Political Roundtable Part XXX

[Wizardspride]

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[Zonkerbl]

Anyway if all you're saying is the vaccines don't work on omicron you're not crazy. That's what everybody suspects.

What's crazy is to say "the vaccine doesn't work on omicron so you shouldn't take it." That's loony tunes.

It's not crazy to say "taking the vaccine makes you feel sick." Duh. "The vaccine has side effects." No kidding.

It's crazy to say "taking the vaccine makes you worse off" That's crazy times. Maybe for teenage men. But that doesn't mean teenage men shouldn't be subject to a mandate - it may still make economic sense for teenage men to be slightly worse off if it prevents the virus' spread to other vulnerable people. Take one for the team guys. It's not like you don't have any elderly relatives.

Ranting and raving about how you should not trust the government but should trust the little green men in the intertubes - that's crazy talk. Saying that no one should have to take the vaccine because only sick people die - that's *insane.* Any time you hear yourself say that, punch yourself in the face. My mother is eighty years old and has all the comorbidities. Screw you and your "we should just let your mom die because she was on death's door anyway." I mean seriously, go screw yourself, you monster. My mom didn't survive cancer 3 times to be murdered by some ignorant right wing gremlin.

[Pointgod]

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Nate? Dat2U? TGW? Benjamin? Other alt accounts that only post to criticize Democrats and the “left”? Any concerns here with authoritarianism and free speech here? Any comments or anything to say?

[Pointgod]

Anyway if all you're saying is the vaccines don't work on omicron you're not crazy. That's what everybody suspects.

What's crazy is to say "the vaccine doesn't work on omicron so you shouldn't take it." That's loony tunes.

It's not crazy to say "taking the vaccine makes you feel sick." Duh. "The vaccine has side effects." No kidding.

It's crazy to say "taking the vaccine makes you worse off" That's crazy times. Maybe for teenage men. But that doesn't mean teenage men shouldn't be subject to a mandate - it may still make economic sense for teenage men to be slightly worse off if it prevents the virus' spread to other vulnerable people. Take one for the team guys. It's not like you don't have any elderly relatives.

Ranting and raving about how you should not trust the government but should trust the little green men in the intertubes - that's crazy talk. Saying that no one should have to take the vaccine because only sick people die - that's *insane.* Any time you hear yourself say that, punch yourself in the face. My mother is eighty years old and has all the comorbidities. Screw you and your "we should just let your mom die because she was on death's door anyway." I mean seriously, go screw yourself, you monster. My mom didn't survive cancer 3 times to be murdered by some ignorant right wing gremlin.

When people say the last part is especially the most disgusting thing that the pandemic has exposed about people. Think about it, all the concern for people’s well being and livelihood goes out the window when it comes to those who especially at risk from COVID. The thing is that there’s a solution that protects people, businesses, children etc.

Vaccines, masks, rapid testing and being a responsible person. It’s pretty simple. And anyone who’s concerned at getting vaccinated shouldn’t be talking to anyone other than their doctor about the decision. There’s just so much blatant misinformation and just plain wrong assumptions being made regarding COVID, people need to get off the internet and social media.

[pancakes3]

"i'm ok with x% of the population dying" is the natural conclusion of all the conversations I've had with my real-life antivaxx friends.

just eat more veggies, and if you're old or immunocompromised, then that's just darwinism. it's pretty disheartening. and nobody, not in real life or internet, ever wants to meaningfully address measles/mumps/rubella vaccine mandates that are already in place.

and to the argument that "calling us crazy isn't helping" well that goes back to my post last week about politicization of non-political issues (and many posts before that, mainly against SD20). there are objective truths in our world, and there are political topics. you can argue, politically, about actually disputed topics where there are legitimate arguments on both sides. topics like drug policy, foreign policy, SCOTUS reform, education reform, police reform, social media/tech regulation, government spending, welfare/UBI, postal banking, NAFTA/TPP, prison reform, housing reform, etc. yeah talk away.

But where there is expert consensus, and no legitimate counterargument? And you take the "wrong" side? And you treat these topics (global warming, vaccines, gender/race equality, voting rights, wealth distribution/wage gap) as political "yeah that's just your opinion and i'm entitled to my opinion too" arguments? yeah, it's freaking crazy. not being able to discern rational arguments from irrational arguments is crazy. thinking the answer to school shootings is to arm teachers instead of gun restrictions is crazy. irrationally defending the 2nd amendment without stopping to think whether then 2nd amendment as a baseline is a net positive or negative on society is irrational; ergo crazy.

