Thoughts in General, Rumors, etc 5.0

[K_chile22]

BTW, Cleveland got their DPE for Ricky Rubio...

Curious, are there any issues that could come up if the Cavs trade Rubio, now that they got the DPE? Seems like double dipping if they can use the 8.9m and also trade the contract.

if they trade him they lose the DPE or if they use it before the deadline they can't trade him. So they definitely won't use it before the deadline

[toooskies]

BTW, Cleveland got their DPE for Ricky Rubio...

Curious, are there any issues that could come up if the Cavs trade Rubio, now that they got the DPE? Seems like double dipping if they can use the 8.9m and also trade the contract.

if they trade him they lose the DPE or if they use it before the deadline they can't trade him. So they definitely won't use it before the deadline

They can still trade him after they use it. They are allowed to double-dip. But the list of guys that actually can fit into the DPE is pretty small, it's probably best used as a buyout market deal.

[NYG]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/265579/Hawks-Looking-For-First-Round-Pick-And-Starter-for-John-Collins

The Atlanta Hawks have set an asking price for John Collins and, surprisingly, it's not all that high of a price. Atlanta is looking for a first-round pick and starting caliber player in return for Collins.

The Hawks already traded Cam Reddish to the New York Knicks and appear open to making even more moves. Atlanta is looking to reset their cap sheet, in what has been a disappointing season. Bogdan Bogdanovic and Danilo Gallinari are both reportedly available, as well.

Collins has averaged 16.8 points and 7.9 rebounds this season. He's also shooting a career-best 41.4% from behind the arc. The Hawks re-signed Collins to a five-year, $125 million contract this offseason.

Jerami Grant of the Detroit Pistons has been mentioned as a trade target for the Hawks, while they have also inquired with the San Antonio Spurs on Derrick White. The Spurs have been linked to Collins in free agency.

Jakob Poeltl to Toronto
Derrick White, Raptors Salary Filler and 2022 Raptors 1st to Atlanta
John Collins to San Antonio

[NYG]

Andrew Wiggins, huh?

[Nebkreb11]

Brooklyn wants an asset of some kind for Paul Millsap, whether it’s another veteran who can help them win now or a future second-round pick, I’m told. The Nets hit on drafting Kessler Edwards in the second round of the draft, and he’s a name to watch for his two-way deal being converted into a standard NBA contract following the trade deadline and buyout market.

Keep an eye on Bruce Brown as a trade chip too. His role and minutes have fluctuated at times with Brooklyn this season. Jevon Carter is also another name to watch. He’s fallen out of Brooklyn’s rotation, and he’s available on the trade market.

The Nets have gotten calls on Joe Harris and Nicolas Claxton, but I don’t expect those guys to be moved, unless they’re packaged for a star or really high-caliber starter.

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Scotto: Eric Gordon’s value hasn’t been this high in years after he’s had multiple injury-plagued seasons. The Cavaliers have kept tabs on Gordon, Caris LeVert, Terrence Ross, among shooting guards on the trade market, I’ve heard. The Cavaliers also like Joe Harris from afar, but it would take a star for Harris to be included in any package from Brooklyn’s perspective.

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-trade-talks-james-harden-ben-simmons-domantas-sabonis-more/

Lakers and Nets could possibly swap minimum deals here, if Brooklyn wants one Ellington or Bazemore for backcourt insurance. Lakers could use the idea of a stretch 4 so the bench units don't get killed on the defensive rebounds.

Are either Ellington or Bazemore good outside shooters at this point in their careers? That's really what we need until Harris and KD come back.

[Slava]

Lakers and Nets could possibly swap minimum deals here, if Brooklyn wants one Ellington or Bazemore for backcourt insurance. Lakers could use the idea of a stretch 4 so the bench units don't get killed on the defensive rebounds.

Are either Ellington or Bazemore good outside shooters at this point in their careers? That's really what we need until Harris and KD come back.

Ellington is solid albeit worse than a turnstile on defense.

[Mamba4Goat]

Alright guys help me out here…I love the idea of Covington to Cleveland but feel like Lauri has to be the one outgoing (went back and forth on Cedi too). What’s a good three (or four) teamer that lets Portland duck the tax and Cleveland stay under it?

My first instinct was Cedi and the two nice seconds (from Cleveland) to Portland, Rondo+cash to OKC, Cov to Cleveland. But felt like Lauri needed to be involved instead. Maybe I’m wrong?

[zimpy27]

Alright guys help me out here…I love the idea of Covington to Cleveland but feel like Lauri has to be the one outgoing (went back and forth on Cedi too). What’s a good three (or four) teamer that lets Portland duck the tax and Cleveland stay under it?

My first instinct was Cedi and the two nice seconds (from Cleveland) to Portland, Rondo+cash to OKC, Cov to Cleveland. But felt like Lauri needed to be involved instead. Maybe I’m wrong?

Covington for Wade+Osman keeps both teams out of the tax..

[NYG]

Andrew Wiggins, huh?

Really? No one else is as interested by it as I am?

[K_chile22]

On the last Windhorst pod MacMahon said he'd be really surprised if the rockets dealt EG for less than a FRP. He seems to buy the report that they'll keep him if the return isn't good enough.

