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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Hackett to Denver 

Post#221 » by DrWood » Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:11 am

If they somehow package Rodgers and Adams, I'd start with:
2022 picks: 1, 2,2, 3,3
2023 picks: 2,3
A couple of young guys who could contribute. To the names already mentioned, I'd add Okwuegbunam (TE) and Jones (DE). Is Chubb healthy?
Then trade the 1 (9) pick down to the middle of the draft to get a first and second round pick.
Then trade the middle of the 1st round pick to get fairly high 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks.
Then trade our own 1st round pick to get a 2nd and 3rd round pick (around 14th)
So in 2022, the pack would have
6 Second round picks,
5 Third round picks,
3 Fourth round picks,
1 Fifth round picks,
1 sixth round picks,
2 seventh round picks.

Pretty crazy, but can you tell I think the value in the draft is in the 2nd and 3rd rounds? The draft would be a helluva lot of fun.
Free up cap space by waiving guys that make sense to waive. Be aggressive in FA if they can.

If Love proves serviceable, you're pretty well set for the next several years. If he's not, you'll pick your next QB in 2023 with a fairly high pick.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Hackett to Denver 

Post#222 » by DrWood » Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:15 am

WRau1 wrote:I don't see Rodgers or the Broncos wanting to include Fant in any deal.

so take Okwuegbunam
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Hackett to Denver 

Post#223 » by sdn40 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:18 am

Noah Fant is in the last year of his deal - so no thanks. Very little value there.
Jeudy only has 2 years remaining and would much rather have a draft pick.

Adding players in trades - has to be the perfect fit and he can't be a rental
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Hackett to Denver 

Post#224 » by jakecronus8 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:59 am

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RRyder823 wrote:Guys. We aren't tagging Adams. Let the tag and trade dream go

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Can you tag and trade?

Yes but the big hurdle is you’d have to have enough space under the cap prior to the new league year getting underway. It’s doable but would mean jettisoning just about everyone (Z, Preston, Cobb, Crosby, Lowry, Turner)
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Hackett to Denver 

Post#225 » by Profound23 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 12:43 pm

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RRyder823 wrote:Guys. We aren't tagging Adams. Let the tag and trade dream go

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Can you tag and trade?

Yes but the big hurdle is you’d have to have enough space under the cap prior to the new league year getting underway. It’s doable but would mean jettisoning just about everyone (Z, Preston, Cobb, Crosby, Lowry, Turner)


Which I am fine with. We aren't competing for a SB next year.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Hackett to Denver 

Post#226 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:41 pm

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RRyder823 wrote:Guys. We aren't tagging Adams. Let the tag and trade dream go

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Can you tag and trade?

Yes but the big hurdle is you’d have to have enough space under the cap prior to the new league year getting underway. It’s doable but would mean jettisoning just about everyone (Z, Preston, Cobb, Crosby, Lowry, Turner)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think trading Rodgers first would drop his cap hit by about 20 mil making it much easier to get to a point where they can tag Adams.

Speaking of Aaron's $46mil cap hit, this is an indirect way he has some leverage. While the Packers can technically play hard ball and make him play out that last year of his deal realistically it's an unmanageable number if they want to keep any semblance of a team around him. If he stays he needs an extension to low that number.

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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Hackett to Denver 

Post#227 » by Daver » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:09 pm

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Dennis Reynolds wrote:MLF needs to stop getting babied cause he has proven basically nothing.

he literally has more wins over his first three seasons than every coach in the history of the league.


Regular season wins mean nothing when you cant out of your own way in the playoffs.People were excited about bud having the most wins 2 years in a row n both times he dropped the ball in the POs.
Win the most reg season games so what 2 years #1 seed n nada
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Hackett to Denver 

Post#228 » by tski1972 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:12 pm

Daver wrote:
DrWood wrote:
Dennis Reynolds wrote:MLF needs to stop getting babied cause he has proven basically nothing.

he literally has more wins over his first three seasons than every coach in the history of the league.


Regular season wins mean nothing when you cant out of your own way in the playoffs.People were excited about bud having the most wins 2 years in a row n both times he dropped the ball in the POs.
Win the most reg season games so what 2 years #1 seed n nada


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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Hackett to Denver 

Post#229 » by jakecronus8 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:26 pm

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jakecronus8 wrote:
DrWood wrote:Can you tag and trade?

Yes but the big hurdle is you’d have to have enough space under the cap prior to the new league year getting underway. It’s doable but would mean jettisoning just about everyone (Z, Preston, Cobb, Crosby, Lowry, Turner)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think trading Rodgers first would drop his cap hit by about 20 mil making it much easier to get to a point where they can tag Adams.

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Unfortunately that’s not the case. They can’t trade Rodgers until the new league year begins. As of now they’re about $40 million over the cap and they have to be under before the new league year begins.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Hackett to Denver 

Post#230 » by M-C-G » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:28 pm

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Of course there was gonna be a drop off, but a reasonable drop off to me would mean having at least a borderline top 10 redzone offense and not a bottom 10 one.


