Fool Me Twice: The Gordon Hayward Thread

[KingCat]

I get it sucks that Gordon got hurt this year, but we have to remember he is under contract for the next three years. He proved when healthy he is a borderline allstar this year, not sure why so many are ready to write him out of our plans.

Galinari is nearly 2 full years older than Gordon and he was a huge piece of them making a run to ECF. If we make a run in the playoffs next year I’m sure Gordon will be a big reason why.

Hayward has unfortunately become the kinda of player that you have to plan around them missing atleast 30% of the season.

[SWedd523]

I get it sucks that Gordon got hurt this year, but we have to remember he is under contract for the next three years. He proved when healthy he is a borderline allstar this year, not sure why so many are ready to write him out of our plans.

Galinari is nearly 2 full years older than Gordon and he was a huge piece of them making a run to ECF. If we make a run in the playoffs next year I’m sure Gordon will be a big reason why.

Hayward has unfortunately become the kinda of player that you have to plan around them missing atleast 30% of the season.

While still planning to pay 100% of his salary

[luciano-davidwesley]

I get it sucks that Gordon got hurt this year, but we have to remember he is under contract for the next three years. He proved when healthy he is a borderline allstar this year, not sure why so many are ready to write him out of our plans.

Galinari is nearly 2 full years older than Gordon and he was a huge piece of them making a run to ECF. If we make a run in the playoffs next year I’m sure Gordon will be a big reason why.

Hayward has unfortunately become the kinda of player that you have to plan around them missing atleast 30% of the season.

While still planning to pay 100% of his salary

And a Batum stretch!

[Braggins]

Hayward has unfortunately become the kinda of player that you have to plan around them missing atleast 30% of the season.

While still planning to pay 100% of his salary

And a Batum stretch!

They're paying like a million per game for Hayward so far lol

[HornetJail]

Hayward has unfortunately become the kinda of player that you have to plan around them missing atleast 30% of the season.

While still planning to pay 100% of his salary

And a Batum stretch!

This summer and next are where this move REALLY hurt. We're paying Hayward just south of $40M for all intents and purposes.

Imagine going into this offseason with $55M in cap space and like the 6th-8th best odds at a top pick (similar odds at the top 4 as last season), and everyone not named Rozier being on a rookie scale contract. As good as Hayward has been when healthy, we were so.damn.close. to nailing this rebuild, and I really wish Mitch had just stuck with the plan.

At least Hayward is a damn good player so this isn't some Deng/Mozgov situation, but the signing didn't make sense and it doesn't now either. If it's just an asset grab and we're trying to make a move for Turner+Lamb or Wiseman+Wiggins by attaching this year's pick, then great job Mitch, but I doubt he did it with that in mind.

[Benjamin Linus]

Just kinda randomly looking over some stats from the season and one thing I noticed is that we need to get Hayward some more catch & shoot looks

Here's our catch & shoot stats from three this season per game. For context Hayward played the same mpg as Rozier and four more mpg than Graham and PJ

Hayward - 45.3% on 3.2 attempts
Rozier - 43.4% on 5.4 attempts
Graham - 42.3% on 5.3 attempts
Monk - 41.6% on 3.0 attempts
PJ - 39.6% on 3.9 attempts
Ball - 39.3% on 2.9 attempts
Bridges - 38.8% on 3.0 attempts
McDaniels - 35% on 2.1 attempts
Cody M - 26.4% on 1.0 attempts
Caleb M - 25.5% on 2.0 attempts
Wannamaker - 22.4% on 0.8 attempts

[JMAC3]

Rescuing the Gordon Hayward thread from page 3 of topics....

I was looking back through game logs from last year and Borrego was relying too much on Hayward minutes wise especially early in the season. In 44 games played last season, he played 38 or more minutes 12 times. 34 or more minutes 27 times...

