Knicks - Heat PG: Another L

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

. I understood the attraction of Thibs which fit in with the plan of hiring Leon and WWW to attract the big FAs (KD and Kyrie?). But that strategy hasn't panned out ... at all. The big FAs haven't come here because of Leon's and Wes's contacts and we haven't attracted the big FAs. Both Randle and Thibs need to go at the end of the season and we need to start from scratch. Again.

The failed attracting of KD and KI was the year before - completely on the Pills/Fiz/all black FO&coach, nothing to do with Leon and WWW.

[Marty McFly]

I much rather tank then see this disaster happen.

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you're not getting anyone better, higher ceiling than Zion by tanking. not for at least a couple of drafts.

[Polk377]

It's time to pull the plug on whatever this is right now. The Knicks tried to recreate the chemistry of last season and it's just not working. There is no shame in that. It would be a disaster if they keep running this starting unit game after game though. We have a really solid group of kids right now. RJ, Obi, Mitch, Cam, IQ, Grimes, McBride and even Sims has shown flashes. Get rid of as many of these vet contracts as they can before the deadline and get as many high potential kids and draft picks as they can.

[Im Coming Home]

Good look from Randle being 20 feet away from the huddle and rest of the team

[KnixtapeH20]

i was against the signing of tom from its very beginnings. julius might be the most frustrating knicks player i've ever watched.

that said - if i have to suffer through 1 more minute of kemba/fornier starting backcourt i'm cancelling my internet and going on a nun pilgrimage

I'll meet u somewhere halfway during my monk pilgrimage and we can laugh how we no longer have anymore cares about the knicks

[Oscirus]

Im not even mad or disappointed at this I called it earlier.
I forgot to account for julius trying to go ham on national tv but jesus.

Also the front office got to answer for this team. Leon rose has been here for two years and he has still yet to have gotten us a pg but hey we upgraded our sg position smh

[HarthorneWingo]

. I understood the attraction of Thibs which fit in with the plan of hiring Leon and WWW to attract the big FAs (KD and Kyrie?). But that strategy hasn't panned out ... at all. The big FAs haven't come here because of Leon's and Wes's contacts and we haven't attracted the big FAs. Both Randle and Thibs need to go at the end of the season and we need to start from scratch. Again.

The failed attracting of KD and KI was the year before - completely on the Pills/Fiz/all black FO&coach, nothing to do with Leon and WWW.

Well, my point still stands. Even if it wasn't KD and Kyrie, that's the reason why they were brought in. Just like when the Mets foolishly hired CAA sports agent supreme Brodie Van Wegeman to GM the Mets. Complete failure. In fact, he set the franchise back with that trade for Robinson Cano.

[ibraheim718]

Reddish gives me bad vibes.. he was trying way too hard to look cool tonight. I think it was that meatball SVG who said he should at least hustle a little.

I turned off the game well before the time Reddish came in. I can't believe you stuck it out.

I actually flipped over to the game after the Magic game ended. I watched a lot of Atlanta last year so I'm familiar with him.

I watch the Magic the most.. then the Knicks.. then Atlanta and Dallas.. a little bit of Denver until Murray comes back and then I'll watch them a bunch more and I'll watch a few Warrior games so I have a diverse group of teams and players to watch right now. I may also watch a Net game here or there too. Are you just watching these bums?

[B8RcDeMktfxC]

i was against the signing of tom from its very beginnings. julius might be the most frustrating knicks player i've ever watched.

that said - if i have to suffer through 1 more minute of kemba/fornier starting backcourt i'm cancelling my internet and going on a nun pilgrimage

I'll meet u somewhere halfway during my monk pilgrimage and we can laugh how we no longer have anymore cares about the knicks

Sounds like it's going to be something out of the Canterbury tales

[GONYK]

Reddish gives me bad vibes.. he was trying way too hard to look cool tonight. I think it was that meatball SVG who said he should at least hustle a little.

Jeff was doing the commentary tonight and he lambasted Reddish for his shot selection and lack of hustle.

Basically said Cam is doing nothing to earn time in his limited mins

[HarthorneWingo]

I much rather tank then see this disaster happen.

