Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Adams Traded to Raiders for 2022 1st and 2nd Rd Picks

Post #181 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:55 pm

I know Denver has a couple nice WRs, but it would strike me as odd if Rodgers would agree to any deal that takes weapons away from him.

M-C-G · Post #182 » by **M-C-G** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:14 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I know Denver has a couple nice WRs, but it would strike me as odd if Rodgers would agree to any deal that takes weapons away from him.

While I agree, if they are serious about having Adams come with him, a Jeudy, Adams, Sutton, Fant, Hamilton, Tim Patrick is kind of an over the top number of guys. So I am guessing, if it cost Jeudy and maybe one other guy to get Adams there with him, I doubt he is going to let that hold things up.

Dennis Reynolds · Post #183 » by **Dennis Reynolds** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:40 pm

Spoiler:

I feel like I've said this 10 times already but I'll guess I'll do it again. My point is that McCarthy is probably the worst coach in the league and MLF being better pretty much by default doesn't make him all that great. And again, I'm not giving MFL much of the credit for Rodgers' resurgence cause in his 1st year under MLF, Rodgers had one of the worst seasons of his career. When it comes to all pro nods, Rodgers had a great season in 2016 after a rough start and was unlucky not to get it due to better competition and a worse team record than in recent years, missed most of the 2017 season due to injury and played injured in 2018 on a team with a horrible record so saying he hasn't gotten any all pro nods since 2014 while true also comes across as pretty insincere.

What you and most of this board are doing is giving MLF most of the credit for every good thing that happens and almost none of the blame for any of the mistakes we see on the field which is exactly my issue with the guy. Same goes for the regular season vs the playoff games performance where he is again the only one that gets let off the hook. You guys say he deserves benefit of the doubt due to his regular season record but at the same time you'll go after guys who underperform in the playoffs relative to their regular season play. You can't have it both ways. Not to mention our regular season record has looked way better than our play in every single season aside from 2020. That 2019 season record for example was a complete joke and a perfect example of how much luck and schedule matter in the NFL. We basically got every break going our way that season which is the complete opposite of how the 2018 season went but all we hear is how MLF took a 6 win team and led them to 13 wins while completely ingnoring all the context.

Getting back to our postseason performances, we barely got past the Seahawks at Lambeau despite having 28-10 lead in the middle of the 3rd. In that game the defense came up clutch, Adams dominated and Rodgers suddenly remembered how to play football again and even came up clutch late himself to ice the game. Other than that win, we beat the Jared Goff led Rams in a game where defense allowed 18 points. Those 2 games are the only wins on MLF's playoff resume and he barely gets any phucking blame for all the disappointments. The only thing he's actually done well in the playoffs is keeping Aaron Donald in check but unfortunately it pales in comparison to all the other costly mishaps we've seen happen since he's been here, the 49ers game being the perfect example of it.

tl;dr version
MLF needs to stop getting babied cause he has proven basically nothing.

Daver · Post #184 » by **Daver** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 7:52 pm

agree with you im tired of MLF after every big game saying it was his fault for not calling a better game.That 49er game is all on him zero adjustments no motion absolute garbage O game plan.Same as mast years ship games and many of the games this season..
Rodgers gets all the blame but MLFs questionable decision on the oline his head scratching play calling yes he deserves alot of blame.
Hell people wanted bud fired for his failures in the playoffs this is MLFs 3rd straight year of being outcoached and sh.... on himself during the game

Matches Malone · Post #185 » by **Matches Malone** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:01 pm

M-C-G wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:I know Denver has a couple nice WRs, but it would strike me as odd if Rodgers would agree to any deal that takes weapons away from him.

While I agree, if they are serious about having Adams come with him, a Jeudy, Adams, Sutton, Fant, Hamilton, Tim Patrick is kind of an over the top number of guys. So I am guessing, if it cost Jeudy and maybe one other guy to get Adams there with him, I doubt he is going to let that hold things up.

They'll also have KJ Hamler coming back from injury. I'd be pretty bummed if we couldn't get Jeudy, IF Adams truly ends up going with Rodgers to Denver.

M-C-G · Post #186 » by **M-C-G** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:19 pm

Dennis Reynolds wrote:MLF needs to stop getting babied cause he has proven basically nothing.

I've been fairly critical of MLF and personally (so I am going to assume you don't actually mean to point to me individually with the babying MLF) pretty fair with giving credit and blame to both he and Rodgers.

I've complained about the KC gameplan, I complained about not running any of our misdirection stuff, I've been critical of not using players nearly enough with regards to personnel, I complained about his ST hires, I've been critical about not keeping the pedal down when we are up, I've complained about the wasted timeouts we do because he and Rodgers can't get on the same page. So I've be about as objective as I can be, but I can look around the league and see a lot of other terrible coaches, like lots of them.

