Tank World Order (7.0)

[Los_29]

That’s fair. I don’t see Fred being moved at all honestly. Organization loves him and sees him as the next Lowry. He’ll probably sign a massive deal that will be an overpay after next season.

Siakam doesn’t seem to get that same love from the organization and his skills overlap with Scottie Barnes too much. I think he’s moved in the next year.

Who has Masai overpaid during his time here?

DeMarre Carroll.

While I agree that in hindsight that was an awful deal but other teams were offering similar figures. Raptors did offer an extra year I believe though. But even then, it was injuries that did him in. At the time, a lot of people thought it was a great signing.

Everyone that Masai has re-signed has been signed to excellent team friendly deals with the exception of Pascal who is at least living up to his contract. There isn't an overpaid player on our team.

[TRik]

Who has Masai overpaid during his time here?

DeMarre Carroll.

While I agree that in hindsight that was an awful deal but other teams were offering similar figures. Raptors did offer an extra year I believe though. But even then, it was injuries that did him in. At the time, a lot of people thought it was a great signing.

Everyone that Masai has re-signed has been signed to excellent team friendly deals with the exception of Pascal who is at least living up to his contract. There isn't an overpaid player on our team.

Agreed for the current squad.

Most here also believe in Masai.

[alpngso]

Can Wembanyama be Mobley 2.0? If so wouldn’t Masai want to reset and go for him in 2023?

[720]

Can Wembanyama be Mobley 2.0? If so wouldn’t Masai want to reset and go for him in 2023?

Probably depends on how we play to close this season and start next season. I think it's a very fluid situation.

[DelAbbot]

Can Wembanyama be Mobley 2.0? If so wouldn’t Masai want to reset and go for him in 2023?

We will have too many good players to tank in 2022/2023. Cannot do it.

[TRik]

Can Wembanyama be Mobley 2.0? If so wouldn’t Masai want to reset and go for him in 2023?

We will have too many good players to tank in 2022/2023. Cannot do it.

Likelihood of a fire sale does seem low at this point.

[will]

Puulease. You’re right in that he’s probably not going to be traded this season, just like the rest of our core. Big in season moves are hard to make, that’s why we don’t see many.

Let’s be honest though, you’re selling your opinion and not some ‘management view’ when you say he’s untouchable.

How many core pieces has Masai moved during his tenure here? He's only moved Demar who I think we can all agree needed to be moved. As mentioned earlier, Fred is basically a younger version of Kyle. They share a lot of similarities. Fred has developed into one of the better point guards in the league and is an elite defender at his position. Masai has always been a guy that doesn't squander assets and he doesn't make moves for the sake of making moves. Obviously no one is untouchable but I think it's quite foolish knowing Masai's track record to think that he is looking to deal Fred. If he wanted to deal Fred, he would've been dealt already.

I don’t think anyone is arguing that the organisation is looking to move Fred. Just if the right deal comes up I don’t think he’s ‘untouchable’. I also would imagine names are discussed amongst GMs a lot more than we ever hear about or appreciate.

To say a player is 'untouchable' means nothing. Now, if Masai or Bobby says that...okay. Cool.

Nobody saw Scottie Barnes coming to Toronto.

[TRik]

Can Wembanyama be Mobley 2.0? If so wouldn’t Masai want to reset and go for him in 2023?

We will have too many good players to tank in 2022/2023. Cannot do it.

Likelihood of a fire sale does seem low at this point.

On tWo…..you’re untouchable.

[PhilBlackson]

Can Wembanyama be Mobley 2.0? If so wouldn’t Masai want to reset and go for him in 2023?

Zero chance that happens.

[DelAbbot]

We will have too many good players to tank in 2022/2023. Cannot do it.

Likelihood of a fire sale does seem low at this point.

On tWo…..you’re untouchable.

Watch on YouTube

[TRik]

Likelihood of a fire sale does seem low at this point.

On tWo…..you’re untouchable.

Watch on YouTube

Hammer pants, the ultimate through the legs crossover stopper. Lol

[Madhouse]

Can Wembanyama be Mobley 2.0? If so wouldn’t Masai want to reset and go for him in 2023?

