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[blueNorange]

terrenceclark is saying ken dorsey deserves all the credit, how much you want to bet that when daboll names ken dorsey his OC, terrenceclark will say that it wasn't ken dorsey who's responsible for josh allen's success but it's mike peters, the water boy.

[GONYK]

Sean Payton just quit

[mpharris36]

Bruh. I love Ryans, but we know the Giants wont do it.

Its sounds like Mara actually really wants Flores from all these reports. I just think Schoen is going to get scared off by the in fighting flores has with his GM down in Miami.

I just read this on Big Blue Interactive who Eric the Admin said is a plugged in person and says is Legit.

There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.

If thats the case then it makes sense why Mara is the one who made the call himself personally....

Even if you want that to happen and believe in Flores...you can't want Mara overruling Schoen...you know that would end up with a disaster. Flores doesn't fix that issue if Mara continues to but his nose in Football Operations.

[TerrenceClarke]

Its sounds like Mara actually really wants Flores from all these reports. I just think Schoen is going to get scared off by the in fighting flores has with his GM down in Miami.

I just read this on Big Blue Interactive who Eric the Admin said is a plugged in person and says is Legit.

There are three types of personnel guys who get to GM. The talent evaluator, the architect, and the "yes men". The Giants finalist were all yes men. No one can honestly tell you they got the best talent evaluator in the league and if they do they're being kind to a friend. Joe is a no-ego guy who is a good information gatherer. He does exactly what is asked. Maras didn't want a strong personality with experience. They wanted someone green, someone they could influence with little resistance. They got their guy.

If thats the case then it makes sense why Mara is the one who made the call himself personally....

Even if you want that to happen and believe in Flores...you can't want Mara overruling Schoen...you know that would end up with a disaster. Flores doesn't fix that issue if Mara continues to but his nose in Football Operations.

I dont have to want it to happen. If what is said is true, then it is what it is regardless of Flores or not. Flores has no bearing on Mara still wanting to pull strings. He will be doing it, Flores or Not. It will be disaster regardless. Schoen wont just be a yes man on Flores. He would then be a yes man on a bunch of stuff.

So at that point why would I be mad if he did that with flores. It started way before Flores, with his supposed selection of Schoen.

[mpharris36]

I just read this on Big Blue Interactive who Eric the Admin said is a plugged in person and says is Legit.



If thats the case then it makes sense why Mara is the one who made the call himself personally....

Even if you want that to happen and believe in Flores...you can't want Mara overruling Schoen...you know that would end up with a disaster. Flores doesn't fix that issue if Mara continues to but his nose in Football Operations.

I dont have to want it to happen. If what is said is true, then it is what it is regardless of Flores or not. Flores has no bearing on Mara still wanting to pull strings. He will be doing it, Flores or Not. It will be disaster regardless. Schoen wont just be a yes man on Flores. He would then be a yes man on a bunch of stuff.

So at that point why would I be mad if he did that with flores. It started way before Flores, with his supposed selection of Schoen.

Thats one persons perspective. If Daboll is the guy Schoen played a major part in that.

If Flores ends up being the guy...you can start to speculate about Mara's involvement.

[TerrenceClarke]

Even if you want that to happen and believe in Flores...you can't want Mara overruling Schoen...you know that would end up with a disaster. Flores doesn't fix that issue if Mara continues to but his nose in Football Operations.

I dont have to want it to happen. If what is said is true, then it is what it is regardless of Flores or not. Flores has no bearing on Mara still wanting to pull strings. He will be doing it, Flores or Not. It will be disaster regardless. Schoen wont just be a yes man on Flores. He would then be a yes man on a bunch of stuff.

So at that point why would I be mad if he did that with flores. It started way before Flores, with his supposed selection of Schoen.

Thats one persons perspective. If Daboll is the guy Schoen played a major part in that.

If Flores ends up being the guy...you can start to speculate about Mara's involvement.

Again. IF what is said is true. Mara would have involvement regardless. You seem worried about the optics on the outside. It wouldnt change what is happening behind the scenes if true. We cant even think that if Mara wanted to call shots on flores..... Thats the ONLY thing he wants to involve himself in. We should all know that. Nothing about that comment, says it was done so that he can hire Flores. Flores isnt the motivating factor here if this is what Mara is doing. Its waaaaaay deeper than that.

