Jalyen Brown vs Pascal Siakam

[Floody100]

Teams have literally been doubling Siakam and packing the paint against him the last two seasons which is why he has worked so much on his playmaking. Tatum could learn a thing or two from Siakam by being more unselfish on a consistent basis rather than taking 5+ heavily contested turnaround jumpers most nights.

Maybe watch a few Raptors games before you start talking about things you know little about.

Oh stop it he has not & you know it.

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Siakam has been doubled just as frequently as Tatum this season (slightly less per game but a slightly higher percentage of possession) and has produced a lot more effectively.

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Watch both teams play.

Tatum’s getting double teamed (sometimes triple teamed) as soon he hits half court. Siakam’s only double teamed when he’s close to the paint. He’s rarely ever had more than one defender on him at the top of the key.

[Gasolina]

I think it’s pretty clearly Siakam. If I need one of these guys to get me a bucket in the clutch, I’ll go with Brown, but Siakam’s playmaking ability is lightyears ahead of Brown’s, he’s a much better rebounder, and I think as defenders go they are roughly equivalent, except that Siakam can guard 5s and Brown can’t.

[Gasolina]

I think his jump in playmaking has separated him from Jaylen Brown at this point

Why be a playmaker when your one of the best scorers in the league though ?

Maybe because endless iso ball clearly doesn’t work? If Brown could actually pass without turning the ball over (negative assist to turnover ratio for his career) then the Celtics would look much better. As soon as Brown gets the ball in his hands, opponents know he will look to shoot or pass it back out, but he will virtually never make the right pass to a teammate. This, in my opinion, has been the biggest detriment to the Celtics as a team. Tatum is a much better playmaker but Brown is an awful creator for his teammates, and you just can’t win if a star doesn’t know how to break down a double team.

[AussieCeltic]

So Siakam wasn’t “comfortable in the bubble”, had an off season last year, was injured to start this season. Any other excuses Raptors fans want to give him?

Masai would trade Siakam for Brown in a heartbeat. He’s the better player the last few years, he’s the better player now and he will be better in the future. Siakams not a bad player, but Brown is better.

[DroseReturnChi]

brown has much higher potential and it looks like siakam peaked similar to ibaka did.

[Fencer reregistered]

Siakam can guard 5s and Brown can’t.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/r6wrxn/highlight_jaylen_brown_showing_what_it_takes_top/

[mademan]

Brown has probably underperformed this season, but it's pretty difficult to say he's been better than Siakam this year. He might be the better player who's just had a rough start to the season and he for sure was better last year, but Siakam is back in form after offseason surgery and Brown isnt.

[Johnny Bball]

Two low BBIQ players that are no longer above average defenders like they’re capable of being. I’d rather have Siakam because he’s a proven champion and seems to know his role better. Also it’s harder to find 4s with his skills in todays league. Anyone can be a high usage chucker if allowed to be, and put up scoring numbers like Jaylen

Just a heads up. Not only does this guy have no idea what the f*** he’s talking about he also doesn’t represent the Celtic fan base as well.

Are you the representative for the fan base? It would be great just dealing with one person.

[Joshyjess]

Two low BBIQ players that are no longer above average defenders like they’re capable of being. I’d rather have Siakam because he’s a proven champion and seems to know his role better. Also it’s harder to find 4s with his skills in todays league. Anyone can be a high usage chucker if allowed to be, and put up scoring numbers like Jaylen

Just a heads up. Not only does this guy have no idea what the f*** he’s talking about he also doesn’t represent the Celtic fan base as well.

Are you the representative for the fan base? It would be great just dealing with one person.

That Bostoncouch guy pretty much hates all things Celtics. Whatever he says about Boston, you can almost assume the exact opposite.

[nikster]

I think his jump in playmaking has separated him from Jaylen Brown at this point

Why be a playmaker when your one of the best scorers in the league though ?

Supposedly 2 of the best scorers in the league leading the 21st best offense. Called out multiple times by teammates for selfish play.