I can't see it happening. 2022 is probably our only realistic chance at a lotto pick. Maybe there is a post deadline sitting out tank by several players but that's all I can see. I would have loved to see a 2-3 year rebuild with the hope to have 3 true franchise cornerstones/talents after the 2023 draft but the way it is now, Masai will want to compete and certainly makes the playoffs in 2022/23 and beyond.

That's why two says play in for what. This is reasonably our only chance at a lotto pick the next 5-7 years and hopefully longer.

[Los_29]

Can Wembanyama be Mobley 2.0? If so wouldn’t Masai want to reset and go for him in 2023?

I can't see it happening. 2022 is probably our only realistic chance at a lotto pick. Maybe there is a post deadline sitting out tank by several players but that's all I can see. I would have loved to see a 2-3 year rebuild with the hope to have 3 true franchise cornerstones/talents after the 2023 draft but the way it is now, Masai will want to compete and certainly makes the playoffs in 2022/23 and beyond.

That's why two says play in for what. This is reasonably our only chance at a lotto pick the next 5-7 years and hopefully longer.

So you want to do something that no team in the history of basketball has ever done and that is land three true franchise players/cornerstones/talents in three years? That's your vision?

Are we being serious here?

[KL78192020]

Can Wembanyama be Mobley 2.0? If so wouldn’t Masai want to reset and go for him in 2023?

I can't see it happening. 2022 is probably our only realistic chance at a lotto pick. Maybe there is a post deadline sitting out tank by several players but that's all I can see. I would have loved to see a 2-3 year rebuild with the hope to have 3 true franchise cornerstones/talents after the 2023 draft but the way it is now, Masai will want to compete and certainly makes the playoffs in 2022/23 and beyond.

That's why two says play in for what. This is reasonably our only chance at a lotto pick the next 5-7 years and hopefully longer.

So you want to do something that no team in the history of basketball has ever done and that is land three true franchise players/cornerstones/talents in three years? That's your vision?

Are we being serious here?

Wrong once again.

OKC drafted KD/Harden/Westbrook in three consecutive years.

[Ell Curry]

Can Wembanyama be Mobley 2.0? If so wouldn’t Masai want to reset and go for him in 2023?

I can't see it happening. 2022 is probably our only realistic chance at a lotto pick. Maybe there is a post deadline sitting out tank by several players but that's all I can see. I would have loved to see a 2-3 year rebuild with the hope to have 3 true franchise cornerstones/talents after the 2023 draft but the way it is now, Masai will want to compete and certainly makes the playoffs in 2022/23 and beyond.

That's why two says play in for what. This is reasonably our only chance at a lotto pick the next 5-7 years and hopefully longer.

Our most realistic chance of a very high pick is technically probably some team with a GM about to get fired and trading one for Van Vleet or OG, and Masai being in love with a guy available.

[Los_29]

I can't see it happening. 2022 is probably our only realistic chance at a lotto pick. Maybe there is a post deadline sitting out tank by several players but that's all I can see. I would have loved to see a 2-3 year rebuild with the hope to have 3 true franchise cornerstones/talents after the 2023 draft but the way it is now, Masai will want to compete and certainly makes the playoffs in 2022/23 and beyond.

That's why two says play in for what. This is reasonably our only chance at a lotto pick the next 5-7 years and hopefully longer.

So you want to do something that no team in the history of basketball has ever done and that is land three true franchise players/cornerstones/talents in three years? That's your vision?

Are we being serious here?

Wrong once again.

OKC drafted KD/Harden/Westbrook in three consecutive years.

I knew you were going to come marching in thinking you finally got me with this OKC example. Unfortunately you're wrong because Westbrook was never good enough to be a #1 option on a championship team. When I think of franchise cornerstones, I think of players good enough to lead a team to a championship.

And as mentioned many times before, what OKC did was unprecedented and has never happened in the history of basketball (before and after OKC did it). And they still managed to not get a ring. We did though without tanking.