[dckingsfan]

"i'm ok with x% of the population dying" is the natural conclusion of all the conversations I've had with my real-life antivaxx friends.

just eat more veggies, and if you're old or immunocompromised, then that's just darwinism. it's pretty disheartening. and nobody, not in real life or internet, ever wants to meaningfully address measles/mumps/rubella vaccine mandates that are already in place.

and to the argument that "calling us crazy isn't helping" well that goes back to my post last week about politicization of non-political issues (and many posts before that, mainly against SD20). there are objective truths in our world, and there are political topics. you can argue, politically, about actually disputed topics where there are legitimate arguments on both sides. topics like drug policy, foreign policy, SCOTUS reform, education reform, police reform, social media/tech regulation, government spending, welfare/UBI, postal banking, NAFTA/TPP, prison reform, housing reform, etc. yeah talk away.

But where there is expert consensus, and no legitimate counterargument? And you take the "wrong" side? And you treat these topics (global warming, vaccines, gender/race equality, voting rights, wealth distribution/wage gap) as political "yeah that's just your opinion and i'm entitled to my opinion too" arguments? yeah, it's freaking crazy. not being able to discern rational arguments from irrational arguments is crazy. thinking the answer to school shootings is to arm teachers instead of gun restrictions is crazy. irrationally defending the 2nd amendment without stopping to think whether then 2nd amendment as a baseline is a net positive or negative on society is irrational; ergo crazy.

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[Ruzious]

I'll bite my toungue and just say I've felt the same for a long while. Have a great day.

I'll just say it - You and Nate are both crazy. He's probably more crazy than you are, but you're both crazy. You're both great at analyzing basketball, but at some point, the other stuff overwhelms the basketball. See ya.

You've always been very easy to anger. I always thought being a mod was a bit of an overachievement for you. I was actually proud of you all these years. Still am.

You're right on all points there. Thank you. Fwiw, I think you'd make a great NBA scout. I'd hire you in a second.

[Wizardspride]

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[Benjammin]

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Nate? Dat2U? TGW? Benjamin? Other alt accounts that only post to criticize Democrats and the “left”? Any concerns here with authoritarianism and free speech here? Any comments or anything to say?

Is that like some kind of Bat signal or something? Other alt accounts? Seriously? As per your question this seems like a stupid law. But fear not, the cultural high ground is safely woke in our institutions of higher learning, business, and government. Any concept of epistemology has been subsumed into a postmodern fun house mirror that seeks to obliterate any sense of objective truth. So you have that going for you.

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[Dat2U]

Anyway if all you're saying is the vaccines don't work on omicron you're not crazy. That's what everybody suspects.

What's crazy is to say "the vaccine doesn't work on omicron so you shouldn't take it." That's loony tunes.

It's not crazy to say "taking the vaccine makes you feel sick." Duh. "The vaccine has side effects." No kidding.

It's crazy to say "taking the vaccine makes you worse off" That's crazy times. Maybe for teenage men. But that doesn't mean teenage men shouldn't be subject to a mandate - it may still make economic sense for teenage men to be slightly worse off if it prevents the virus' spread to other vulnerable people. Take one for the team guys. It's not like you don't have any elderly relatives.

Ranting and raving about how you should not trust the government but should trust the little green men in the intertubes - that's crazy talk. Saying that no one should have to take the vaccine because only sick people die - that's *insane.* Any time you hear yourself say that, punch yourself in the face. My mother is eighty years old and has all the comorbidities. Screw you and your "we should just let your mom die because she was on death's door anyway." I mean seriously, go screw yourself, you monster. My mom didn't survive cancer 3 times to be murdered by some ignorant right wing gremlin.

When people say the last part is especially the most disgusting thing that the pandemic has exposed about people. Think about it, all the concern for people’s well being and livelihood goes out the window when it comes to those who especially at risk from COVID. The thing is that there’s a solution that protects people, businesses, children etc.

Vaccines, masks, rapid testing and being a responsible person. It’s pretty simple. And anyone who’s concerned at getting vaccinated shouldn’t be talking to anyone other than their doctor about the decision. There’s just so much blatant misinformation and just plain wrong assumptions being made regarding COVID, people need to get off the internet and social media.