You need to be worried about the statement in general if thats the case, not just about it potentially having something to do with Flores is the the point here.

[mpharris36]

I dont have to want it to happen. If what is said is true, then it is what it is regardless of Flores or not. Flores has no bearing on Mara still wanting to pull strings. He will be doing it, Flores or Not. It will be disaster regardless. Schoen wont just be a yes man on Flores. He would then be a yes man on a bunch of stuff.

So at that point why would I be mad if he did that with flores. It started way before Flores, with his supposed selection of Schoen.

Thats one persons perspective. If Daboll is the guy Schoen played a major part in that.

If Flores ends up being the guy...you can start to speculate about Mara's involvement.

Again. IF what is said is true. Mara would have involvement regardless. You seem worried about the optics on the outside. It wouldnt change what is happening behind the scenes if true. We cant even think that if Mara wanted to call shots on flores..... Thats the ONLY thing he wants to involve himself in. We should all know that. Nothing about that comment, says it was done so that he can hire Flores. Flores isnt the motivating factor here if this is what Mara is doing. Its waaaaaay deeper than that.

You need to be worried about the statement in general if thats the case, not just about it potentially having something to do with Flores is the the point here.

But doesn't hiring Daboll prove Schoen is calling the shots. If the statement he is just a "yes" man. Then mara will get to decide the next coach not Schoen.

I don't understand the logic if Mara lets him have his coach but then butts in down the road? Trust me I think Mara is an idiot but if the narrative is he is just a "yes" man then we should be able to tell from the hires.

[TerrenceClarke]

Thats one persons perspective. If Daboll is the guy Schoen played a major part in that.

If Flores ends up being the guy...you can start to speculate about Mara's involvement.

Again. IF what is said is true. Mara would have involvement regardless. You seem worried about the optics on the outside. It wouldnt change what is happening behind the scenes if true. We cant even think that if Mara wanted to call shots on flores..... Thats the ONLY thing he wants to involve himself in. We should all know that. Nothing about that comment, says it was done so that he can hire Flores. Flores isnt the motivating factor here if this is what Mara is doing. Its waaaaaay deeper than that.

You need to be worried about the statement in general if thats the case, not just about it potentially having something to do with Flores is the the point here.

But doesn't hiring Daboll prove Schoen is calling the shots. If the statement he is just a "yes" man. Then mara will get to decide the next coach not Schoen.
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I don't understand the logic if Mara lets him have his coach but then butts in down the road? Trust me I think Mara is an idiot but if the narrative is he is just a "yes" man then we should be able to tell from the hires.

no it doesnt. Because to say so would to say that its given fact that Mara wants flores over everyone else. There is nothing that indicates tha at this pointt. All we can assume at this point is that Mara wanted to give Flores a fair shot, thats it. Flores can also" fail" at that shot/ as well or not be chosen cause they like Daboll.

At that point it still wouldn't matter about Flores, because what was said is that he wanted someone "green" that can be influenced. The influence that Mara would want would never just be limited to a coach. This is why I stated, it started way before Flores and started with Schoen, cause this would be mean Mara had alternative motives all along. I mean lest be real here, Mara is a Bootleg Jerry Jones, they want they hand in the Jar in some fashion. Chris Mara is not going anywhere as well, are you really comfortable that the Maras gave up 100% of the Franchise to a young GM? nah. I don't, and this has nothing to do with Flores.

The easiest way we can say there is "some" credibility to what that supposed inside person said is this.


We know its a FACT, that Mara PERSONALLY reached out to Flores. Giants Fans everywhere said wow that's shocking.We know thats not his style.

Thats very telling, ONLY because Mara has NEVER been known to ever do that. Whats also interesting is that tibit actually got out that Mara did it. Maybe they wanted it to be out there. Mara showed his hand kinda early that he still wants his hands in the Jar to SOME degree.

The only way you would have a point is if we can prove that Mara only wants Flores as the coach. We can't prove that at all. Mara can genuinely sign off on Daboll as well(lets be real, all owners in sports, have to a degree says yes im fine with that. I trust your choice). Im taking that into account, which is why I say that statement should worry you regardless, cause I assume you wouldn't want Mara involved period. Flores or not.