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you're not getting anyone better, higher ceiling than Zion by tanking. not for at least a couple of drafts.

Do you think that that's the move the FO should be looking at? Then what do we do about Obi? Trade him too? It's much too early even to think about Zion until he plays at least 20 straight games without any pain or setbacks.

[G_K_F]

Averages more points in the clutch than, Giannis Paul George, Luka, Booker, Towns, James Harden, Donovan Mitchell, etc.

He also shoots the 3rd highest 3pt% at 63.6% and shoots 75% from the line in the clutch

Give him the keys already

And that’s exactly why these random stats are a joke.

They're not 'random' claiming they're random just to try and throw away the stat is stupid.

This isn't some bull stats thrown together like the classic Thaddeus Young one.

Its FG% in clutch time(2 mins left) in a close game(5 or less point game).

How is this 'random' it literally defines what a clutch bucket is.

So by the definition of this stat you’re taking RJ Barrett on your team to take the shots in the last 2 minutes over perennial all star players. If RJ was playing Booker, Giannis, etc, you want RJ taking that shot over them.

[HarthorneWingo]

Reddish gives me bad vibes.. he was trying way too hard to look cool tonight. I think it was that meatball SVG who said he should at least hustle a little.

I turned off the game well before the time Reddish came in. I can't believe you stuck it out.

I actually flipped over to the game after the Magic game ended. I watched a lot of Atlanta last year so I'm familiar with him.

I watch the Magic the most.. then the Knicks.. then Atlanta and Dallas.. a little bit of Denver until Murray comes back and then I'll watch them a bunch more and I'll watch a few Warrior games so I have a diverse group of teams and players to watch right now. I may also watch a Net game here or there too. Are you just watching these bums?

Maybe we should make you the POBO. I like you much better than Leon anyhow.

Are you still in NM?

[KnixtapeH20]

Other than being 3rd in FG% in the ENTIRE NBA for clutch time shots I guess RJ really isn’t that clutch at all

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=FG_PCT&dir=-1&CF=FGA*G*1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Yeah, you know when I think of big shots in the NBA my mind goes directly to RJ Barrett.

You guys reach so hard for **** sometimes it sad. You make it hard to root for a guy like RJ with the constant ball washing. Acting like the dude is Paul Pierce out there with his clutch factor.

Just because you're ignorant to the facts doesn't mean its a reach...

The only guy who's reaching is you. You're trying to throw away this stat as if its 'random' its not, its literally field goal percentage in a close game, with 2 mins or less left in the game aka clutch time.

Just take the L man... you lost this one, you've been proven wrong by about 5 people and this stat now. You're trying to do the 'lalalala i can't hear you' schtick now and trying to just throw away this stat and proof just because you don't think of RJ as clutch because you're misinformed.

Well damn.

Facts tho

[G_K_F]

Other than being 3rd in FG% in the ENTIRE NBA for clutch time shots I guess RJ really isn’t that clutch at all

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=FG_PCT&dir=-1&CF=FGA*G*1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

Yeah, you know when I think of big shots in the NBA my mind goes directly to RJ Barrett.

You guys reach so hard for **** sometimes it sad. You make it hard to root for a guy like RJ with the constant ball washing. Acting like the dude is Paul Pierce out there with his clutch factor.

Just because you're ignorant to the facts doesn't mean its a reach...

The only guy who's reaching is you. You're trying to throw away this stat as if its 'random' its not, its literally field goal percentage in a close game, with 2 mins or less left in the game aka clutch time.

Just take the L man... you lost this one, you've been proven wrong by about 5 people and this stat now. You're trying to do the 'lalalala i can't hear you' schtick now and trying to just throw away this stat and proof just because you don't think of RJ as clutch because you're misinformed.

Only in your fantasy world do you want RJ Barrett taking clutch shots in the last 2 minutes over All stars and future hall of famers. When you present a stat like this without context it’s comical. You can continue to repeat yourself - it doesn’t make it a reality.

[Oscirus]

was internet watching and cam didnt seem impressive. did he at least look the part?

[Marty McFly]

I much rather tank then see this disaster happen.

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you're not getting anyone better, higher ceiling than Zion by tanking. not for at least a couple of drafts.