"i'm ok with x% of the population dying" is the natural conclusion of all the conversations I've had with my real-life antivaxx friends.

just eat more veggies, and if you're old or immunocompromised, then that's just darwinism. it's pretty disheartening. and nobody, not in real life or internet, ever wants to meaningfully address measles/mumps/rubella vaccine mandates that are already in place.

and to the argument that "calling us crazy isn't helping" well that goes back to my post last week about politicization of non-political issues (and many posts before that, mainly against SD20). there are objective truths in our world, and there are political topics. you can argue, politically, about actually disputed topics where there are legitimate arguments on both sides. topics like drug policy, foreign policy, SCOTUS reform, education reform, police reform, social media/tech regulation, government spending, welfare/UBI, postal banking, NAFTA/TPP, prison reform, housing reform, etc. yeah talk away.

But where there is expert consensus, and no legitimate counterargument? And you take the "wrong" side? And you treat these topics (global warming, vaccines, gender/race equality, voting rights, wealth distribution/wage gap) as political "yeah that's just your opinion and i'm entitled to my opinion too" arguments? yeah, it's freaking crazy. not being able to discern rational arguments from irrational arguments is crazy. thinking the answer to school shootings is to arm teachers instead of gun restrictions is crazy. irrationally defending the 2nd amendment without stopping to think whether then 2nd amendment as a baseline is a net positive or negative on society is irrational; ergo crazy.

Alt accounts, soothing white discomfort, zonk's mother who apparently I wish death upon and most everyone else that eats carbs for that matter, yep that's all just me before 8am! I'm also infused with Tiger blood and plenty of ivermectin. Prefer to ride death, not fear it! Oh and Biden stole the election and Trump will return to save America, woo hoo!

So now that its established that I fit the desired nutzo narrative as your resident evil doer and death seeker whose reading alt sites with my tin foil hat, do YOU feel any better? Or would y'all like to project anything else while were at it?

[pancakes3]

this is your hill that you're choosing to dying on, not mine.

but as for my "narrative?" my narrative is that we could have quarantined our way out of the pandemic in 2020, and we could have vaxxed our way out of it in 2021, but for people like you and i'm frustrated that now we have to live in a word where this disease is endemic instead of being eradicated - like we were able to do with measles/mumps/rubella/etc.

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Nate? Dat2U? TGW? Benjamin? Other alt accounts that only post to criticize Democrats and the “left”? Any concerns here with authoritarianism and free speech here? Any comments or anything to say?

Is that like some kind of Bat signal or something? Other alt accounts? Seriously? As per your question this seems like a stupid law. But fear not, the cultural high ground is safely woke in our institutions of higher learning, business, and government. Any concept of epistemology has been subsumed into a postmodern fun house mirror that seeks to obliterate any sense of objective truth. So you have that going for you.

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I like how you use a post about right wing authoritarianism and obliterating objective history to make a mini rant about “wokeness” lol. Can’t even stand to criticize the right wing.

[Pointgod]

Anyway if all you're saying is the vaccines don't work on omicron you're not crazy. That's what everybody suspects.

What's crazy is to say "the vaccine doesn't work on omicron so you shouldn't take it." That's loony tunes.

It's not crazy to say "taking the vaccine makes you feel sick." Duh. "The vaccine has side effects." No kidding.

It's crazy to say "taking the vaccine makes you worse off" That's crazy times. Maybe for teenage men. But that doesn't mean teenage men shouldn't be subject to a mandate - it may still make economic sense for teenage men to be slightly worse off if it prevents the virus' spread to other vulnerable people. Take one for the team guys. It's not like you don't have any elderly relatives.

Ranting and raving about how you should not trust the government but should trust the little green men in the intertubes - that's crazy talk. Saying that no one should have to take the vaccine because only sick people die - that's *insane.* Any time you hear yourself say that, punch yourself in the face. My mother is eighty years old and has all the comorbidities. Screw you and your "we should just let your mom die because she was on death's door anyway." I mean seriously, go screw yourself, you monster. My mom didn't survive cancer 3 times to be murdered by some ignorant right wing gremlin.

When people say the last part is especially the most disgusting thing that the pandemic has exposed about people. Think about it, all the concern for people’s well being and livelihood goes out the window when it comes to those who especially at risk from COVID. The thing is that there’s a solution that protects people, businesses, children etc.