[mpharris36]

Again. IF what is said is true. Mara would have involvement regardless. You seem worried about the optics on the outside. It wouldnt change what is happening behind the scenes if true. We cant even think that if Mara wanted to call shots on flores..... Thats the ONLY thing he wants to involve himself in. We should all know that. Nothing about that comment, says it was done so that he can hire Flores. Flores isnt the motivating factor here if this is what Mara is doing. Its waaaaaay deeper than that.

You need to be worried about the statement in general if thats the case, not just about it potentially having something to do with Flores is the the point here.

But doesn't hiring Daboll prove Schoen is calling the shots. If the statement he is just a "yes" man. Then mara will get to decide the next coach not Schoen.
n
I don't understand the logic if Mara lets him have his coach but then butts in down the road? Trust me I think Mara is an idiot but if the narrative is he is just a "yes" man then we should be able to tell from the hires.

no it doesnt. Because to say so would to say that its given fact that Mara wants flores over everyone else. There is nothing that indicates tha at this pointt. All we can assume at this point is that Mara wanted to give Flores a fair shot, thats it. Flores can also" fail" at that shot/ as well or not be chosen cause they like Daboll.

At that point it still wouldn't matter about Flores, because what was said is that he wanted someone "green" that can be influenced. The influence that Mara would want would never just be limited to a coach. This is why I stated, it started way before Flores and started with Schoen, cause this would be mean Mara had alternative motives all along. I mean lest be real here, Mara is a Bootleg Jerry Jones, they want they hand in the Jar in some fashion. Chris Mara is not going anywhere as well, are you really comfortable that the Maras gave up 100% of the Franchise to a young GM? nah. I don't, and this has nothing to do with Flores.

The easiest way we can say there is "some" credibility to what that supposed inside person said is this.


We know its a FACT, that Mara PERSONALLY reached out to Flores. Giants Fans everywhere said wow that's shocking.We know thats not his style.

Thats very telling, ONLY because Mara has NEVER been known to ever do that. Whats also interesting is that tibit actually got out that Mara did it. Maybe they wanted it to be out there. Mara showed his hand kinda early that he still wants his hands in the Jar to SOME degree.

The only way you would have a point is if we can prove that Mara only wants Flores as the coach. We can't prove that at all. Mara can genuinely sign off on Daboll as well(lets be real, all owners in sports, have to a degree says yes im fine with that. I trust your choice). Im taking that into account, which is why I say that statement should worry you regardless, cause I assume you wouldn't want Mara involved period. Flores or not.

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there is a ton of smoke that if it was Mara's call he wants Flores. He called him specifically to re-assure him he was a legit candidate. Usually with this much smoke there is some fire.

[TerrenceClarke]

But doesn't hiring Daboll prove Schoen is calling the shots. If the statement he is just a "yes" man. Then mara will get to decide the next coach not Schoen.
n
I don't understand the logic if Mara lets him have his coach but then butts in down the road? Trust me I think Mara is an idiot but if the narrative is he is just a "yes" man then we should be able to tell from the hires.

no it doesnt. Because to say so would to say that its given fact that Mara wants flores over everyone else. There is nothing that indicates tha at this pointt. All we can assume at this point is that Mara wanted to give Flores a fair shot, thats it. Flores can also" fail" at that shot/ as well or not be chosen cause they like Daboll.

At that point it still wouldn't matter about Flores, because what was said is that he wanted someone "green" that can be influenced. The influence that Mara would want would never just be limited to a coach. This is why I stated, it started way before Flores and started with Schoen, cause this would be mean Mara had alternative motives all along. I mean lest be real here, Mara is a Bootleg Jerry Jones, they want they hand in the Jar in some fashion. Chris Mara is not going anywhere as well, are you really comfortable that the Maras gave up 100% of the Franchise to a young GM? nah. I don't, and this has nothing to do with Flores.

The easiest way we can say there is "some" credibility to what that supposed inside person said is this.


We know its a FACT, that Mara PERSONALLY reached out to Flores. Giants Fans everywhere said wow that's shocking.We know thats not his style.

Thats very telling, ONLY because Mara has NEVER been known to ever do that. Whats also interesting is that tibit actually got out that Mara did it. Maybe they wanted it to be out there. Mara showed his hand kinda early that he still wants his hands in the Jar to SOME degree.

