If It Is To Be Said. So It Be. So It Is. The First Deadline Trade Thread.

[sully00]

Let's check the room temperature here. Who would you rather keep, Romeo or Nesmith? Me, Romeo. Romeo is already a competent defender, for starters. Seems to have a better feel for the game, imo, too.

Keep both, play both consistently and move Josh Richardson for a future 2nd round pick.

Why? What is the logic in moving an effective 28 year old who is under contract to simply clear space for guys who aren't as good as he is. This team needs more good players not to unload them to create playing time for guys who aren't good enough to earn it.

[Half-Full]

Keep both, play both consistently and move Josh Richardson for a future 2nd round pick.

Okay, the real question is, who do like better / feel like has a better future, think has a better chance to become a solid contributor / rotation piece. Fine if you don't feel like answering, or don't have a preference, too. I am just curious what the board thinks, since I have a clear preference.

I actually like Nesmith better but Romeo has grown on me this year. Nesmith just needs a steady opportunity where he is not looking over his shoulder every other play.

I like both players, but I'm not averse to trading one or both of them depending on what is coming back. Wouldn't be jazzed about trading either of them for Justin Holiday (or a similar veteran), though. Holiday's career stats are 9 pts and 3 rebounds in 24 minutes (since 2017-18 season Holiday has averaged 30 minutes of PT, and 10.5 pts). I feel pretty confident Nesmith and Romeo can give you that right now if they were getting 24-30 minutes of playing time. There is also the possibility that they could prove to be more impactful than Holiday, as they continue to develop their games. I would rather take a chance on developing their potential, than bringing in a 32 year old who likely will not be a difference maker.

[sully00]

Let's check the room temperature here. Who would you rather keep, Romeo or Nesmith? Me, Romeo. Romeo is already a competent defender, for starters. Seems to have a better feel for the game, imo, too.

Keep both, play both consistently and move Josh Richardson for a future 2nd round pick.

Future 2nd isn't remotely enough for me to part with him. His value is at its highest now, you don't settle for a nothing pick for him.

We don't have a lot of assets so if we're selling, we have to sell as high as possible on these guys...2nd rounders are probably enough for Dennis, but J Rich is playing way too well for me to settle for a 2nd rounder imo.

Also, I totally get the idea of selling for this team, barring a run here it probably makes sense, but I'm a firm believer that you have to be selling towards something...is it a third star like Beal or Fox? Or are we going to take the new "flexibility" we have and sign more mediocre free agents? Are we trying to duck the tax again next year? If we aren't selling towards a major upgrade, we might as well trade Tatum and Brown now and get it over with.

When we are blowing leads against the Blazers I get the frustration but the reality is the team is headed in the right direction when they are healthy as rare as that is.

Boston got Schroder for nothing there is no asset loss in just having him playout the season and moving on. There is actually multiple benefits to in fact doing that.

He makes the team better. This is going to keep Tatum and Brown happy and can help you in the post season.

If he moves on and gets a bigger paycheck other vet FA's may well want to follow suit and join Boston to rehab their market to get a bigger pay day.

His market may be exactly what it was last season in which case he might be just as well off signing in Boston for another year.

I would trade just about anyone if it makes the team better but making trades that make the team worse seems silly.

[Larry_Russell]

Keep both, play both consistently and move Josh Richardson for a future 2nd round pick.

Future 2nd isn't remotely enough for me to part with him. His value is at its highest now, you don't settle for a nothing pick for him.

We don't have a lot of assets so if we're selling, we have to sell as high as possible on these guys...2nd rounders are probably enough for Dennis, but J Rich is playing way too well for me to settle for a 2nd rounder imo.

Also, I totally get the idea of selling for this team, barring a run here it probably makes sense, but I'm a firm believer that you have to be selling towards something...is it a third star like Beal or Fox? Or are we going to take the new "flexibility" we have and sign more mediocre free agents? Are we trying to duck the tax again next year? If we aren't selling towards a major upgrade, we might as well trade Tatum and Brown now and get it over with.

When we are blowing leads against the Blazers I get the frustration but the reality is the team is headed in the right direction when they are healthy as rare as that is.

Boston got Schroder for nothing there is no asset loss in just having him playout the season and moving on. There is actually multiple benefits to in fact doing that.

He makes the team better. This is going to keep Tatum and Brown happy and can help you in the post season.

If he moves on and gets a bigger paycheck other vet FA's may well want to follow suit and join Boston to rehab their market to get a bigger pay day.