Do you think that that's the move the FO should be looking at? Then what do we do about Obi? Trade him too? It's much too early even to think about Zion until he plays at least 20 straight games without any pain or setbacks.

I've been saying it's the move since we missed out on the first pick in that draft and drafted RJ. are there injury concerns, yeah. but Zion is 21. this isn't the 90's where guys get hurt and their careers are changed forever.

he has 85 games underneath his belt. statistically, he's trending to be a perennial MVP candidate; not just an All-Star, but an MVP candidate. it's the obvious move to try and make. otherwise what's the alternative? we've been on a treadmill for since '73.

[evevale]

Me too! I wanted us to keep Mike Miller who made excellent progress with the team after being promoted from the G-League Westchester Knicks, where he was COTY the season before with us, in midseason. What other NBA head coach assumed responsibility over a team coming from the G-League in midseason and had ANY success? I'm not aware of any.

The only gripe with Miller from this forum was that he played the starters too much when the season was over for us. But, at that point, he was just trying to show the front office that he could coach the vets and get them to play better, which he did. Coach Miller was a developmental coach. But just like the Knicks of years gone by, we jumped too soon on a veteran win-now coach when the team wasn't ready to win now. I understood the attraction of Thibs which fit in with the plan of hiring Leon and WWW to attract the big FAs (KD and Kyrie?). But that strategy hasn't panned out ... at all. The big FAs haven't come here because of Leon's and Wes's contacts and we haven't attracted the big FAs. Both Randle and Thibs need to go at the end of the season and we need to start from scratch. Again.

i appreciated mike and i'm happy he has a job in the nba now but i wanted to ride it out for another year w/ fiz. he had us losing at such beautiful efficiency and it looked like he was going to get julius sent to shanghai. a couple years of top picks with that moron at the helm, fire him and then a proper rebuild. but of course ... tom.

do i want him fired? i'd be lying if i said no but at the same time there is still this tiny flicker of hope (or maybe guilt?) that whispers to me in my darkest moments maybe if the team wasn't complete **** he could make them watchable

who knows, time will tell

i was against the signing of tom from its very beginnings. julius might be the most frustrating knicks player i've ever watched.

that said - if i have to suffer through 1 more minute of kemba/fornier starting backcourt i'm cancelling my internet and going on a nun pilgrimage

I'll meet u somewhere halfway during my monk pilgrimage and we can laugh how we no longer have anymore cares about the knicks

oh no, i'll always care about my knicks family - i just won't watch anymore

[cgmw]

I still don’t understand how you go from all nba second team to one of the worst in the league without an injury or a completely dysfunctional environment. And even then it’s hard to do lol. He’s worse than his 1st season here.

He’s gotta give the perimeter play a break unless he’s taking a spot up shot. Make the game simple for him again

nah not the Knicks, couldn’t be

seems to be the exact same environment that helped him have a career year. Same staff, same front office, hasn’t been a lot of drama in the media besides the drama Julius created him self lol

You’re forgetting the part where the Knicks paid him $100mm and then paid more money for Fournier and Walker because, you know, we’re building a “win now” contender or whatever.

Also, not to be a d*ck but it’s completely dysfunctional to allow Randle’s 5 year old to sit courtside during sold-out games with 20,000 rabid fans and MSG cameras cutting to the kid like a mascot after every Randle highlight.

Enabling his sulking with the media. Enabling his bad habits by benching Obi. Enabling him at every step except for letting Elfrid Payton go.

[TrueWarrior]

Reddish gives me bad vibes.. he was trying way too hard to look cool tonight. I think it was that meatball SVG who said he should at least hustle a little.

Jeff was doing the commentary tonight and he lambasted Reddish for his shot selection and lack of hustle.

Basically said Cam is doing nothing to earn time in his limited mins

Cam is the type to drive us cray. Been sayin that. A worthwhile gamble if he can actually play some mins, but he’ll be very lucky to be as good as Tim Thomas. Dude is Qyntel Woods until proven otherwise lol.

Imagine if Cam had Grimes’ attitude? Well he wouldn’t have been traded in that case I guess. Hoping for the best tho! He looks fun to watch at least, even if he does some wacky things out there.