The only way you would have a point is if we can prove that Mara only wants Flores as the coach. We can't prove that at all. Mara can genuinely sign off on Daboll as well(lets be real, all owners in sports, have to a degree says yes im fine with that. I trust your choice). Im taking that into account, which is why I say that statement should worry you regardless, cause I assume you wouldn't want Mara involved period. Flores or not.

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there is a ton of smoke that if it was Mara's call he wants Flores. He called him specifically to re-assure him he was a legit candidate. Usually with this much smoke there is some fire.

of course there is... that a given. I can sell that point even better. Flores is coming in for an in person, but was never scheduled for a First Interview. Looks like that happened on the phone at Maras will. lol

But I still dont think you understand what I am saying. Cause you keep responding this way.

Are you trying to say that's the ONLY reason Mara is doing this is because he wants Flores and thats it? I dont think so. Is what I keep telling you. And where we don't agree at. You seem to think if it Daboll, that statment is false and Maras intentions were to never hire a yes man. A yes man is a Yes Man...

I never heard of a Yes man with a disclaimer before.

[mpharris36]

no it doesnt. Because to say so would to say that its given fact that Mara wants flores over everyone else. There is nothing that indicates tha at this pointt. All we can assume at this point is that Mara wanted to give Flores a fair shot, thats it. Flores can also" fail" at that shot/ as well or not be chosen cause they like Daboll.

At that point it still wouldn't matter about Flores, because what was said is that he wanted someone "green" that can be influenced. The influence that Mara would want would never just be limited to a coach. This is why I stated, it started way before Flores and started with Schoen, cause this would be mean Mara had alternative motives all along. I mean lest be real here, Mara is a Bootleg Jerry Jones, they want they hand in the Jar in some fashion. Chris Mara is not going anywhere as well, are you really comfortable that the Maras gave up 100% of the Franchise to a young GM? nah. I don't, and this has nothing to do with Flores.

The easiest way we can say there is "some" credibility to what that supposed inside person said is this.


We know its a FACT, that Mara PERSONALLY reached out to Flores. Giants Fans everywhere said wow that's shocking.We know thats not his style.

Thats very telling, ONLY because Mara has NEVER been known to ever do that. Whats also interesting is that tibit actually got out that Mara did it. Maybe they wanted it to be out there. Mara showed his hand kinda early that he still wants his hands in the Jar to SOME degree.

The only way you would have a point is if we can prove that Mara only wants Flores as the coach. We can't prove that at all. Mara can genuinely sign off on Daboll as well(lets be real, all owners in sports, have to a degree says yes im fine with that. I trust your choice). Im taking that into account, which is why I say that statement should worry you regardless, cause I assume you wouldn't want Mara involved period. Flores or not.

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there is a ton of smoke that if it was Mara's call he wants Flores. He called him specifically to re-assure him he was a legit candidate. Usually with this much smoke there is some fire.

of course there is... that a given. I can sell that point even better. Flores is coming in for an in person, but was never scheduled for a First Interview. Looks like that happened on the phone at Maras will. lol

But I still dont think you understand what I am saying. Cause you keep responding this way.

Are you trying to say that's the ONLY reason Mara is doing this is because he wants Flores and thats it? I dont think so. Is what I keep telling you. And where we don't agree at. You seem to think if it Daboll, that statment is false and Maras intentions were to never hire a yes man. A yes man is a Yes Man...

I never heard of a Yes man with a disclaimer before.

I get it but wouldn't a yes man want to make his owner happy with his first and most important move?

All we are doing is speculating right now. Mara said the GM would have carte blanche (now is that just lipstick on a big talk...maybe) only time will tell:

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Schoen had options too as a GM. I'm not sure why he would chose a job where he would just be a yes man. The same source on BBI said Poles and Peters were also considered yes men as well. At the end of the day GM still reports to the owner. Its his team and his money. So any coach will still get approved by Mara. I think a lot of things will come into play down the road.

You probably can't change the scouting staff much before the draft. But after...if we see a lot of firings and movement of a lot of long time giant scouts that would be a Schoen thing. It all depends on how the optics add up. Right now everyone is just speculating.

