SeattleJazzFan wrote:kg01 wrote:Sothron wrote:thanks for the dap. The Hawks defense had a reason why you guys weren't making those shots. The Celtics got very few wide open looks the entire game. Our bench outscored your bench last I saw 40-11.
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okay, so i'm a huge trae young fan. like watched all his games in college, i'm always pro trae young in discussions on this board, etc - but if that isn't a great example of why defensive rating is incredibly flawed, nothing is. i love trae, but he doesn't defend. the fact is when your team is playing great team defense, your defensive rating is going to look good (it's also why a lot of guys are overrated defensively if people are looking at defensive metrics like this). and that brings me to why trae's lack of defense as a criticism is overrated - as long as the hawks, as a team, play solid defense, they will win. iow, his lack of defense doesn't prevent the team as a whole from getting it done on that end of the floor and in turn from winning games.
You are correct. What I will say is that it isn't a problem with the defensive rating stat in itself, because many times, there are legends or glossaries to help people know what the stat is saying. It is more of a problem with people not understanding what defensive rating is saying, not understanding how to use it, or sometimes just deliberately citing it inaccurately for the sake of doing so. It can also help people develop confirmation bias where if they see the Drtg, they will then view or remember things in a manner that confirms it.
Yes, on/off defensive rating is telling us how the team performed defensively with a player on the court, it isn't necessarily telling us whether it was because of that player, but at the least it can tell us that you can have a strong defensive unit with that player.
Individual defensive rating is estimating a players defensive impact per possession with the wild assumption that every player is equally as good at taking charges, deflections, rotations, contesting shots, everything that isn't in the stat sheet, and therefore their defensive rating is based on defensive rebounds, blocks, steals and the team Drtg. Obviously we know that assumption is a pretty wild one.
Young is never going to be Jason Kidd on defense, but all Young can aim to do is be a player who can be part of good to very good defensive units without hindering the teams defense, and even better if he can help it a little too. In those 6 games, the stats are saying that he has been able to do at least accomplish the former (not hinder).
