Separate Thread to Complain About Andrew Wiggins Starting in An NBA All-Star Game

[bbalnation]

I appreciate that 2 way players are playing in all star games.

I can trust both Demar and Andrew to be high impact on both sides of the ball. Thats a bit funny 2 me, idk.

[whatisacenter]

[JN61]

Remember when Curry fans were saying he's playing with bench warmers?


Well deserved Wiggings. Been arguably the best player of Warriors long stretches this year.

[hisairness]

This is actually a real and quantifiable example of Curry's gravity.

[WestbrookGOATed]

I'm just here to complain about the fact that Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is having a much better season than Wiggins and wasn't even named a reserve. Insane.

They haven't even named the reserves yet.

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He wasnt even top top in votes last time I checked. Guys like Klay and Westbrook were. **** stupid.

[FNQ]

This is actually a real and quantifiable example of Curry's gravity.

Curry’s gravity is so impressive it’s made Wiggins a great defender

[Balls Deep]

What an absolute disgrace. The NBA should have a rule that in situations where top players at a position are injured, stars from other positions can start in their place. It’s a slap in the face of the game to have Wiggins anywhere near it.

[zimpy27]

This is actually a real and quantifiable example of Curry's gravity.

Wiggins in games without Curry last 2 seasons


Wiggins in games with Curry last 2 seasons



This is a quantitation of it but it shows the opposite of what we expect..

[og15]

Didn't even know Wiggins had fans, lol

[payton2kemp]

lol people upset or a popularity contest. Relax.

[Lalouie]

covid

[Chris Porter's Hair]

Get off the cross, we need the wood.

Lots of people are awfully upset. Is Wiggins one of the top 3 forwards in the west? Probably not. But all of you that think this is absolutely ridiculous might want to note that the *players* put Wiggins 5th, and marinate on that. And the players put *Draymond* 3rd...

(Gobert 4th)

[HMFFL]

Derozan and Wiggins both starting might be the worst starters in all star lineups we've ever seen.

Embarrassing for both sides.

DeRozan is definitely deserving of starting. If anything, Trae is the undeserving starter on the East. He's putting up numbers (28/4/9), but his team is 12th while Harden is putting up similar numbers (23/8/10) for a top 4 team.

Wiggins starting just feels wrong. Gobert and Ayton (both on top 4 West teams too) are more deserving while KAT is on a decent team and putting up big numbers.

Harden had a healthy Kevin Durant until the recent injury. Trae hasn't had a consistent team all season due to injury and has been doing his part. If you don't take into account the issues a team has dealt with I don't know what to tell you. While Brooklyn was without Kyrie life went on because of Kevin Durant.

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[wolves_89]

I don't think Wiggins is even a top 50 player in the league, let alone an all-star. His advanced stats definitely don't back up an all-star appearance (62nd in EPM, 111th in RAPM, 47th in RAPTOR, and 58th in LEBRON).

[FNQ]

This is actually a real and quantifiable example of Curry's gravity.

Wiggins in games without Curry last 2 seasons


Wiggins in games with Curry last 2 seasons



This is a quantitation of it but it shows the opposite of what we expect..

Yup. Wiggins has been the guy we've typically staggered to run with the 2nd unit for the past 2 seasons, until we did it to Oubre (before thankfully he succumbed to injury and was out of the rotation entirely).

Wiggins has had a consistent upwards trajectory with his shooting, even before Curry:

3pters wide open (6+ ft)

MIN 17-18: 0.7/2.2 (32.6%)
MIN 18-19: 0.7/2.0 (35.4%)
MIN/GS 19-20: 0.7/1.8 (38.4%)
GS 20-21: 0.9/2.2 (41.7%)
GS 21-22: 1.1/2.3 (49.5%)

His "open" rates have been pretty consistent in those 5 years (37.6 / 37.5 / 29.5 / 37.9 / 37.9)

His "covered" rates have improved, albeit less linear than "wide open" (19.4 / 16.0 / 38.1 / 25 / 33.5)

He's in a system where he's not the #1 option, so his shooting has predictably improved, and he has more energy for the defensive end. And when Curry sits, the offense tends to go through him for stretches, as he's a capable enough iso player, especially in the post, where he's made huge strides this season.

Bjelica, Iguodala, GP2, OPJ... these guys benefit from Curry most. Wiggins is among the players who benefits least on our team

[zimpy27]

This is actually a real and quantifiable example of Curry's gravity.

