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Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

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Post#1341 » by gambitx777 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 10:47 pm

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76ers :
Out - Simmons, Green, Springer, 2023 first.

In - Beal, Grant.

NO :
Out - Satoronsky, Lakers 2022 first (11-30, if not conveyed we don't get it, men does. We can add in that it becomes a second if we don't get it or something.)

In - Trez, KCP.

Hou :
Out - Wall, Porter Jr

In - Bertans and Olynyk

DET :
Out - Grant, Olynyk, Bey, Diallo, two 24 seconds and a 25 second round pick ( Sacs 2024 second and the more favorable of was and mem, 25 more favorable of Was and GSW. )

In - Simmons, Holiday, Gill, Porter Jr,

Wiz :
Out - Beal , Bertans, Trez, KCP, Holiday, Gill.

In - Wall, Green, Satoronsky, bey Diallo, Springer, Lakers 22 first if it falls in 11-30, 23 Philly first, two 24 seconds and a 25 second from DET.

Why?
76ers are instant contenders with this. Hands down, you can argue all you want about Simmons and how good he is. He's not gonna come back and add grant and Beal to embid and Harris right now. That's a tittle.

NO. Needs help all the way around really. Santos been awful this year and KCP and Trez add a lot to that team right now.

Hou. They break up walls massive deal in two smaller ones. Olynyk and Bertans have early termination options and why healthy can be solid vets around the young guys. They can rehab their value and flips them down the line. Kevib porters done in hou and this move spreads a good bit of money around for the rockets. And dumps wall. Pretty much for free.

Det. Well this is a less expensive version of an offer the 76ers reportedly turned down. Holiday and porter replace bey and Diallo even though they aren't as good but they dump olynyks contract. That team needs a star and Simmons can be that. Maybe he wants to be treated like the god, and in det he will be. They can trade any firsts until the records are set for years with that stupid protection they placed on that pick going to OKC.

Wiz get a first, 3 seconds and some young players for Beal he get some room away from the tax and the wiz dump bertans contract with minimal cost to us. Not to mention we turn Trez and KCP into a late first. You cut Green and Satoronsky. You try to work something out with wall if you can so you can attempt to rehab some value off of him to trade him in the summer or if he really wants out just cut him out right and eat the money with almost 20 mill coming off the books in green and satos deals in the summer you can afford to be a rebuilding team with young players and eat 45 mill of dead cap for 1 year if you have too.



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I just do the New Orleans part and cut everyone else out.

I'd then shop Beal. If all I got was Simmons and nothing else, that would still be better than this deal.
I think the NO part is a pretty good idea to try on its own at the dead line.

But I have to ask.

Why do you feel like Simmons.

Is better than a likely mid round first round pick , an unprotected first, 3 seconds (possibly higher ones), Bey (who is pretty good) , Diallo (who has potential) and springer (who looking good in the g league) and dumping bertans for pure cap relief with 20 mill coming off the books this summer.

Yeah Walls the worst contract in the league. But that doesn't .after for a rebuild.

I get it that Simmons is an amazing defender and passer, he's a good rebounder and he plays good team ball and can score in the paint. But the dude has issues, can't shoot, may not really have his heart in it. Is he fails out here he could quickly be a bad contract.

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLII 

Post#1342 » by 9 and 20 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:55 am

I agree that, if we trade Beal and end up with a guy that Houston is paying 40 million to stay home, we'll be the biggest joke in the league. JOKE'S ON US - WE ARE ALREADY THE BIGGEST JOKE IN THE LEAGUE.

I'm not 100% sold on Simmons, but he's a pretty good player. We're not going to get Giannis in exchange for the rights to pay Beal $240 million. Simmons is a risk with his Hollywood dumbassery and quitterishness, but he's a good player if he's motivated.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLII 

Post#1343 » by FAH1223 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 1:01 am

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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLII 

Post#1344 » by nate33 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:40 am

gambitx777 wrote:But I have to ask.

Why do you feel like Simmons.

Is better than a likely mid round first round pick , an unprotected first, 3 seconds (possibly higher ones), Bey (who is pretty good) , Diallo (who has potential) and springer (who looking good in the g league) and dumping bertans for pure cap relief with 20 mill coming off the books this summer.

I'm already getting the Lakers pick in the New Orleans portion of the trade. Basically you are saying that the Philly 1st, three 2nds, Bey, Springer and Diallo it's better than Simmons. I disagree. Quality beats quantity.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLII 

Post#1345 » by NatP4 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:41 am

I’m taking all those assets over Simmons any day of the week.

Trading for Brown or Simmons is just a path towards mediocrity.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLII 

Post#1346 » by gambitx777 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:53 am

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gambitx777 wrote:But I have to ask.

Why do you feel like Simmons.

Is better than a likely mid round first round pick , an unprotected first, 3 seconds (possibly higher ones), Bey (who is pretty good) , Diallo (who has potential) and springer (who looking good in the g league) and dumping bertans for pure cap relief with 20 mill coming off the books this summer.