Vaccines, masks, rapid testing and being a responsible person. It’s pretty simple. And anyone who’s concerned at getting vaccinated shouldn’t be talking to anyone other than their doctor about the decision. There’s just so much blatant misinformation and just plain wrong assumptions being made regarding COVID, people need to get off the internet and social media.

"i'm ok with x% of the population dying" is the natural conclusion of all the conversations I've had with my real-life antivaxx friends.

just eat more veggies, and if you're old or immunocompromised, then that's just darwinism. it's pretty disheartening. and nobody, not in real life or internet, ever wants to meaningfully address measles/mumps/rubella vaccine mandates that are already in place.

and to the argument that "calling us crazy isn't helping" well that goes back to my post last week about politicization of non-political issues (and many posts before that, mainly against SD20). there are objective truths in our world, and there are political topics. you can argue, politically, about actually disputed topics where there are legitimate arguments on both sides. topics like drug policy, foreign policy, SCOTUS reform, education reform, police reform, social media/tech regulation, government spending, welfare/UBI, postal banking, NAFTA/TPP, prison reform, housing reform, etc. yeah talk away.

But where there is expert consensus, and no legitimate counterargument? And you take the "wrong" side? And you treat these topics (global warming, vaccines, gender/race equality, voting rights, wealth distribution/wage gap) as political "yeah that's just your opinion and i'm entitled to my opinion too" arguments? yeah, it's freaking crazy. not being able to discern rational arguments from irrational arguments is crazy. thinking the answer to school shootings is to arm teachers instead of gun restrictions is crazy. irrationally defending the 2nd amendment without stopping to think whether then 2nd amendment as a baseline is a net positive or negative on society is irrational; ergo crazy.

Alt accounts, soothing white discomfort, zonk's mother who apparently I wish death upon and most everyone else that eats carbs for that matter, yep that's all just me before 8am! I'm also infused with Tiger blood and plenty of ivermectin. Prefer to ride death, not fear it! Oh and Biden stole the election and Trump will return to save America, woo hoo!

So now that its established that I fit the desired nutzo narrative as your resident evil doer and death seeker whose reading alt sites with my tin foil hat, do YOU feel any better? Or would y'all like to project anything else while were at it?

My post you quoted wasn’t directed at you, it was a general observation about the antivaccine/COVID denier group that have zero problem with some people dying as long as they don’t feel minor inconvenience.

I just find it funny that some of you guys rail about requirements being the end of America and Democracy but have zero to say on the actions from Republicans that prolonge the pandemic and stifle free speech.

[dckingsfan]

So now that its established that I fit the desired nutzo narrative as your resident evil doer and death seeker whose reading alt sites with my tin foil hat, do YOU feel any better? Or would y'all like to project anything else while were at it?

My post you quoted wasn’t directed at you, it was a general observation about the antivaccine/COVID denier group that have zero problem with some people dying as long as they don’t feel minor inconvenience.

I just find it funny that some of you guys rail about requirements being the end of America and Democracy but have zero to say on the actions from Republicans that prolonge the pandemic and stifle free speech.

I am often puzzled that anti-vaxxers get so bent out of shape when their actions are called out. They don't acknowledge the trade off between their actions and to our healthcare system in terms of costs, access and quality. And it is puzzling that they revert to the use of tin foil hat type arguments to justify their actions.

[pancakes3]

For my part, I'm not sitting in a moral tower casting judgment on others. I have my own blindspots, hypocrisies, and irrationalities also. But I recognize them, and I'm working on educating myself and bettering myself accordingly.

full disclosure, I'm not super woke on trans rights or the practical implementation of UBI. I don't think BLM is an effective movement because they lack vision and leadership. I'm sure there's more.

I used to think economic sanctions were a useful tool for resolving international conflicts but now i'm rethinking it. I used to think that police were necessary and proper for executing the rule of law, but now I'm rethinking that as well. I used to be fully indoctrinated to support our troops, but now think that military service is essentially welfare, not that there's anything wrong with that per se, but it's important to acknowledge that, as well as the disproportionate profit that big corporations and the government reaps off the backs of the desperate and the brainwashed. I'm sure there's more.

I'm open to debate, but only for debatable topics. I'm also open to changing my opinions, but the arguments should also be legitimate and compelling. I have yet to see any re: vaccines.

[Zonkerbl]

About "calling us crazy isn't helping" - that's tone policing. It's a white supremacist tactic.