But leave it to tWo to pin their hopes on that happening again. Imagine if it was that easy. "Yeah we'll just rebuild for 3 years and get three franchise cornerstones" and then win half a dozen championships. What a brilliant plan guys.

[NotMyKawhi]

Can Wembanyama be Mobley 2.0? If so wouldn’t Masai want to reset and go for him in 2023?

I can't see it happening. 2022 is probably our only realistic chance at a lotto pick. Maybe there is a post deadline sitting out tank by several players but that's all I can see. I would have loved to see a 2-3 year rebuild with the hope to have 3 true franchise cornerstones/talents after the 2023 draft but the way it is now, Masai will want to compete and certainly makes the playoffs in 2022/23 and beyond.

That's why two says play in for what. This is reasonably our only chance at a lotto pick the next 5-7 years and hopefully longer.

Our most realistic chance of a very high pick is technically probably some team with a GM about to get fired and trading one for Van Vleet or OG, and Masai being in love with a guy available.

A lot of yall think we are going to shoot right up the standings and i don't see it.

Miami, BK, Bucks, Sixers, Bulls, Cavs. That top 6 is solid.

Hornets will only get better, celtics are still young. Hawks eastern confernce finals idk man, I see us being a play in team or worse for a few years

[KL78192020]

So you want to do something that no team in the history of basketball has ever done and that is land three true franchise players/cornerstones/talents in three years? That's your vision?

Are we being serious here?

Wrong once again.

OKC drafted KD/Harden/Westbrook in three consecutive years.

I knew you were going to come marching in thinking you finally got me with this OKC example. Unfortunately you're wrong because Westbrook was never good enough to be a #1 option on a championship team. When I think of franchise cornerstones, I think of players good enough to lead a team to a championship.

And as mentioned many times before, what OKC did was unprecedented and has never happened in the history of basketball (before and after OKC did it). And they still managed to not get a ring. We did though without tanking.

But leave it to tWo to pin their hopes on that happening again. Imagine if it was that easy. "Yeah we'll just rebuild for 3 years and get three franchise cornerstones" and then win half a dozen championships. What a brilliant plan guys.

only someone like you would discount a player that won the MVP.

Proven wrong over and over again but can't accept it! You got caught in a complete lie. Now you've changed your story to it only happened once in history. lol

[Los_29]

I can't see it happening. 2022 is probably our only realistic chance at a lotto pick. Maybe there is a post deadline sitting out tank by several players but that's all I can see. I would have loved to see a 2-3 year rebuild with the hope to have 3 true franchise cornerstones/talents after the 2023 draft but the way it is now, Masai will want to compete and certainly makes the playoffs in 2022/23 and beyond.

That's why two says play in for what. This is reasonably our only chance at a lotto pick the next 5-7 years and hopefully longer.

Our most realistic chance of a very high pick is technically probably some team with a GM about to get fired and trading one for Van Vleet or OG, and Masai being in love with a guy available.

A lot of yall think we are going to shoot right up the standings and i don't see it.

Miami, BK, Bucks, Sixers, Bulls, Cavs. That top 6 is solid.

Hornets will only get better, celtics are still young. Hawks eastern confernce finals idk man, I see us being a play in team or worse for a few years

Why will the Hornets and Celtics get better but not us? We are less experienced than both of those teams. And the Hawks have been so bad they want to trade half their team.

[NotMyKawhi]

Our most realistic chance of a very high pick is technically probably some team with a GM about to get fired and trading one for Van Vleet or OG, and Masai being in love with a guy available.

A lot of yall think we are going to shoot right up the standings and i don't see it.

Miami, BK, Bucks, Sixers, Bulls, Cavs. That top 6 is solid.

Hornets will only get better, celtics are still young. Hawks eastern confernce finals idk man, I see us being a play in team or worse for a few years

Why will the Hornets and Celtics get better but not us? We are less experienced than both of those teams. And the Hawks have been so bad they want to trade half their team.

We are not less experienced than the hornets, not even close. FVV, Pascal lots of experience, trent has playoff experience, OG has been in the playoffs every year. You're looking at one player, barnes.