Tank World Order (7.0)

[TRik]

Oh yeah.

If trading Pascal is going to improve the team...Masai and Bobby gotta make the deal or at minimum consider it.

This season should not be wasted for the sake of getting to the first round/play in only to get rocked. AND get bumped out of the lottery on top.

I find it hard to see Masai trading Pascal, because he fits Masai's vision of lineup full of 6'8 long defenders with some playmaking and shooting ability.

FVV on the other hand is at "peak" value.

We won a championship with Kyle who shares many similarities to Fred. Not every single player at every position needs to be tall and lanky.

Fred is untouchable right now. Management are enamored with him. Decent contract. They aren't trading him lol

Puulease. You’re right in that he’s probably not going to be traded this season, just like the rest of our core. Big in season moves are hard to make, that’s why we don’t see many.

Let’s be honest though, you’re selling your opinion and not some ‘management view’ when you say he’s untouchable.

[TRik]

Lot's of underrated players for an 18-31 team. Wonder why the team is so bad when they have so many good players. Maybe they aren't actually underrated and perhaps overrated?

we are bad too does that mean all our players suck?

just logic doesn't add up there, buddy

We are the youngest team in the league at 500 with zero bench depth. No our players don't suck. Sacramento has more talent and depth and look at them. They suck.

You keep on saying ‘we are the youngest team’…. Like a lot. But everything statistically I’ve seen has us at like 10 youngest. Where are you getting your stats?

[Ref_from_hell]

we are bad too does that mean all our players suck?

just logic doesn't add up there, buddy

We are the youngest team in the league at 500 with zero bench depth. No our players don't suck. Sacramento has more talent and depth and look at them. They suck.

You keep on saying ‘we are the youngest team’…. Like a lot. But everything statistically I’ve seen has us at like 10 youngest. Where are you getting your stats?

I'm not including the washed up veteran training in Miami

[720]

we are bad too does that mean all our players suck?

just logic doesn't add up there, buddy

We are the youngest team in the league at 500 with zero bench depth. No our players don't suck. Sacramento has more talent and depth and look at them. They suck.

You keep on saying ‘we are the youngest team’…. Like a lot. But everything statistically I’ve seen has us at like 10 youngest. Where are you getting your stats?

This whole thing is irrelevant considering our 2 highest usage players are both turning 28 this year and are in the middle of their primes. There are plenty of young teams where the best players are in their early 20s and have star potential (Cavs, Grizzlies and Hornets come to mind with Ball, Morant, Garland and Mobley).

[TRik]

We are the youngest team in the league at 500 with zero bench depth. No our players don't suck. Sacramento has more talent and depth and look at them. They suck.

You keep on saying ‘we are the youngest team’…. Like a lot. But everything statistically I’ve seen has us at like 10 youngest. Where are you getting your stats?

I'm not including the washed up veteran training in Miami

Ok, so when making up your stats, I presume you’ve also gone through the rosters of the 9 younger teams than us and didn’t include their older players that are currently not playing or riding the bench?

[Pooh_Jeter]

We all know when you combine Svi, Precious, Malachi, Champagnie, Banton and Bonga its more impressive than having one Luka. I mean 6 is way higher of a number than 1!

[Los_29]

we are bad too does that mean all our players suck?

just logic doesn't add up there, buddy

We are the youngest team in the league at 500 with zero bench depth. No our players don't suck. Sacramento has more talent and depth and look at them. They suck.

You keep on saying ‘we are the youngest team’…. Like a lot. But everything statistically I’ve seen has us at like 10 youngest. Where are you getting your stats?

I think he's probably excluding Goran from the team. Not sure if we are the youngest but we are the least experienced team in the league. I mean just look at our starters. We got OG, Scottie and GTJ all under the age of 24. Then on the bench we got Dalano, Flynn, Precious and Champagnie all under the age of 23. Lot of youth there. And our "vets" are just entering the prime of their career now.

[TRik]

We are the youngest team in the league at 500 with zero bench depth. No our players don't suck. Sacramento has more talent and depth and look at them. They suck.

You keep on saying ‘we are the youngest team’…. Like a lot. But everything statistically I’ve seen has us at like 10 youngest. Where are you getting your stats?

I think he's probably excluding Goran from the team. Not sure if we are the youngest but we are the least experienced team in the league. I mean just look at our starters. We got OG, Scottie and GTJ all under the age of 24. Then on the bench we got Dalano, Flynn, Precious and Champagnie all under the age of 23. Lot of youth there. And our "vets" are just entering the prime of their career now.

Clearly, but you can also go through the rosters of the 9 younger teams to exclude any older players that aren’t playing.

I suppose that might not fit the narrative though.

[Los_29]

You keep on saying ‘we are the youngest team’…. Like a lot. But everything statistically I’ve seen has us at like 10 youngest. Where are you getting your stats?

I think he's probably excluding Goran from the team. Not sure if we are the youngest but we are the least experienced team in the league. I mean just look at our starters. We got OG, Scottie and GTJ all under the age of 24. Then on the bench we got Dalano, Flynn, Precious and Champagnie all under the age of 23. Lot of youth there. And our "vets" are just entering the prime of their career now.