So I think it is pretty insincere to regard MLF as a bottom tier coach.

With regard to picking the 2014 date on Rodgers, it is what it is, literally the last time he had an all pro season like he has done the last two under MLF.

Post #187 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:20 pm

I might actually prefer a 2nd to getting Jeudy.

Daver · Post #188 » by **Daver** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:31 pm

Matches Malone wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:I know Denver has a couple nice WRs, but it would strike me as odd if Rodgers would agree to any deal that takes weapons away from him.

While I agree, if they are serious about having Adams come with him, a Jeudy, Adams, Sutton, Fant, Hamilton, Tim Patrick is kind of an over the top number of guys. So I am guessing, if it cost Jeudy and maybe one other guy to get Adams there with him, I doubt he is going to let that hold things up.

They'll also have KJ Hamler coming back from injury. I'd be pretty bummed if we couldn't get Jeudy, IF Adams truly ends up going with Rodgers to Denver.

Last year already i read jeurdy chubb or fant 2 1sts 1 2nd for rodgers add adams your looking at 3 1sts 1 2nd and 1 more player

Post #189 » by **MickeyDavis** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:33 pm

The OL decision was a head scratcher. And although MLF has the final say he wouldn't have made that decision if Stenavich didn't also agree with it.

Ron Swanson · Post #190 » by **Ron Swanson** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:34 pm

I'll still pin a lot of last year's NFCCG loss on LaFleur's absolutely gutless decision to kick the FG instead of going for it, but how on earth are you going to say he got "outcoached" in this one? For all the talk about how much of a play-calling "genius" Kyle Shanahan is, dude has a 39-42 regular season record and the Niners scored a whopping 6-points while barely cobbling together 200 yards of total offense. If MLF isn't one of the 5 best coaches in the league, then what the hell does that make an overrated bum like Shanahan?

M-C-G · Post #191 » by **M-C-G** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:38 pm

Matches Malone wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:I know Denver has a couple nice WRs, but it would strike me as odd if Rodgers would agree to any deal that takes weapons away from him.

While I agree, if they are serious about having Adams come with him, a Jeudy, Adams, Sutton, Fant, Hamilton, Tim Patrick is kind of an over the top number of guys. So I am guessing, if it cost Jeudy and maybe one other guy to get Adams there with him, I doubt he is going to let that hold things up.

They'll also have KJ Hamler coming back from injury. I'd be pretty bummed if we couldn't get Jeudy, IF Adams truly ends up going with Rodgers to Denver.

Ah, that is who I was thinking when I said Hamilton. I actually think Patrick as a 'throw in' would be a guy they would like here. Seems like a does the dirty work kind of player.

Profound23 · Post #192 » by **Profound23** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:43 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:The OL decision was a head scratcher. And although MLF has the final say he wouldn't have made that decision if Stenavich didn't also agree with it.

Agreed....that made no sense at all. Yosh was playing so well at LT all year....leave him there and put Turner or whoever the hell else you want at RT.

I would love Meinerz to be included in the Rodgers deal. Him and Jenkins at guard means Love is definitely protected in the middle and even if Baktiari can't make it back, hopefully we can move Jenkins outside without losing much depth. Hopefully we can retain Yosh.

Daver · Post #193 » by **Daver** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:01 pm

[quote="Ron Swanson"]I'll still pin a lot of last year's NFCCG loss on LaFleur's absolutely gutless decision to kick the FG instead of going for it, but how on earth are you going to say he got "outcoached" in this one? For all the talk about how much of a play-calling "genius" Kyle Shanahan is, dude has a 39-42 regular season record and the Niners scored a whopping 6-points while barely cobbling together 200 yards of total offense. If MLF isn't one of the 5 best coaches in the league, then what the hell does that make an overrated bum like Shanahan?[/quote

Outcoached maybe was a bad word but not making oline adjustments o scheme adjustments(he even admitted it) did nothing with motion was a very vsnilla game plan thats all on MLF n when the niners made the adjustments after that 2nd drive MLF didnt do anything to change what he was doing

LikeABosh · Post #194 » by **LikeABosh** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:08 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I might actually prefer a 2nd to getting Jeudy.

Jeudy was complaining about targets with Bridgewater. Not exactly the kind of guy I want on a rebuilding team

th87 · Post #195 » by **th87** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:26 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I'll still pin a lot of last year's NFCCG loss on LaFleur's absolutely gutless decision to kick the FG instead of going for it, but how on earth are you going to say he got "outcoached" in this one? For all the talk about how much of a play-calling "genius" Kyle Shanahan is, dude has a 39-42 regular season record and the Niners scored a whopping 6-points while barely cobbling together 200 yards of total offense. If MLF isn't one of the 5 best coaches in the league, then what the hell does that make an overrated bum like Shanahan?

