Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 2 - Can we get to first place?

[eddieheatfan]

SF Jimmy Butler SF/PF Caleb Martin SF/SG Max Strus
SG Duncan Robinson SG Tyler Herro SG/PG Victor Oladipo
PG Kyle Lowry PG Gabe Vincent

We are about to have a massive glut at the SF/SG spot. Something has got to give. Duncan needs to be traded for a PF.

My guess is Gabe is the first one to fall out of the rotation.

dipo has yet to prove himself. it would be a slap in the face to the gabe now that he's playing well

[DayofMourning]

SF Jimmy Butler SF/PF Caleb Martin SF/SG Max Strus
SG Duncan Robinson SG Tyler Herro SG/PG Victor Oladipo
PG Kyle Lowry PG Gabe Vincent

We are about to have a massive glut at the SF/SG spot. Something has got to give. Duncan needs to be traded for a PF.

My guess is Gabe is the first one to fall out of the rotation.

dipo has yet to prove himself. it would be a slap in the face to the gabe now that he's playing well

I agree. Gabe has been playing a whole lot better recently. He's up to 44% from the field and 38% from three after having a horrid shooting start to the year. He's become a very stable option at point for us.

[MettaWorldPanda]

My guess is Gabe is the first one to fall out of the rotation.

dipo has yet to prove himself. it would be a slap in the face to the gabe now that he's playing well

I agree. Gabe has been playing a whole lot better recently. He's up to 44% from the field and 38% from three after having a horrid shooting start to the year. He's become a very stable option at point for us.

The issue now comes who gets benched? Oladipo if looking healthy will probably be eased in with about 15-18 minutes a game. Where do those minutes come from? I feel like Gabe has etched himself into the rotation as the backup PG. Herro undoubtedly will be getting starters minutes upwards in the 30 minute range. You run into a situation now that Oladipo, Strus, Martin and Robinson are now fighting for minutes as the backup 2 and 3 for 4 players. I know most fawn about Herro coming off the bench but I guarantee you he wants to start deep down inside. If we trade Robinson for a 4 then we can insert Herro into the starting lineup and have Oladipo as the mircowave off the bench.

[greg4012]

The thing is Gabe was already out of the rotation just when each Lowry+Herro+Duncan+Butler+Strus were available at the same time.

[DayofMourning]

dipo has yet to prove himself. it would be a slap in the face to the gabe now that he's playing well

I agree. Gabe has been playing a whole lot better recently. He's up to 44% from the field and 38% from three after having a horrid shooting start to the year. He's become a very stable option at point for us.

The issue now comes who gets benched? Oladipo if looking healthy will probably be eased in with about 15-18 minutes a game. Where do those minutes come from? I feel like Gabe has etched himself into the rotation as the backup PG. Herro undoubtedly will be getting starters minutes upwards in the 30 minute range. You run into a situation now that Oladipo, Strus, Martin and Robinson are now fighting for minutes as the backup 2 and 3 for 4 players. I know most fawn about Herro coming off the bench but I guarantee you he wants to start deep down inside. If we trade Robinson for a 4 then we can insert Herro into the starting lineup and have Oladipo as the mircowave off the bench.

Duncan's deficiencies on D could likely get him moved, especially looking at the roster crunch. There's just no way you can vote for Duncan over Martin this year. Martin has been a two way wonder for us. Strus has been as well. You can't not give those two minutes.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The thing is Gabe was already out of the rotation just when each Lowry+Herro+Duncan+Butler+Strus were available at the same time.

He was out but I feel like he keeps giving Spo reminders on why he should be a staple every time he gets put back in.

[DayofMourning]

Yurt/Dedmon
Bam/Wood/Tucker
Butler/Martin
Strus/Herro/Dipo
Lowry/Gabe

That's crazy depth. 25 mpg for everyone!

[MettaWorldPanda]

Yurt/Dedmon
Bam/Wood/Tucker
Butler/Martin
Strus/Herro/Dipo
Lowry/Gabe

That's crazy depth. 25 mpg for everyone!

Dom I love ya buddy but no way in hell Spo is going with the Yurt/Bam front court. It took Tucker going down the last time with a short bench and he tried it for a whole 4 minutes before he pulled the plug and closed out very stressfully with Butler and Martin playing the 4.

[DayofMourning]

Yurt/Dedmon
Bam/Wood/Tucker
Butler/Martin
Strus/Herro/Dipo
Lowry/Gabe

That's crazy depth. 25 mpg for everyone!