I would love to see him more in the 28-32 mpg on a nightly basis with the addition of Oubre and the growth of Miles late last season. That and maybe even resting him on back-to-backs when we play 3 games in 4 days or some random tough scheduling moments. If we can get 66 or more games out of him and have him healthy for the playoffs we are such a better team.

[Chapelchilla]

Rescuing the Gordon Hayward thread from page 3 of topics....

I was looking back through game logs from last year and Borrego was relying too much on Hayward minutes wise especially early in the season. In 44 games played last season, he played 38 or more minutes 12 times. 34 or more minutes 27 times...

I would love to see him more in the 28-32 mpg on a nightly basis with the addition of Oubre and the growth of Miles late last season. That and maybe even resting him on back-to-backs when we play 3 games in 4 days or some random tough scheduling moments. If we can get 66 or more games out of him and have him healthy for the playoffs we are such a better team.

You are absolutely correct. We need to cut down his time on court now that we have better back ups (Oubre > Cody). That should help him stay healthy and get Oubre his minutes too.

[fatlever]

50 - 39 with Hayward
9 - 21 without

Why?
Leadership?
Mid range helps vs chaos of 3s falling
Size, strength at forward
None of this is relevant. Trade him.

Personally, I think he is criminally underrated by many Hornets fans.

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[JMAC3]

I think just because he gives another guy to run actions for on offense. 1/3 pick and rolls. post ups on fastbreak mismatches. smart cutter.

We miss his offensive feel and he also can play at a different pace than Melo and Rozier who usually are moving a million miles an hour once they get the ball.

[yosemiteben]

I think there's some lack of context on those win loss records, since he and LaMelo both missed a bunch of time last year and we lost a ton of games as a result.

[fatlever]

theres always context, its just one piece of puzzle.

[Liver_Pooty]

He calms **** down when it gets out of control and everyone else is pedal to the metal trying to score 50 in a quarter while giving up 50. It's not that he's an incredible player. Good, sure. It's just his calming influence. Even the way he plays is calming.

[amcoolio]

Need a new name for the Gordo thread

[JMAC3]

He just gives another guy who can win games. When he is out, if Terry or LaMelo are ice cold we can get through it most nights because he can pick up scoring load.

We only need 3 of Terry, LaMelo, Oubre, Bridges and Hayward to play good to win most nights. So two can be off that night and still win.

With one of those guys out, if 2 play bad that means only 2 played well and that is almost always going to be a loss.

[luciano-davidwesley]

I still stand by the initial takes on page 1. Lets see if we are still all as bullish on Hayward in 12-18 months when we need to start reducing payroll and he's declining. You'd hope the team had a better win/loss record with him seeing as though we effectively committed $37 million in salary per year to him.

[Liver_Pooty]

I still stand by the initial takes on page 1. Lets see if we are still all as bullish on Hayward in 12-18 months when we need to start reducing payroll and he's declining. You'd hope the team had a better win/loss record with him seeing as though we effectively committed $37 million in salary per year to him.

His game isn't predicated on athleticism. He'll be fine unless his ankle twist 90 degrees again.

[BigSlam]

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[Chapelchilla]

I still stand by the initial takes on page 1. Lets see if we are still all as bullish on Hayward in 12-18 months when we need to start reducing payroll and he's declining. You'd hope the team had a better win/loss record with him seeing as though we effectively committed $37 million in salary per year to him.

Those numbers are not at all accurate. He will be getting under 30 a year in 2023-4, his last year on the deal. That is IF he is still here. Next year we can afford to resign Bridges and the following year Haywards contract dollars/cap space will go to LaMelo, easy transition of the moola. His deal is completely fair for what he brings to the team currently and his play has been steady and almost always good/great. It is crazy that he gets thrown into every bad trade offer we discuss and his thread went like 6 months without a post, lol. We would suck without him.

[Chapelchilla]

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and there we go...... Hopefully we can beat the injury riddled Pacers tonight without him but we may be headed for really bad stretch that shows how valuable Hayward is to this team.