His market may be exactly what it was last season in which case he might be just as well off signing in Boston for another year.

I would trade just about anyone if it makes the team better but making trades that make the team worse seems silly.

Average seconds per touch
Tatum: 3.7
Smart: 3.5
BRown: 3.25
Richardson: 2.75



Schroder: 4.94

and he touches the ball the 2nd most on the team at 70.4 touches per game.

Ball moves better when he is out.

[sully00]

Future 2nd isn't remotely enough for me to part with him. His value is at its highest now, you don't settle for a nothing pick for him.

We don't have a lot of assets so if we're selling, we have to sell as high as possible on these guys...2nd rounders are probably enough for Dennis, but J Rich is playing way too well for me to settle for a 2nd rounder imo.

Also, I totally get the idea of selling for this team, barring a run here it probably makes sense, but I'm a firm believer that you have to be selling towards something...is it a third star like Beal or Fox? Or are we going to take the new "flexibility" we have and sign more mediocre free agents? Are we trying to duck the tax again next year? If we aren't selling towards a major upgrade, we might as well trade Tatum and Brown now and get it over with.

When we are blowing leads against the Blazers I get the frustration but the reality is the team is headed in the right direction when they are healthy as rare as that is.

Boston got Schroder for nothing there is no asset loss in just having him playout the season and moving on. There is actually multiple benefits to in fact doing that.

He makes the team better. This is going to keep Tatum and Brown happy and can help you in the post season.

If he moves on and gets a bigger paycheck other vet FA's may well want to follow suit and join Boston to rehab their market to get a bigger pay day.

His market may be exactly what it was last season in which case he might be just as well off signing in Boston for another year.

I would trade just about anyone if it makes the team better but making trades that make the team worse seems silly.

Average seconds per touch
Tatum: 3.7
Smart: 3.5
BRown: 3.25
Richardson: 2.75



Schroder: 4.94

and he touches the ball the 2nd most on the team at 70.4 touches per game.

Ball moves better when he is out.

He is the point guard for the team. Good thing he lets the ball roll down the floor or he would be over 5 secs and you would be all over his case.

Bottom line team is better with him on the floor, he leads the team in assist % has one of the lower turnover %'s on the team. I like Pritchard but I think if you move Schroder off this ball club and gave his mins to Pritchard the team is going to struggle. You would be making the team worse.

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ball goes rolly rolly rolly roll 7.12 seconds

[Celts17Pride]

ball goes rolly rolly rolly roll 7.12 seconds

at all the wrong times

Celtics up 50 points with 5 minutes left and Schroder is letting the ball roll past mid court. Your team is up, pick up the ball and keep the clock moving!

[zoyathedestroya]

Super random...

This includes last season:
When Nesmith plays 18+ minutes: 3FG% is 35.4%
When Nesmith plays < 18 minutes: 3FG% is 29.9%

Maybe he's the type of player who needs to warm up on the floor and get his touches (not even shots) then his shooting will follow. There are guys who can shoot cold from the bench. There are guys who need time to get comfortable. Maybe he's the latter.

Personally not worried. His energy and hustle alone can turn him into a productive player. Hoping for more reps for him in near future.

[pac213up]

Let's check the room temperature here. Who would you rather keep, Romeo or Nesmith? Me, Romeo. Romeo is already a competent defender, for starters. Seems to have a better feel for the game, imo, too.

Nesmith. High energy guy with the potential to become a real 3 pt threat. Romeo just does not have much upside from what I have seen.

[bfchs123]

Super random...

This includes last season:
When Nesmith plays 18+ minutes: 3FG% is 35.4%
When Nesmith plays < 18 minutes: 3FG% is 29.9%

Maybe he's the type of player who needs to warm up on the floor and get his touches (not even shots) then his shooting will follow. There are guys who can shoot cold from the bench. There are guys who need time to get comfortable. Maybe he's the latter.

Personally not worried. His energy and hustle alone can turn him into a productive player. Hoping for more reps for him in near future.

I don't think it's random - it's a lot to ask someone to come off the bench cold without a defined role in limited minutes/garbage time and be a sharpshooter. Pritchard's shooting also dramatically improved back to last season levels when he was given an actual role/minutes

[Boss66]

Looks like we inquired on Theis - https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/nba-trade-rumors-celtics-showed-interest-daniel-theis-reunion

And this fits right in with the Smart debate https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/marcus-smart-celtics-toughest-nba-trade-deadline-decision

[RickyDizzle]

Looks like we inquired on Theis - https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/nba-trade-rumors-celtics-showed-interest-daniel-theis-reunion

And this fits right in with the Smart debate https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/marcus-smart-celtics-toughest-nba-trade-deadline-decision

Horford, schroede for Theis, Gordon, and Houstons 2nd is something I would do. Gives them a lot of salary relief.