I have said this many, many times in this thread - I will always inhabit my truth with my words. That includes saying what's on my mind. I will not hide behind soft, calm language. I will not move the goalposts, I will not cherry pick data, I will not disguise unpopular opinions with code words, I will never, ever say "Let's go Tucker" when I mean F@#$ TRUMP. I will say what I mean as clearly as possible at all times, so that there can be no doubt where I stand. How else will I find out if I'm wrong?

I can't worry about how other people will react to my words. I don't have any control over that. All I have control over is myself and my hatred for being manipulated and lied to. If you haven't figured it out by now, there is nothing I hate more than someone trying to trick me into believing something that is false. I hate, hate, hate being gaslighted. And that's going to come out, unvarnished, because that's who I am. I won't apologize for it.

I'm not going to cuss at you because that's against the rules here. But if you're being crazy, I'm going to tell you you're crazy. It's just my opinion man, don't get too bent out of shape over it. It's not like I'm going to call the crazy cops on you.

[pancakes3]

Neil Young wants to pull his music from Spotify bc they stream Rogan and spreads misinformation. NY's manager is not happy, lol. Good for you Neil.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/25/entertainment/neil-young-spotify-joe-rogan-vaccine-misinformation-cec/index.html

[Benjammin]

Nate? Dat2U? TGW? Benjamin? Other alt accounts that only post to criticize Democrats and the “left”? Any concerns here with authoritarianism and free speech here? Any comments or anything to say?

Is that like some kind of Bat signal or something? Other alt accounts? Seriously? As per your question this seems like a stupid law. But fear not, the cultural high ground is safely woke in our institutions of higher learning, business, and government. Any concept of epistemology has been subsumed into a postmodern fun house mirror that seeks to obliterate any sense of objective truth. So you have that going for you.

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I like how you use a post about right wing authoritarianism and obliterating objective history to make a mini rant about “wokeness” lol. Can’t even stand to criticize the right wing.

Here I bolded this for you because apparently you missed it. Reading is fundamental. Calling something a stupid law (actually a bill right now) doesn't qualify as criticism? You are fun to play with though, so carry on and hopefully your reading comprehension will improve over time.

[Pointgod]

So now that its established that I fit the desired nutzo narrative as your resident evil doer and death seeker whose reading alt sites with my tin foil hat, do YOU feel any better? Or would y'all like to project anything else while were at it?

My post you quoted wasn’t directed at you, it was a general observation about the antivaccine/COVID denier group that have zero problem with some people dying as long as they don’t feel minor inconvenience.

I just find it funny that some of you guys rail about requirements being the end of America and Democracy but have zero to say on the actions from Republicans that prolonge the pandemic and stifle free speech.

I am often puzzled that anti-vaxxers get so bent out of shape when their actions are called out. They don't acknowledge the trade off between their actions and to our healthcare system in terms of costs, access and quality. And it is puzzling that they revert to the use of tin foil hat type arguments to justify their actions.

It’s truly amazing how many people have pretty much torpedoed their careers and relationships by believing in misinformation. I honestly believe that it’s all ego, they can’t admit that they’re clearly wrong so they dig in deeper and use any absurd justification to reinforce their positions.

It’s simple common sense. Physical distancing makes sense, lockdowns work, masks work, vaccines work, mandates work, now these can be used to varying degrees and that’s where disagreeing viewpoints should be welcomed but at the end of the day no one has shown me any data or facts that show it’s better from a healthcare perspective to not do anything that I’ve listed above and just let the virus rip through everyone….

[Pointgod]

Is that like some kind of Bat signal or something? Other alt accounts? Seriously? As per your question this seems like a stupid law. But fear not, the cultural high ground is safely woke in our institutions of higher learning, business, and government. Any concept of epistemology has been subsumed into a postmodern fun house mirror that seeks to obliterate any sense of objective truth. So you have that going for you.

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I like how you use a post about right wing authoritarianism and obliterating objective history to make a mini rant about “wokeness” lol. Can’t even stand to criticize the right wing.

Here I bolded this for you because apparently you missed it. Reading is fundamental. Calling something a stupid law (actually a bill right now) doesn't qualify as criticism? You are fun to play with though, so carry on and hopefully your reading comprehension will improve over time.

Yes you could have just stopped at calling it a stupid law, it’s actually way more dangerous and insidious than stupid. But for some reason you decided to rant on wokeness which has nothing to do with the law, but you felt the need to bring it up anyways. Interesting definition of criticism