Also if Schoen proves successful he probably will get more freedom to do what he wants. If he proves incapable you probably do get a lot more deferrals to Mara.

[G_K_F]

The fact than John Mara wants Brian Flores would be the reason why we shouldn't hire him.

[TerrenceClarke]

there is a ton of smoke that if it was Mara's call he wants Flores. He called him specifically to re-assure him he was a legit candidate. Usually with this much smoke there is some fire.

of course there is... that a given. I can sell that point even better. Flores is coming in for an in person, but was never scheduled for a First Interview. Looks like that happened on the phone at Maras will. lol

But I still dont think you understand what I am saying. Cause you keep responding this way.

Are you trying to say that's the ONLY reason Mara is doing this is because he wants Flores and thats it? I dont think so. Is what I keep telling you. And where we don't agree at. You seem to think if it Daboll, that statment is false and Maras intentions were to never hire a yes man. A yes man is a Yes Man...

I never heard of a Yes man with a disclaimer before.

I get it but wouldn't a yes man want to make his owner happy with his first and most important move?

All we are doing is speculating right now. Mara said the GM would have carte blanche (now is that just lipstick on a big talk...maybe) only time will tell:

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Schoen had options too as a GM. I'm not sure why he would chose a job where he would just be a yes man. The same source on BBI said Poles and Peters were also considered yes men as well. At the end of the day GM still reports to the owner. Its his team and his money. So any coach will still get approved by Mara. I think a lot of things will come into play down the road.

You probably can't change the scouting staff much before the draft. But after...if we see a lot of firings and movement of a lot of long time giant scouts that would be a Schoen thing. It all depends on how the optics add up. Right now everyone is just speculating.

Also if Schoen proves successful he probably will get more freedom to do what he wants. If he proves incapable you probably do get a lot more deferrals to Mara.

Personally alot of young first time GMs are prob yes men. Most prob dont get fully respected and full freedom untill they prove something. Its usually the grizzled guys who get full autonomy from the jump. I think Youth by default means Yes Men to some degree. Most NFL owners are Old Men. They wont feel comfortable with 100% at first.

The real question for me is why Flores. Why be this bold with Flores out of all coaches. Thats my biggest question. There is something about him he must really like.

[mpharris36]

of course there is... that a given. I can sell that point even better. Flores is coming in for an in person, but was never scheduled for a First Interview. Looks like that happened on the phone at Maras will. lol

But I still dont think you understand what I am saying. Cause you keep responding this way.

Are you trying to say that's the ONLY reason Mara is doing this is because he wants Flores and thats it? I dont think so. Is what I keep telling you. And where we don't agree at. You seem to think if it Daboll, that statment is false and Maras intentions were to never hire a yes man. A yes man is a Yes Man...

I never heard of a Yes man with a disclaimer before.

I get it but wouldn't a yes man want to make his owner happy with his first and most important move?

All we are doing is speculating right now. Mara said the GM would have carte blanche (now is that just lipstick on a big talk...maybe) only time will tell:

Read on Twitter

Schoen had options too as a GM. I'm not sure why he would chose a job where he would just be a yes man. The same source on BBI said Poles and Peters were also considered yes men as well. At the end of the day GM still reports to the owner. Its his team and his money. So any coach will still get approved by Mara. I think a lot of things will come into play down the road.

You probably can't change the scouting staff much before the draft. But after...if we see a lot of firings and movement of a lot of long time giant scouts that would be a Schoen thing. It all depends on how the optics add up. Right now everyone is just speculating.

Also if Schoen proves successful he probably will get more freedom to do what he wants. If he proves incapable you probably do get a lot more deferrals to Mara.

Personally alot of young first time GMs are prob yes men. Most prob dont get fully respected and full freedom untill they prove something. Its usually the grizzled guys who get full autonomy from the jump. I think Youth by default means Yes Men to some degree. Most NFL owners are Old Men. They wont feel comfortable with 100% at first.

The real question for me is why Flores. Why be this bold with Flores out of all coaches. Thats my biggest question. There is something about him he must really like.

From NY...you know Mara has a soft spot for BB guys too....

[G_K_F]

There was 'something about' Joe Judge, Pat Shurmur and Ben McAdoo that John Mara really liked too.

[TerrenceClarke]

I get it but wouldn't a yes man want to make his owner happy with his first and most important move?