Honestly, kind of get it. If EG is cool sticking around and being the adult in the room (I kinda doubt he is but they certainly know better than I) then I'd rather just keep him then take some crappy 2nds. Those picks don't really do anything for a team that already is going to run into a picks vs roster spots issue pretty soon, especially if they trade Wood for a pick.
I would do an expiring and good second though, like the Cleveland deal people have talked about around here. And if EG made it clear he wanted to go somewhere else then I'd take whatever I could get and not be picky

[BlazersBroncos]

Alright guys help me out here…I love the idea of Covington to Cleveland but feel like Lauri has to be the one outgoing (went back and forth on Cedi too). What’s a good three (or four) teamer that lets Portland duck the tax and Cleveland stay under it?

My first instinct was Cedi and the two nice seconds (from Cleveland) to Portland, Rondo+cash to OKC, Cov to Cleveland. But felt like Lauri needed to be involved instead. Maybe I’m wrong?

Covington for Wade+Osman keeps both teams out of the tax..

I would do Covington for Osman + HOU SRP. If we can get a second SRP, all the better.

I think Osman is mediocre, but has some good traits and I like that contract for a backup SF (Especially since Little is going to get 10M+ once his rookie deal expires IMO). But the inconsistency in Osman, especially his 3PT shot, and the longer money (Despite it IMO being a decent deal) would make me demand that HOU SRP.

[Scoot McGroot]

Andrew Wiggins, huh?

Really? No one else is as interested by it as I am?

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[Dadouv47]

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Morey being crazy I guess...thought a Simmons trade was gonna happen but it's unlikely now

[BullyKing]

I like how every time there is a report that teams aren't meeting the Sixers asking price on Simmons, it's always Morey is being crazy. Yet when you ask what reported offer the Sixers should have taken that was reasonable, all you get is crickets.

[K_chile22]

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Morey being crazy I guess...thought a Simmons trade was gonna happen but it's unlikely now

Morey is someone who does things at the deadline. Always has been and admitted as much. He'll be more realistic when that comes around. Realistic enough to actually make a trade? Idk, but more realistic than he has been

[giberish]

I like how every time there is a report that teams aren't meeting the Sixers asking price on Simmons, it's always Morey is being crazy. Yet when you ask what reported offer the Sixers should have taken that was reasonable, all you get is crickets.

The leaking seems to be all one way. You never hear of any offers other teams have made for Simmons (I honestly can't recall a single one), only what Phllly is demanding from other teams (always a price so high the other teams would obviously say no).

I'm not sure what that says.

[BullyKing]

I like how every time there is a report that teams aren't meeting the Sixers asking price on Simmons, it's always Morey is being crazy. Yet when you ask what reported offer the Sixers should have taken that was reasonable, all you get is crickets.

The leaking seems to be all one way. You never hear of any offers other teams have made for Simmons (I honestly can't recall a single one), only what Phllly is demanding from other teams (always a price so high the other teams would obviously say no).

I'm not sure what that says.

I mean the only thing I recall regarding Sacramento was a deal headlined by Barnes. Can't believe crazy Morey would turn that down.

[Celts17Pride]

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Morey being crazy I guess...thought a Simmons trade was gonna happen but it's unlikely now

Morey is someone who does things at the deadline. Always has been and admitted as much. He'll be more realistic when that comes around. Realistic enough to actually make a trade? Idk, but more realistic than he has been

The thing is that the Kings have other things to do. The Kings have other trades to work on. So basically they are telling the Sixers they are moving on and are going to focus on these other trades. So if the Kings move Barnes to another team then there will be no avenues left to do a deal with the Sixers for Simmons on trade deadline day of Feb 10th.

[toooskies]

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Morey being crazy I guess...thought a Simmons trade was gonna happen but it's unlikely now

Morey is someone who does things at the deadline. Always has been and admitted as much. He'll be more realistic when that comes around. Realistic enough to actually make a trade? Idk, but more realistic than he has been

The thing is that the Kings have other things to do. The Kings have other trades to work on. So basically they are telling the Sixers they are moving on and are going to focus on these other trades. So if the Kings move Barnes to another team then there will be no avenues left to do a deal with the Sixers for Simmons on trade deadline day of Feb 10th.

I feel like Haliburton + expirings (TT/Bagley) + a pick or two is there to offer the Sixers if Barnes gets moved elsewhere. Sixers use the draft assets to move off of Tobias Harris for more expirings or into San Antonio's space in the offseason. Then they have max space for Harden, Beal, Ayton, Bridges, or a few good players with nowhere else to sign (RoCo, Rubio, etc.).

[SixersSince82]

Everyone is focused on Daryl's supposed "sky high" asking price for Ben. That's always been Daryls MO. So Im sure its fair. But not much critique on the Kings who seem to think they can acquire an all star caliber player (be it Ben, Sabonis or Collins) by trading a bunch of "okay" role players.

If they want to make a big move. It's going to have to involve Fox, or Haliburton or like 3 1st round picks. Hield and Barnes have been on the block for at least 2 years. That ain't cutting it, regardless of which specific young "all-star-ish" player they want.