Clearly, but you can also go through the rosters of the 9 younger teams to exclude any older players that aren’t playing.

I suppose that might not fit the narrative though.

I don't think it's intentional. Matt Devlin has mentioned how we are the least experienced team in the league.

Who are the older players that other teams are rostering but are not a part of the team?

[TRik]

I think he's probably excluding Goran from the team. Not sure if we are the youngest but we are the least experienced team in the league. I mean just look at our starters. We got OG, Scottie and GTJ all under the age of 24. Then on the bench we got Dalano, Flynn, Precious and Champagnie all under the age of 23. Lot of youth there. And our "vets" are just entering the prime of their career now.

Clearly, but you can also go through the rosters of the 9 younger teams to exclude any older players that aren’t playing.

I suppose that might not fit the narrative though.

I don't think it's intentional. Matt Devlin has mentioned how we are the least experienced team in the league.

Who are the older players that other teams are rostering but are not a part of the team?

I’m not going though all the rosters to point out all the older players riding the bench. Rockets are younger and they have John Wall.

I’m by no means arguing we’re not young. Just making a point that continually saying we were the youngest wasn’t really accurate.

[Johnny Bball]

I find it hard to see Masai trading Pascal, because he fits Masai's vision of lineup full of 6'8 long defenders with some playmaking and shooting ability.

FVV on the other hand is at "peak" value.

We won a championship with Kyle who shares many similarities to Fred. Not every single player at every position needs to be tall and lanky.

Fred is untouchable right now. Management are enamored with him. Decent contract. They aren't trading him lol

Puulease. You’re right in that he’s probably not going to be traded this season, just like the rest of our core. Big in season moves are hard to make, that’s why we don’t see many.

Let’s be honest though, you’re selling your opinion and not some ‘management view’ when you say he’s untouchable.

The club has essentially ruled out trading any of who they define as their core -- Fred VanVleet, Pascal Siakam, OG Anunoby and Scottie Barnes aren’t going anywhere next month.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/raptors-optimistic-core-look-add-pieces-trade-deadline/

[TRik]

We won a championship with Kyle who shares many similarities to Fred. Not every single player at every position needs to be tall and lanky.

Fred is untouchable right now. Management are enamored with him. Decent contract. They aren't trading him lol

Puulease. You’re right in that he’s probably not going to be traded this season, just like the rest of our core. Big in season moves are hard to make, that’s why we don’t see many.

Let’s be honest though, you’re selling your opinion and not some ‘management view’ when you say he’s untouchable.

The club has essentially ruled out trading any of who they define as their core -- Fred VanVleet, Pascal Siakam, OG Anunoby and Scottie Barnes aren’t going anywhere next month.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/raptors-optimistic-core-look-add-pieces-trade-deadline/

Again, probably none of the core are gone this season, no dispute there. Anything can happen over the next two weeks though, despite what Grange wrote. We also did trade DD so I don’t think Fred is as untouchable as some may feel.

[PhilBlackson]

Puulease. You’re right in that he’s probably not going to be traded this season, just like the rest of our core. Big in season moves are hard to make, that’s why we don’t see many.

Let’s be honest though, you’re selling your opinion and not some ‘management view’ when you say he’s untouchable.

The club has essentially ruled out trading any of who they define as their core -- Fred VanVleet, Pascal Siakam, OG Anunoby and Scottie Barnes aren’t going anywhere next month.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article/raptors-optimistic-core-look-add-pieces-trade-deadline/

Again, probably none of the core are gone this season, no dispute there. Anything can happen over the next two weeks though, despite what Grange wrote. We also did trade DD so I don’t think Fred is as untouchable as some may feel.

It should be noted Grange also said literally the day before the draft that the Raptors had zeroed in on Jalen Suggs, so not exactly the most credible of sources.

[Los_29]

Clearly, but you can also go through the rosters of the 9 younger teams to exclude any older players that aren’t playing.

I suppose that might not fit the narrative though.

I don't think it's intentional. Matt Devlin has mentioned how we are the least experienced team in the league.

Who are the older players that other teams are rostering but are not a part of the team?

I’m not going though all the rosters to point out all the older players riding the bench. Rockets are younger and they have John Wall.

I’m by no means arguing we’re not young. Just making a point that continually saying we were the youngest wasn’t really accurate.

Don't the Rockets play Christian Wood, Eric Gordon, Je'sean Tate, DJ Augustin and Daniel Theis? I haven't looked at their rotation recently but seem to recall those guys getting quite a bit of run.

[TRik]

I don't think it's intentional. Matt Devlin has mentioned how we are the least experienced team in the league.

Who are the older players that other teams are rostering but are not a part of the team?

I’m not going though all the rosters to point out all the older players riding the bench. Rockets are younger and they have John Wall.

I’m by no means arguing we’re not young. Just making a point that continually saying we were the youngest wasn’t really accurate.

Don't the Rockets play Christian Wood, Eric Gordon, Je'sean Tate, DJ Augustin and Daniel Theis? I haven't looked at their rotation recently but seem to recall those guys getting quite a bit of run.