No comment on the essence of your argument, but if MLF goes for it on 4th, it seems clear now that Rodgers wouldn't be able to score the TD + 2PC.

Dennis Reynolds · Post #196 » by **Dennis Reynolds** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:27 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I'll still pin a lot of last year's NFCCG loss on LaFleur's absolutely gutless decision to kick the FG instead of going for it, but how on earth are you going to say he got "outcoached" in this one? For all the talk about how much of a play-calling "genius" Kyle Shanahan is, dude has a 39-42 regular season record and the Niners scored a whopping 6-points while barely cobbling together 200 yards of total offense. If MLF isn't one of the 5 best coaches in the league, then what the hell does that make an overrated bum like Shanahan?

I could write a long post about Shanahan's record with a serviceable QB, how his team which is now in the NFCCG actually went to the Superbowl and had a good chance to win it on the last drive with Jimmy G doing nothing up to that point aside from throwing an interception and doing nothing in general throughout that postseason run while the offense remained borderline elite. I could also take my time and write about how the Falcons have never even gotten close to the heights they've reached while Shanahan was there but why do all that when I can just use your logic against you...

Ron Swanson wrote:Can't imagine how people can watch that choke job and keep trotting out the "front office failed" blame game. For those of you who haven't been around for the entirety of the last 25 years of the Favre/Rodgers era, look up the following seasons of teams that had the talent and record to win it all (2019-22, 2014, 2011, 2007, 2003-04, 2001, 1998, 1995) and the subsequent QB play in those elimination postseason games, and tell me what you see. Yes, we've had a 3-decade run of unparalleled success due in massive part to uninterrupted HoF QB play, but the part that no one wants to hear that is that we've also had a surprising amount of bad QB play from said Hall of Famers in crucial postseason moments. The defense picking Brady 3 times and only getting 3 combined points, the defense picking Wilson 4 times in 2014 and the offense only mustering 6 second half points. So on and so forth.

If Shanahan is an overrated bum whose offense scored a whopping 6 points, what does it say about a guy who managed to lose to that overrated bum?

Ron Swanson · Post #197 » by **Ron Swanson** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:34 pm

Are we giving credit to the head coach for "drawing up" plays that result in blocked punts? There's your answer. I don't think that Shanahan is a "bad" coach per say either, but this is some weird confirmation bias if anyone wants to say that he's somehow a better tactician than MLF based on the outcome of a game where his offense was beyond inept, which is supposed to be his calling card. He's had two winning seasons and 3 playoff wins in 5 years as San Fran's HC. Perspective.

PintSizedBox10 · Post #198 » by **PintSizedBox10** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:38 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I'll still pin a lot of last year's NFCCG loss on LaFleur's absolutely gutless decision to kick the FG instead of going for it, but how on earth are you going to say he got "outcoached" in this one? For all the talk about how much of a play-calling "genius" Kyle Shanahan is, dude has a 39-42 regular season record and the Niners scored a whopping 6-points while barely cobbling together 200 yards of total offense. If MLF isn't one of the 5 best coaches in the league, then what the hell does that make an overrated bum like Shanahan?

Probably not the greatest comparison to go with as Shanny has had more team success with lesser talent.

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Post #199 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:39 pm

PintSizedBox10 wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:I'll still pin a lot of last year's NFCCG loss on LaFleur's absolutely gutless decision to kick the FG instead of going for it, but how on earth are you going to say he got "outcoached" in this one? For all the talk about how much of a play-calling "genius" Kyle Shanahan is, dude has a 39-42 regular season record and the Niners scored a whopping 6-points while barely cobbling together 200 yards of total offense. If MLF isn't one of the 5 best coaches in the league, then what the hell does that make an overrated bum like Shanahan?
Probably not the greatest comparison to go with as Shanny has had more team success with lesser talent.

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I don't know that I'd say that, especially on the defensive side.

PintSizedBox10 · Post #200 » by **PintSizedBox10** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:47 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
PintSizedBox10 wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:I'll still pin a lot of last year's NFCCG loss on LaFleur's absolutely gutless decision to kick the FG instead of going for it, but how on earth are you going to say he got "outcoached" in this one? For all the talk about how much of a play-calling "genius" Kyle Shanahan is, dude has a 39-42 regular season record and the Niners scored a whopping 6-points while barely cobbling together 200 yards of total offense. If MLF isn't one of the 5 best coaches in the league, then what the hell does that make an overrated bum like Shanahan?
Probably not the greatest comparison to go with as Shanny has had more team success with lesser talent.

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I don't know that I'd say that, especially on the defensive side.

I think it's close defensively (especially as of late) but ill give the nod to the Niners there. On offense though? Not a chance.

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