Wiggins in games without Curry last 2 seasons


Wiggins in games with Curry last 2 seasons



This is a quantitation of it but it shows the opposite of what we expect..

Yup. Wiggins has been the guy we've typically staggered to run with the 2nd unit for the past 2 seasons, until we did it to Oubre (before thankfully he succumbed to injury and was out of the rotation entirely).

Wiggins has had a consistent upwards trajectory with his shooting, even before Curry:

3pters wide open (6+ ft)

MIN 17-18: 0.7/2.2 (32.6%)
MIN 18-19: 0.7/2.0 (35.4%)
MIN/GS 19-20: 0.7/1.8 (38.4%)
GS 20-21: 0.9/2.2 (41.7%)
GS 21-22: 1.1/2.3 (49.5%)

His "open" rates have been pretty consistent in those 5 years (37.6 / 37.5 / 29.5 / 37.9 / 37.9)

His "covered" rates have improved, albeit less linear than "wide open" (19.4 / 16.0 / 38.1 / 25 / 33.5)

He's in a system where he's not the #1 option, so his shooting has predictably improved, and he has more energy for the defensive end. And when Curry sits, the offense tends to go through him for stretches, as he's a capable enough iso player, especially in the post, where he's made huge strides this season.

Bjelica, Iguodala, GP2, OPJ... these guys benefit from Curry most. Wiggins is among the players who benefits least on our team

Yeah he's strangely consistent regardless of who's on the floor. Seems like the system favours him more than any on-court players.

I stand by that he shouldn't be a starter but reading over his stats here I can see rationale for him deservedly being an all star this year. So it's not actually ridiculous as it may have first seemed.

[AbC?]

The Warriors hype machine remains undefeated. It’s surpassed the Lakers. They really got a solid role player into the allstar game.

[FNQ]

Wiggins in games without Curry last 2 seasons


Wiggins in games with Curry last 2 seasons



This is a quantitation of it but it shows the opposite of what we expect..

Yup. Wiggins has been the guy we've typically staggered to run with the 2nd unit for the past 2 seasons, until we did it to Oubre (before thankfully he succumbed to injury and was out of the rotation entirely).

Wiggins has had a consistent upwards trajectory with his shooting, even before Curry:

3pters wide open (6+ ft)

MIN 17-18: 0.7/2.2 (32.6%)
MIN 18-19: 0.7/2.0 (35.4%)
MIN/GS 19-20: 0.7/1.8 (38.4%)
GS 20-21: 0.9/2.2 (41.7%)
GS 21-22: 1.1/2.3 (49.5%)

His "open" rates have been pretty consistent in those 5 years (37.6 / 37.5 / 29.5 / 37.9 / 37.9)

His "covered" rates have improved, albeit less linear than "wide open" (19.4 / 16.0 / 38.1 / 25 / 33.5)

He's in a system where he's not the #1 option, so his shooting has predictably improved, and he has more energy for the defensive end. And when Curry sits, the offense tends to go through him for stretches, as he's a capable enough iso player, especially in the post, where he's made huge strides this season.

Bjelica, Iguodala, GP2, OPJ... these guys benefit from Curry most. Wiggins is among the players who benefits least on our team

Yeah he's strangely consistent regardless of who's on the floor. Seems like the system favours him more than any on-court players.

I stand by that he shouldn't be a starter but reading over his stats here I can see rationale for him deservedly being an all star this year. So it's not actually ridiculous as it may have first seemed.

Im not even sure its the system, its just not being the #1 option, which he can do for short stretches, but cant for an entire game. He might have similar success on other teams, provided he's not a primary handler/scorer. He's been versatile offensively.. passes well enough for a wing too.

But yeah he's obviously not a top 3 frontcourt player in the West, but he's been above average on both sides of the court (at minimum) so I think he deserves the ASG nod. Never imagined it would be as a starter, but thats just ceremonial anyways. He's worked hard and its paid off

[duppyy]

What an absolute disgrace. The NBA should have a rule that in situations where top players at a position are injured, stars from other positions can start in their place. It’s a slap in the face of the game to have Wiggins anywhere near it.

NBA doesn’t care about who deserves it, they care about how many people watch the game.

[bwgood77]

Does the ballot allow for people to vote for more than 1 center? I see why this happened if you can only vote for 1 center with AD, George and Kawhi injured.