game as a pitcher in almost three months and only pitches 2.1 innings. The very next day an MRI revealed new damage to his right UCL.

After playing 24 more games as strictly a batter, Shohei Ohtani underwent successful UCL reconstruction surgery on October 1st 2018.

Moral of the story, the only way to repair an UCL is with Tommy John surgery.

[SkyBill40]

As a Suns fan, this pleases me; however, as a basketball fan, this is disappointing. He's a great competitor and the Clippers are not the same without him. The bottom line here is he will most likely need surgery and that's going to cost him the rest of the season. The only thing that should matter at this point is making sure he's ready to go and at full strength for next season. Same goes for Leonard.

[Goner]

Here's an interesting timeline for ya.

Shohei Ohtani signed with the Angels on December 8th 2017, he had a stem cell injection on December 13th 2017 in his right elbow for a grade 1 UCL sprain.

On June 8th 2018 Shohei Ohtani was placed on the DL with a grade 2 UCL sprain in his right elbow; he received another stem cell injection.

On July 2nd 2018 he was activated purely as a hitter.

On September 2nd 2018 Shohei Ohtani starts his first game as a pitcher in almost three months and only pitches 2.1 innings. The very next day an MRI revealed new damage to his right UCL.

After playing 24 more games as strictly a batter, Shohei Ohtani underwent successful UCL reconstruction surgery on October 1st 2018.

Moral of the story, the only way to repair an UCL is with Tommy John surgery.

I appreciate the example, but the logic does not follow. You are arguing that because nonsurgical options did not work in this particular case that, therefore, nonsurgical options will not work in any case. That conclusion is completely unfounded. If it is the case, then clearly you know something that the team doctors of the Angels and Clippers, as well as the medical community writ large, do not, because if surgery was necessary following such an injury then both of the teams needlessly postponed the inevitable.

[baldur]

Given the brutality of clippers' remaining schedule, okc will enjoy a top 7-8 draft pick.

[JujitsuFlip]

Here's an interesting timeline for ya.

Shohei Ohtani signed with the Angels on December 8th 2017, he had a stem cell injection on December 13th 2017 in his right elbow for a grade 1 UCL sprain.

On June 8th 2018 Shohei Ohtani was placed on the DL with a grade 2 UCL sprain in his right elbow; he received another stem cell injection.

On July 2nd 2018 he was activated purely as a hitter.

On September 2nd 2018 Shohei Ohtani starts his first game as a pitcher in almost three months and only pitches 2.1 innings. The very next day an MRI revealed new damage to his right UCL.

After playing 24 more games as strictly a batter, Shohei Ohtani underwent successful UCL reconstruction surgery on October 1st 2018.

Moral of the story, the only way to repair an UCL is with Tommy John surgery.

I appreciate the example, but the logic does not follow. You are arguing that because nonsurgical options did not work in this particular case that, therefore, nonsurgical options will not work in any case. That conclusion is completely unfounded. If it is the case, then clearly you know something that the team doctors of the Angels and Clippers, as well as the medical community writ large, do not, because if surgery was necessary following such an injury then both of the teams needlessly postponed the inevitable.

They don't work lol I'll repeat, the only way to repair an UCL is with Tommy John surgery.

You find me an example where someone who required Tommy John surgery was able to avoid UCL reconstruction surgery indefinitely with other means and measures to continue their career, then I'll listen.

Until then, this is nothing more than someone putting their hands over their eyes to avoid the scary part of the movie.

[Goner]

Here's an interesting timeline for ya.

Shohei Ohtani signed with the Angels on December 8th 2017, he had a stem cell injection on December 13th 2017 in his right elbow for a grade 1 UCL sprain.

On June 8th 2018 Shohei Ohtani was placed on the DL with a grade 2 UCL sprain in his right elbow; he received another stem cell injection.

On July 2nd 2018 he was activated purely as a hitter.

On September 2nd 2018 Shohei Ohtani starts his first game as a pitcher in almost three months and only pitches 2.1 innings. The very next day an MRI revealed new damage to his right UCL.

After playing 24 more games as strictly a batter, Shohei Ohtani underwent successful UCL reconstruction surgery on October 1st 2018.

Moral of the story, the only way to repair an UCL is with Tommy John surgery.

I appreciate the example, but the logic does not follow. You are arguing that because nonsurgical options did not work in this particular case that, therefore, nonsurgical options will not work in any case. That conclusion is completely unfounded. If it is the case, then clearly you know something that the team doctors of the Angels and Clippers, as well as the medical community writ large, do not, because if surgery was necessary following such an injury then both of the teams needlessly postponed the inevitable.

They don't work lol I'll repeat, the only way to repair an UCL is with Tommy John surgery.

You find me an example where someone who required Tommy John surgery was able to avoid UCL reconstruction surgery indefinitely with other means and measures to continue their career, then I'll listen.

Until then, this is nothing more than someone putting their hands over their eyes to avoid the scary part of the movie.

Again, then either you've somehow found a gap in the medical literature and should submit your research for peer review or the Clippers (and Angels, per your example) are needlessly delaying the inevitable since it is known that all injuries involving the UCL invariably require surgery to heal. It has to be either one or the other: pick one.

[Roscoe Sheed]

Here's an interesting timeline for ya.

Shohei Ohtani signed with the Angels on December 8th 2017, he had a stem cell injection on December 13th 2017 in his right elbow for a grade 1 UCL sprain.

On June 8th 2018 Shohei Ohtani was placed on the DL with a grade 2 UCL sprain in his right elbow; he received another stem cell injection.

On July 2nd 2018 he was activated purely as a hitter.

On September 2nd 2018 Shohei Ohtani starts his first game as a pitcher in almost three months and only pitches 2.1 innings. The very next day an MRI revealed new damage to his right UCL.

After playing 24 more games as strictly a batter, Shohei Ohtani underwent successful UCL reconstruction surgery on October 1st 2018.

Moral of the story, the only way to repair an UCL is with Tommy John surgery.

I appreciate the example, but the logic does not follow. You are arguing that because nonsurgical options did not work in this particular case that, therefore, nonsurgical options will not work in any case. That conclusion is completely unfounded. If it is the case, then clearly you know something that the team doctors of the Angels and Clippers, as well as the medical community writ large, do not, because if surgery was necessary following such an injury then both of the teams needlessly postponed the inevitable.

They don't work lol I'll repeat, the only way to repair an UCL is with Tommy John surgery.

You find me an example where someone who required Tommy John surgery was able to avoid UCL reconstruction surgery indefinitely with other means and measures to continue their career, then I'll listen.

Until then, this is nothing more than someone putting their hands over their eyes to avoid the scary part of the movie.

I think that is true mostly for baseball players, as apparently some NBA players have recovered without surgery.

If what you are saying is true, it makes no sense for PG not to have already had the surgery in order for him to recover in time for the start of next season