How about we all just agree the Raptors are bottom 3rd in age this season. Lol

[Raptors_128]

I love the way Pascal is playing tho

We need a huge package. I like Hali, barnes and holmes plus picks

I think that trade makes us better now and in the future tbh

I’m going to keep hoping for a Siakam + Dragic for Haliburton + Barnes + Hield + 2022 Kings 1st deal.

Gives us a lottery pick + a bench + shooting if they want to compete now. They can move their own first for a starting C like Jak or Turner too.

FVV/GTJ/OG/Barnes/Birch
Haliburton/Hield/Barnes/Boucher/Achiuwa

Management publicly committed to both Fred & Pascal this season, I really think some of you guys have to let go of that hope/dreams at least until next season. Management is likely running the same game they did with Kyle & DeMar to "prove it" then they either try to lock them up or move them out.

That’s fair. I don’t see Fred being moved at all honestly. Organization loves him and sees him as the next Lowry. He’ll probably sign a massive deal that will be an overpay after next season.

Siakam doesn’t seem to get that same love from the organization and his skills overlap with Scottie Barnes too much. I think he’s moved in the next year.

[Los_29]

I find it hard to see Masai trading Pascal, because he fits Masai's vision of lineup full of 6'8 long defenders with some playmaking and shooting ability.

FVV on the other hand is at "peak" value.

We won a championship with Kyle who shares many similarities to Fred. Not every single player at every position needs to be tall and lanky.

Fred is untouchable right now. Management are enamored with him. Decent contract. They aren't trading him lol

Puulease. You’re right in that he’s probably not going to be traded this season, just like the rest of our core. Big in season moves are hard to make, that’s why we don’t see many.

Let’s be honest though, you’re selling your opinion and not some ‘management view’ when you say he’s untouchable.

How many core pieces has Masai moved during his tenure here? He's only moved Demar who I think we can all agree needed to be moved. As mentioned earlier, Fred is basically a younger version of Kyle. They share a lot of similarities. Fred has developed into one of the better point guards in the league and is an elite defender at his position. Masai has always been a guy that doesn't squander assets and he doesn't make moves for the sake of making moves. Obviously no one is untouchable but I think it's quite foolish knowing Masai's track record to think that he is looking to deal Fred. If he wanted to deal Fred, he would've been dealt already.

[Los_29]

I’m going to keep hoping for a Siakam + Dragic for Haliburton + Barnes + Hield + 2022 Kings 1st deal.

Gives us a lottery pick + a bench + shooting if they want to compete now. They can move their own first for a starting C like Jak or Turner too.

FVV/GTJ/OG/Barnes/Birch
Haliburton/Hield/Barnes/Boucher/Achiuwa

Management publicly committed to both Fred & Pascal this season, I really think some of you guys have to let go of that hope/dreams at least until next season. Management is likely running the same game they did with Kyle & DeMar to "prove it" then they either try to lock them up or move them out.

That’s fair. I don’t see Fred being moved at all honestly. Organization loves him and sees him as the next Lowry. He’ll probably sign a massive deal that will be an overpay after next season.

Siakam doesn’t seem to get that same love from the organization and his skills overlap with Scottie Barnes too much. I think he’s moved in the next year.

Who has Masai overpaid during his time here?

[PhilBlackson]

Management publicly committed to both Fred & Pascal this season, I really think some of you guys have to let go of that hope/dreams at least until next season. Management is likely running the same game they did with Kyle & DeMar to "prove it" then they either try to lock them up or move them out.

That’s fair. I don’t see Fred being moved at all honestly. Organization loves him and sees him as the next Lowry. He’ll probably sign a massive deal that will be an overpay after next season.

Siakam doesn’t seem to get that same love from the organization and his skills overlap with Scottie Barnes too much. I think he’s moved in the next year.

Who has Masai overpaid during his time here?

DeMarre Carroll.

[TRik]

We won a championship with Kyle who shares many similarities to Fred. Not every single player at every position needs to be tall and lanky.

Fred is untouchable right now. Management are enamored with him. Decent contract. They aren't trading him lol

Puulease. You’re right in that he’s probably not going to be traded this season, just like the rest of our core. Big in season moves are hard to make, that’s why we don’t see many.

Let’s be honest though, you’re selling your opinion and not some ‘management view’ when you say he’s untouchable.

How many core pieces has Masai moved during his tenure here? He's only moved Demar who I think we can all agree needed to be moved. As mentioned earlier, Fred is basically a younger version of Kyle. They share a lot of similarities. Fred has developed into one of the better point guards in the league and is an elite defender at his position. Masai has always been a guy that doesn't squander assets and he doesn't make moves for the sake of making moves. Obviously no one is untouchable but I think it's quite foolish knowing Masai's track record to think that he is looking to deal Fred. If he wanted to deal Fred, he would've been dealt already.

I don’t think anyone is arguing that the organisation is looking to move Fred. Just if the right deal comes up I don’t think he’s ‘untouchable’. I also would imagine names are discussed amongst GMs a lot more than we ever hear about or appreciate.