Dom I love ya buddy but no way in hell Spo is going with the Yurt/Bam front court. It took Tucker going down the last time with a short bench and he tried it for a whole 4 minutes before he pulled the plug and closed out very stressfully with Butler and Martin playing the 4.

I hear ya man. That lineup is definitely my vision. I'd have Butler coming off the bench tbh.

[MettaWorldPanda]

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Who the heck says this guy sounds or comes off like Hassan Whiteside?????? WTF? Put this guy in our program and watch him be our next Chris Bosh.

[AirP.]

AirP, 5 Reasons said there was a 90% chance Herro gets moved last offseason..they dont know ****. Dipo was dying to come to Miami for years, he’ll be here as long as the team wants to have him.

I unfollowed their channel since last year. Almost of their contents are click-baits and fake news lol.

I only follow Tobin now for Heat content.

You have to understand that most and nearly all things being talked about by teams in trades never get done, so I'm good with hearing speculation that is built upon some truths to them. If you can figure out what some of those truths are, it's possible to have an idea what a team/owner/GM is thinking.

Riley is 77 in just over 2 months, we know he'd like to go out with another championship, so to me that points to what has been done, acquiring the best players the franchise can get with little to no thoughts about age for longevity which is another reason I don't expect Herro to be around much longer(by the time of his next contract, maybe earlier). If Riley could get LeBron for a package build around Butler or Bam he would do that in a heartbeat and who knows, maybe LeBron was angling for a return in the near future. If LA doesn't think they're a future contender this summer, why wouldn't LA think about cashing in LeBron and rebuild on the run with AD?

[Flash4thewin]

AirP, 5 Reasons said there was a 90% chance Herro gets moved last offseason..they dont know ****. Dipo was dying to come to Miami for years, he’ll be here as long as the team wants to have him.

I unfollowed their channel since last year. Almost of their contents are click-baits and fake news lol.

I only follow Tobin now for Heat content.

You have to understand that most and nearly all things being talked about by teams in trades never get done, so I'm good with hearing speculation that is built upon some truths to them. If you can figure out what some of those truths are, it's possible to have an idea what a team/owner/GM is thinking.

Riley is 77 in just over 2 months, we know he'd like to go out with another championship, so to me that points to what has been done, acquiring the best players the franchise can get with little to no thoughts about age for longevity which is another reason I don't expect Herro to be around much longer(by the time of his next contract, maybe earlier). If Riley could get LeBron for a package build around Butler or Bam he would do that in a heartbeat and who knows, maybe LeBron was angling for a return in the near future. If LA doesn't think they're a future contender this summer, why wouldn't LA think about cashing in LeBron and rebuild on the run with AD?

I agree with everything you said except LA rebuilding with AD. Pat believes in winning at all cost. Pat also knows that you win with star players. Pat wants to go out with a championship. We can find role players.

[Shewasfly]

So anyway. Back to speaking on real and helpful scenarios lol

I hope we do get one of Wood, Collins, or Turner. I am also still interested in Jonas like I mentioned awhile ago, even though defensively it is much tougher to see him as a fit. But any starting caliber stretch 5 so Bam can play 4 but the offense not suffer too much.

[AirP.]

I unfollowed their channel since last year. Almost of their contents are click-baits and fake news lol.

I only follow Tobin now for Heat content.

You have to understand that most and nearly all things being talked about by teams in trades never get done, so I'm good with hearing speculation that is built upon some truths to them. If you can figure out what some of those truths are, it's possible to have an idea what a team/owner/GM is thinking.

Riley is 77 in just over 2 months, we know he'd like to go out with another championship, so to me that points to what has been done, acquiring the best players the franchise can get with little to no thoughts about age for longevity which is another reason I don't expect Herro to be around much longer(by the time of his next contract, maybe earlier). If Riley could get LeBron for a package build around Butler or Bam he would do that in a heartbeat and who knows, maybe LeBron was angling for a return in the near future. If LA doesn't think they're a future contender this summer, why wouldn't LA think about cashing in LeBron and rebuild on the run with AD?

I agree with everything you said except LA rebuilding with AD. Pat believes in winning at all cost. Pat also knows that you win with star players. Pat wants to go out with a championship. We can find role players.

They could try to rebuild around AD, they could trade him for more but the Laker organization understands the importance of a dominate big men which AD can be.