All we are doing is speculating right now. Mara said the GM would have carte blanche (now is that just lipstick on a big talk...maybe) only time will tell:

Read on Twitter

Schoen had options too as a GM. I'm not sure why he would chose a job where he would just be a yes man. The same source on BBI said Poles and Peters were also considered yes men as well. At the end of the day GM still reports to the owner. Its his team and his money. So any coach will still get approved by Mara. I think a lot of things will come into play down the road.

You probably can't change the scouting staff much before the draft. But after...if we see a lot of firings and movement of a lot of long time giant scouts that would be a Schoen thing. It all depends on how the optics add up. Right now everyone is just speculating.

Also if Schoen proves successful he probably will get more freedom to do what he wants. If he proves incapable you probably do get a lot more deferrals to Mara.

Personally alot of young first time GMs are prob yes men. Most prob dont get fully respected and full freedom untill they prove something. Its usually the grizzled guys who get full autonomy from the jump. I think Youth by default means Yes Men to some degree. Most NFL owners are Old Men. They wont feel comfortable with 100% at first.

The real question for me is why Flores. Why be this bold with Flores out of all coaches. Thats my biggest question. There is something about him he must really like.

From NY...you know Mara has a soft spot for BB guys too....

I mean I thought about the BK thing many times, but I was like is he really that simple? maybe he is.


I def see the BB thing, but didnt BB give Judge his blessing as well? lol

[mpharris36]

Personally alot of young first time GMs are prob yes men. Most prob dont get fully respected and full freedom untill they prove something. Its usually the grizzled guys who get full autonomy from the jump. I think Youth by default means Yes Men to some degree. Most NFL owners are Old Men. They wont feel comfortable with 100% at first.

The real question for me is why Flores. Why be this bold with Flores out of all coaches. Thats my biggest question. There is something about him he must really like.

From NY...you know Mara has a soft spot for BB guys too....

I mean I thought about the BK thing many times, but I was like is he really that simple? maybe he is.


I def see the BB thing, but didnt BB give Judge his blessing as well? lol

for sure he did...but Mara still doesn't probably think he got it wrong with JJ...JJ kinda just self emploded.

Mara worships the ground BB walks on and Flores is actually one of the few semi successful BB assistant coaches...usually they fall on there face. So it might be an easier sell.

The same issue we talked about yesterday about the lack of minority HC maybe even plays a role? Mara is part of the competition committee...I'm sure the NFL is getting a lot of heat for this and rightfully so.

I'm not sure if that is a legit angle...just throwing things against the wall right now

[TerrenceClarke]

From NY...you know Mara has a soft spot for BB guys too....

I mean I thought about the BK thing many times, but I was like is he really that simple? maybe he is.


I def see the BB thing, but didnt BB give Judge his blessing as well? lol

for sure he did...but Mara still doesn't probably think he got it wrong with JJ...JJ kinda just self emploded.

Mara worships the ground BB walks on and Flores is actually one of the few semi successful BB assistant coaches...usually they fall on there face. So it might be an easier sell.

The same issue we talked about yesterday about the lack of minority HC maybe even plays a role? Mara is part of the competition committee...I'm sure the NFL is getting a lot of heat for this and rightfully so.

I'm not sure if that is a legit angle...just throwing things against the wall right now

I agree about Judge. Mara did not want to fire him. Judge killed himself.

Of course there is prob talk of the Giants having a Black Coach. There actually could be bad press of having Flores on the Market and not Hiring when many feel he is the best coach out there right now on the market. It would really put a spotlight on this process league wide. NY media says Daboll, but I am sure the Poll nationally is why not Hire Flores he is there for the taking. Most Pundits said he derives a shot in this cycle again. Many considered him not a retread.


What I will say about Flores. He is proven to be a worthy Candidate thats for sure. I want every thing about his hire to be based on Merit personally.

[mpharris36]

I mean I thought about the BK thing many times, but I was like is he really that simple? maybe he is.


I def see the BB thing, but didnt BB give Judge his blessing as well? lol

for sure he did...but Mara still doesn't probably think he got it wrong with JJ...JJ kinda just self emploded.

Mara worships the ground BB walks on and Flores is actually one of the few semi successful BB assistant coaches...usually they fall on there face. So it might be an easier sell.