[Larry_Russell]

When we are blowing leads against the Blazers I get the frustration but the reality is the team is headed in the right direction when they are healthy as rare as that is.

Boston got Schroder for nothing there is no asset loss in just having him playout the season and moving on. There is actually multiple benefits to in fact doing that.

He makes the team better. This is going to keep Tatum and Brown happy and can help you in the post season.

If he moves on and gets a bigger paycheck other vet FA's may well want to follow suit and join Boston to rehab their market to get a bigger pay day.

His market may be exactly what it was last season in which case he might be just as well off signing in Boston for another year.

I would trade just about anyone if it makes the team better but making trades that make the team worse seems silly.

Average seconds per touch
Tatum: 3.7
Smart: 3.5
BRown: 3.25
Richardson: 2.75



Schroder: 4.94

and he touches the ball the 2nd most on the team at 70.4 touches per game.

Ball moves better when he is out.

He is the point guard for the team. Good thing he lets the ball roll down the floor or he would be over 5 secs and you would be all over his case.

Bottom line team is better with him on the floor, he leads the team in assist % has one of the lower turnover %'s on the team. I like Pritchard but I think if you move Schroder off this ball club and gave his mins to Pritchard the team is going to struggle. You would be making the team worse.

The team has better lineups without him.

Tatum, smart, brown, grant, timelord, and richardson all have better offensice rating

Nesmith, brown, tatum, horford, timelord, romeo all have defensive rating

Horford, pritchard and smart all have a better assist to turnover ratio and assist ratio

The only player with a slower pace than schroder is timelord(add that to holding the ball 1.5 seconds more per possession than the better point guard(smart) means the team will struggle.

I get the argument that schroder is better than pritchard in a bubble, and I agree.

But its better for the team now and in the future to roll with pritch off the bench and see if he develops as well as collect the assets from a dennis trade.

[Larry_Russell]

Looks like we inquired on Theis - https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/nba-trade-rumors-celtics-showed-interest-daniel-theis-reunion

And this fits right in with the Smart debate https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/marcus-smart-celtics-toughest-nba-trade-deadline-decision

Horford, schroede for Theis, Gordon, and Houstons 2nd is something I would do. Gives them a lot of salary relief.

Easily do that deal.

[bisme37]

Did someone mention MY GUY THEIS??

[CelticFaninLBC]

Looks like we inquired on Theis - https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/nba-trade-rumors-celtics-showed-interest-daniel-theis-reunion

And this fits right in with the Smart debate https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/marcus-smart-celtics-toughest-nba-trade-deadline-decision

Maybe Gordon & Theis for Horford and another asset, or Horford goes to a 3rd team and send HOU an asset..

[CelticFaninLBC]

Looks like we inquired on Theis - https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/nba-trade-rumors-celtics-showed-interest-daniel-theis-reunion

And this fits right in with the Smart debate https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/marcus-smart-celtics-toughest-nba-trade-deadline-decision

Horford, schroede for Theis, Gordon, and Houstons 2nd is something I would do. Gives them a lot of salary relief.

Around $14m of cap relief next year, but they still don't have cap space due Wall's enormous deal.

Around $9m in cap relief for 2023-2024, since Gordon has a non-guaranteed deal. Gordon has played well this year, so they'll likely want more than cap relief.

[jeremym480]

I'm not a big fan of doing four-team deals but what the hell... if the Clippers really are interested in Wall then:


*sort out some 2nds are something accordingly

[RickyDizzle]

I'm not a big fan of doing four-team deals but what the hell... if the Clippers really are interested in Wall then:


*sort out some 2nds are something accordingly

Thats... pretty solid actually. You start reading 4 team trade and my eyes start rolling for a 2K trade, but actually this is pretty solid. We'd have a bit of a glut of wings, but you move Tatum up to the 4 and probably still unload Schroeder. I think Tatum, Brown, Richardson, and Kennard is a lot of wings who all make 10 mil+ with Romeo, Nesmith extra buried, but I still like this team better after this trade. Best part is you don't have to pay Horford 14 million to not be on the team next year.

[Curmudgeon]

LOL, turn Horford into Theis and Kennard and save $5M off this year's cap? Sign me up! Alas, this trade is just a fantasy, not a woj bomb.