Miami is fantastic at finding players it can utilize which not only points towards how good Miami's FO and Spoelstra are individually but also to their longevity together as a team so the FO knows what type of players Spoelstra will and won't use most of the time. Be thankful for what you have because Riley may not be in charge for much longer(although he'll probably still be consulted).

[AirP.]

Yurt/Dedmon
Bam/Wood/Tucker
Butler/Martin
Strus/Herro/Dipo
Lowry/Gabe

That's crazy depth. 25 mpg for everyone!

Dom I love ya buddy but no way in hell Spo is going with the Yurt/Bam front court. It took Tucker going down the last time with a short bench and he tried it for a whole 4 minutes before he pulled the plug and closed out very stressfully with Butler and Martin playing the 4.

I hear ya man. That lineup is definitely my vision. I'd have Butler coming off the bench tbh.

Why would you want your bench to be better then your starters?

[MettaWorldPanda]

Dom I love ya buddy but no way in hell Spo is going with the Yurt/Bam front court. It took Tucker going down the last time with a short bench and he tried it for a whole 4 minutes before he pulled the plug and closed out very stressfully with Butler and Martin playing the 4.

I hear ya man. That lineup is definitely my vision. I'd have Butler coming off the bench tbh.

Why would you want your bench to be better then your starters?

DOM’s just being cheeky Air

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Woods is one of the league leaders in contested 3 point shot and field goal attempts so the effort is there defensively

[greg4012]

You have to understand that most and nearly all things being talked about by teams in trades never get done, so I'm good with hearing speculation that is built upon some truths to them. If you can figure out what some of those truths are, it's possible to have an idea what a team/owner/GM is thinking.

Riley is 77 in just over 2 months, we know he'd like to go out with another championship, so to me that points to what has been done, acquiring the best players the franchise can get with little to no thoughts about age for longevity which is another reason I don't expect Herro to be around much longer(by the time of his next contract, maybe earlier). If Riley could get LeBron for a package build around Butler or Bam he would do that in a heartbeat and who knows, maybe LeBron was angling for a return in the near future. If LA doesn't think they're a future contender this summer, why wouldn't LA think about cashing in LeBron and rebuild on the run with AD?

I agree with everything you said except LA rebuilding with AD. Pat believes in winning at all cost. Pat also knows that you win with star players. Pat wants to go out with a championship. We can find role players.

They could try to rebuild around AD, they could trade him for more but the Laker organization understands the importance of a dominate big men which AD can be.

Miami is fantastic at finding players it can utilize which not only points towards how good Miami's FO and Spoelstra are individually but also to their longevity together as a team so the FO knows what type of players Spoelstra will and won't use most of the time. Be thankful for what you have because Riley may not be in charge for much longer(although he'll probably still be consulted).

Riley definitely drives everything. But there is also A LOT of institutional infrastructure in place that should continue humming well beyond Riley--especially because we don't have poisonous ownership.

I was actually recently wondering if a future James Jones reunion might be in the cards. On top of obviously winning a championship with the Heat, James Jones was born and raised in Miami and went to UM for college.

I'm obviously talking down the line here. I don't think Riley is going anywhere any time too soon. James Jones just got an extension and has a great thing going with Phoenix. But a tiger doesn't change its stripes (especially a billionaire), and IMO, Robert Sarver has shown enough toxicity that I wouldn't be surprised if things go sour there eventually.

[MettaWorldPanda]

C C Wood(stretch 5) 6’10 C D Dedmon 7’0 C UD 6’8
PF B Adebayo 6’9 PF PJ Tucker 6’5 PF/C M Morris 6’9
SF J Butler 6’7 SF C Martin 6’5 SF D Nwaba 6’5
SG T Herro 6’5 SG V Oladipo 6’4 SG/SF M Strus 6’5
PG K Lowry 6’1 PG G Vincent 6’3 PG K Guy 6’1

After Wood trade this depth chart is deep and ready for a chip. The bench defense is pure violence

[gom]

It might be a good time to remember that Riley is also a co-owner of the team. His first contract gifted him with 10%. He gained another 10% during the course of his deal.

I'm not really on board with Christian Wood. I agree that he's nothing like Whiteside, but seeing Bosh in his play is amber-colored glasses at least, maybe rose.

The Heat will be a tax team next season after Butler's extension, and the Heat will have to choose what to do with Herro, who I'm guessing will want a max deal but doesn't yet deserve one. Management of the finances going forward is going to be hard work.