If anyone should understand the importance of playmaking this season its Celtics fans

[Johnny Bball]

Just a heads up. Not only does this guy have no idea what the f*** he’s talking about he also doesn’t represent the Celtic fan base as well.

Are you the representative for the fan base? It would be great just dealing with one person.

That Bostoncouch guy pretty much hates all things Celtics. Whatever he says about Boston, you can almost assume the exact opposite.

We currently have about 5 trolls like that still allowed on our forum pretending to be raps fans.

[anotherhomer]

trolls pretending to be rap fans, egging on celtic fans......

they are two good players, who are close in values

it just depends on team composition and fit

[Gasolina]

Siakam can guard 5s and Brown can’t.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/r6wrxn/highlight_jaylen_brown_showing_what_it_takes_top/

That's some great off-ball defense on that possession. Doesn't really change the fact though that it is not Brown's usual assignment, nor does he guard 5s very often.

[srhcan]

If we do 2016 redraft now, Siakam will be picked before Brown.

[Fencer reregistered]

Two low BBIQ players that are no longer above average defenders like they’re capable of being. I’d rather have Siakam because he’s a proven champion and seems to know his role better. Also it’s harder to find 4s with his skills in todays league. Anyone can be a high usage chucker if allowed to be, and put up scoring numbers like Jaylen

Just a heads up. Not only does this guy have no idea what the f*** he’s talking about he also doesn’t represent the Celtic fan base as well.

Are you the representative for the fan base? It would be great just dealing with one person.

BCGM is probably the single troll most despised by posters in the Celtics forum.

[Blaze4G]

If we do 2016 redraft now, Siakam will be picked before Brown.

no. No one is drafting an older player vs a younger player that have pretty similar value. Right now both are on par imo...siakam playing a little better especially with playmaking but brown is younger and seems to have more potential.

[srhcan]

If we do 2016 redraft now, Siakam will be picked before Brown.

no. No one is drafting an older player vs a younger player that have pretty similar value. Right now both are on par imo...siakam playing a little better especially with playmaking but brown is younger and seems to have more potential.

but they dont have similar value. Siakam is better than Brown in every facet of game except 3P shooting. I cannot ignore all this evidence just because Brown is 2 years younger.

[SoulJah]

You forgot Jaylen being a far better defender. Brown destroyed him in their playoff matchup. It's close, but Jaylen's 2 years younger and the better 2 way player. You put Brown on the Raptors and he's a top ten scorer eg 27-30 ppg.

Brown's also missed 40%+ of the season with covid and then a hamstring issue.
Tatum+Brown are currently the best scoring duo in the NBA but they've played only 50% of the schedule together due to both having covid and injuries earlier this year.
They've also won 8 of their last 10.

You put brown on the raptors and nobody touches the ball. Siakam’s playmaking has been on another level this year.

If brown and Tatum are so good then why do they always underperform as a team? They’ve practically got the same record as a raptors team who have no bench and only have about 5 or 6 legit nba players. They get theirs but they impact the entire team negatively with their selfishness.

This. People don't realize, I think Jaylen Brown is a better player than Tatum but obviously less hyped but both of them are not winning type of players. They need a chris paul or a leader on the floor to distribute the ball for somebody like Jaylen Brown to look good because his focus is to get his own rather than make a winning play. Siakam on the other hand would get 20-10-5 and you'd think that he's been too passive all game... that's the difference, one is I gotta get my own, and second is how do I get everyone else to play better with me, and you can figure out who is who in this case.

[Zeno]

If they were both the same age and had the same contract, I'd call it even because of positional versatility of Pascal. I like Pascal better as a 2nd best guy and Jaylen better as a best guy. If you traded them for one another, I think both the Celtics and Raptors would be better teams. But as I said given age and contract Jaylen has more value right now.

[Parataxis]

Last year, it would have been Brown.

This year, it's Siakam. I'll take his better defense and playmaking over Brown's extra PPG.

Is Brown still on the same upwards improvement curve as Siakam is?