I'm already getting the Lakers pick in the New Orleans portion of the trade. Basically you are saying that the Philly 1st, three 2nds, Bey, Springer and Diallo it's better than Simmons. I disagree. Quality beats quantity.
I think where our main decide on this, is that's I think there is a even than or better than 50/50 chance that Simmons value is never going to rehab. I think there is a real chance he might have hit his highest point in the league and this guy that he's showed us he is, is who he is. I don't see him fixing his shooting/effort and heart issues. Could I be wrong yes! 100% wish the kid the best.

Also I believe in quantity over quality in most cases especially this one. Like Bey is good and is going to be good. I like Diallo he's got potential. I wanted Springer in the draft. 4 picks to get a game changer I like taking my chances over hoping some 25 year old rich dude is gonna wake up and get it some day.




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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLII 

Post#1347 » by FAH1223 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:02 am

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Post#1348 » by FAH1223 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:01 am

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Post#1349 » by nate33 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 1:07 pm

NatP4 wrote:I’m taking all those assets over Simmons any day of the week.

Trading for Brown or Simmons is just a path towards mediocrity.

Bey might pan out to be a decent starter. The rest of those assets are most likely to be bench players. That Philly pick is going to be late, and 2nd round picks have extremely low odds of yielding starting caliber players. I'd rather have the 25-year-old 3-time All Star.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLII 

Post#1350 » by queridiculo » Fri Jan 28, 2022 1:12 pm

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Post#1351 » by deneem4 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:08 pm

Think we can get murry from the Spurs while keeping deni?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLII 

Post#1352 » by FAH1223 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:17 pm

deneem4 wrote:Think we can get murry from the Spurs while keeping deni?

Don’t think Spurs are trading Murray. He’s on an excellent contract and he’s ascending.

Derrick White is gettable.
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Post#1353 » by Frichuela » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:25 pm

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deneem4 wrote:Think we can get murry from the Spurs while keeping deni?

Don’t think Spurs are trading Murray. He’s on an excellent contract and he’s ascending.

Derrick White is gettable.


Agreed. Trading Kuzma for Derrick White could be an option here...
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLII 

Post#1354 » by WallToWall » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:34 pm

We really like doing business with the Lakers. So here’s a proposal…
Dwight Howard + Ariza + Ellington + Bradley + Malik Monk + Kendrick Nunn + Talen Horton-Tucker + 1st rnd + cash FOR Bertans + Dinwiddie.
Howard, Ariza, Ellington, Bradley and Monk are expiring contracts totaling about $11.5M. Lakers can provide the remaining to be paid $6M as the cash considerations for their buy out. Monk falls into our trade exception. THT is the player we want to keep.
Lakers get to make their run for the title with a PG that plays at their pace, and they get a 3pt specialist.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLII 

Post#1355 » by FAH1223 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:36 pm

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deneem4 wrote:Think we can get murry from the Spurs while keeping deni?

Don’t think Spurs are trading Murray. He’s on an excellent contract and he’s ascending.

Derrick White is gettable.


Agreed. Trading Kuzma for Derrick White could be an option here...


That helps our roster balance significantly.

Spurs tried to get Kuz before.

They also loved Rui and were disappointed he went to us at #9 in 2019.
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Post#1356 » by TGW » Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:13 pm

Is White better than Dinwiddie? Their numbers look similar IMO. I'm not really seeing the upgrade, and if you trade Kuzma, you're trading your only semi-consistent forward. I haven't seen any semblance of consistency from the other 3/4 options on the roster.

At this point, the team really has to make a decision on Kuzma vs. Rui going forward. And Rui hasn't shown much in his career.
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Post#1357 » by Dark Faze » Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:55 pm

White would be the 4th non-shooting PG we put next to Brad. Can't do it.

And I'm in favor of moving Rui, but at this point there are a lot of variables in play regarding his value. Hell, would he melt down mentally if he heard his name in a trade rumor? We're forced to speculate due them keeping his issues so hush hush, unfortunately.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XLII 

Post#1358 » by smoothSeph » Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:19 pm

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Post#1359 » by nate33 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:40 pm

WallToWall wrote:We really like doing business with the Lakers. So here’s a proposal…
Dwight Howard + Ariza + Ellington + Bradley + Malik Monk + Kendrick Nunn + Talen Horton-Tucker + 1st rnd + cash FOR Bertans + Dinwiddie.
Howard, Ariza, Ellington, Bradley and Monk are expiring contracts totaling about $11.5M. Lakers can provide the remaining to be paid $6M as the cash considerations for their buy out. Monk falls into our trade exception. THT is the player we want to keep.
Lakers get to make their run for the title with a PG that plays at their pace, and they get a 3pt specialist.

That's a 7-for-2 trade. Which players currently on the 15-man roster would you cut to make roster room for this trade? You must cut 5 out of these 13 guys:

Beal
Kuzma
KCP
Avdija
Harrell
Gafford
Kispert
Neto
Holiday
Hachimura
Gill
Bryant
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Post#1360 » by nate33 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:42 pm

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