The same issue we talked about yesterday about the lack of minority HC maybe even plays a role? Mara is part of the competition committee...I'm sure the NFL is getting a lot of heat for this and rightfully so.

I'm not sure if that is a legit angle...just throwing things against the wall right now

I agree about Judge. Mara did not want to fire him. Judge killed himself.

Of course there is prob talk of the Giants having a Black Coach. There actually could be bad press of having Flores on the Market and not Hiring when many feel he is the best coach out there right now on the market. It would really put a spotlight on this process league wide. NY media says Daboll, but I am sure the Poll nationally is why not Hire Flores he is there for the taking. Most Pundits said he derives a shot in this cycle again. Many considered him not a retread.


What I will say about Flores. He is proven to be a worthy Candidate thats for sure. I want every thing about his hire to be based on Merit personally.

agreed and that is why any of these rules that put speculation that your interviewed or hired a minority just to satify a rule kinda diminishes a lot of these guys work. They put in real time and deserve legit shots (while the intention of the rule is good). The fact people have to ask if its merit based with some is demeaning. I could go on a long tangent but I wont.

I like Flores...I'm not sure I love how the relationship with his GM ended (kinda can't blame him for not liking Tua...Tua is mid tho )

But Flores also really wanting Watson...I'm not sure Mara can deal with the media attention and his off the field stuff so Flores would have to back off that request.

[TerrenceClarke]

for sure he did...but Mara still doesn't probably think he got it wrong with JJ...JJ kinda just self emploded.

Mara worships the ground BB walks on and Flores is actually one of the few semi successful BB assistant coaches...usually they fall on there face. So it might be an easier sell.

The same issue we talked about yesterday about the lack of minority HC maybe even plays a role? Mara is part of the competition committee...I'm sure the NFL is getting a lot of heat for this and rightfully so.

I'm not sure if that is a legit angle...just throwing things against the wall right now

I agree about Judge. Mara did not want to fire him. Judge killed himself.

Of course there is prob talk of the Giants having a Black Coach. There actually could be bad press of having Flores on the Market and not Hiring when many feel he is the best coach out there right now on the market. It would really put a spotlight on this process league wide. NY media says Daboll, but I am sure the Poll nationally is why not Hire Flores he is there for the taking. Most Pundits said he derives a shot in this cycle again. Many considered him not a retread.


What I will say about Flores. He is proven to be a worthy Candidate thats for sure. I want every thing about his hire to be based on Merit personally.

agreed and that is why any of these rules that put speculation that your interviewed or hired a minority just to satify a rule kinda diminishes a lot of these guys work. They put in real time and deserve legit shots (while the intention of the rule is good). The fact people have to ask if its merit based with some is demeaning. I could go on a long tangent but I wont.

I like Flores...I'm not sure I love how the relationship with his GM ended (kinda can't blame him for not liking Tua...Tua is mid tho )

But Flores also really wanting Watson...I'm not sure Mara can deal with the media attention and his off the field stuff so Flores would have to back off that request.

He is only 40. Thats mad young for an NFL coach who already has 3 years in. He is still learning. By Default Flores HAS to change for the simple fact that THIS would be his dream job. He could basically be Tomlin in NY and be here till forever. It would be so historical for Flores, a Black Kid from Brownsville to be the coach of NY Giants. He would never want to ruin that. He knows he cant rebel against the FO like he did in MIA. He WANTS this. You know that. He wont be pushing the Giants to get Watson. He knows he can't repeat the SAME things he did in MIA. Forget about the Giants, it just wont look good for him. He could kill his coaching career, as you can't work with him.

He has a chance to redeem himself. He knows this, trust me. You dont come from Brownsville and not recognize the opportunity he has right now. I personally expect a killer interview. He will work with Schoen...if he wants to be successful, he HAS to. He understands this in NY. The stakes are waaaaaaaay to high for him. Im sure he will "bend" to be in tune with Schoen.

Flores in Ny will send shockwaves in the NFL. Especially the communities that's just like where he comes from. Alot of inspiration would come from it from these areas.

This wouldn't be the simple hiring of a black coach like in many other places/teams. This would be different. It would be a black head coach of the NY FOOTBALL GIANTS. The positivity that could come from that would he huge.