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Post#231 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:02 pm

Silver lining: I will be able to plan a 2 week work remote trip in someplace warm like Los Cabos next year. Kept the calendar clear so I could go to the NFC game / watch the Owl with friends. So instead of working and having lunch break at the beach I am here in 10 degree weather.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Hackett to Denver 

Post#232 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:04 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:Yes but the big hurdle is you’d have to have enough space under the cap prior to the new league year getting underway. It’s doable but would mean jettisoning just about everyone (Z, Preston, Cobb, Crosby, Lowry, Turner)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think trading Rodgers first would drop his cap hit by about 20 mil making it much easier to get to a point where they can tag Adams.

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Unfortunately that’s not the case. They can’t trade Rodgers until the new league year begins. As of now they’re about $40 million over the cap and they have to be under before the new league year begins.
Good point, that makes sense on the timing. Man that makes it's pretty damn hard to tag and trade Adams.

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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Hackett to Denver 

Post#233 » by M-C-G » Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:30 pm

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jakecronus8 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think trading Rodgers first would drop his cap hit by about 20 mil making it much easier to get to a point where they can tag Adams.

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Unfortunately that’s not the case. They can’t trade Rodgers until the new league year begins. As of now they’re about $40 million over the cap and they have to be under before the new league year begins.
Good point, that makes sense on the timing. Man that makes it's pretty damn hard to tag and trade Adams.

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No matter how hard it is, you have to do it versus letting him walk for nothing. I don't mean to say 'no matter the cost' but I do kind of mean it.

Negotiations for a new deal haven't been very productive. The Packers have refused make Davante Adams the NFL's highest-paid wide receiver ahead of DeAndre Hopkins, who signed a two-year contract extension with the Cardinals during the 2020 preseason averaging $27.25 million per year. Adams can make a compelling case he should be the highest paid because of his sustained excellence. Since the start of the 2018 regular season, Adams leads the NFL with 415 receptions, 5,119 receiving yards and 46 touchdown catches. The Packers don't have a great track record in giving wide receivers a third contract.

A non-exclusive franchise tag for Adams will be $20.12 million. It will be based off a 20% increase of his 2021 salary. Some salary cap gymnastics will be required to accommodate an Adams franchise tag. Green Bay's $247.882 million in 2022 cap commitments are the NFL's second most according to NFLPA data. 44 players are under contract while the top 51 salaries (i.e.; cap numbers) matter with offseason salary cap accounting rules.


So if they think the salary cap will be 208M and we are at, 248 and we need 20M below that to non exclusive franchise tag him, then we need to be at 188M.

Z nets 15M
Preston 13.8M
Cobb 6.7M
Lowry 4M
Crosby 2.4M
Amos 8M

That gets you to 50M. So if you can restructure another 10M with Clark and Bakh, you are below that 188M window where you can do the non exclusive tag. If you need another one, I think you could free up another 4M by cutting Billy Turner

Then when you trade Rodgers you free up 20M in cap space where you could resign some of these guys or do whatever. This team will definitely look different next year, but if Rodgers is going we need to get picks and if Rodgers is going, I don't think Adams stays or necessarily makes the most sense and we should be able to get a 1st+ for him, so need to make that happen.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Hackett to Denver 

Post#234 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Jan 28, 2022 5:32 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:
Unfortunately that’s not the case. They can’t trade Rodgers until the new league year begins. As of now they’re about $40 million over the cap and they have to be under before the new league year begins.
Good point, that makes sense on the timing. Man that makes it's pretty damn hard to tag and trade Adams.

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No matter how hard it is, you have to do it versus letting him walk for nothing. I don't mean to say 'no matter the cost' but I do kind of mean it.

Negotiations for a new deal haven't been very productive. The Packers have refused make Davante Adams the NFL's highest-paid wide receiver ahead of DeAndre Hopkins, who signed a two-year contract extension with the Cardinals during the 2020 preseason averaging $27.25 million per year. Adams can make a compelling case he should be the highest paid because of his sustained excellence. Since the start of the 2018 regular season, Adams leads the NFL with 415 receptions, 5,119 receiving yards and 46 touchdown catches. The Packers don't have a great track record in giving wide receivers a third contract.

A non-exclusive franchise tag for Adams will be $20.12 million. It will be based off a 20% increase of his 2021 salary. Some salary cap gymnastics will be required to accommodate an Adams franchise tag. Green Bay's $247.882 million in 2022 cap commitments are the NFL's second most according to NFLPA data. 44 players are under contract while the top 51 salaries (i.e.; cap numbers) matter with offseason salary cap accounting rules.


So if they think the salary cap will be 208M and we are at, 248 and we need 20M below that to non exclusive franchise tag him, then we need to be at 188M.

Z nets 15M
Preston 13.8M
Cobb 6.7M
Lowry 4M
Crosby 2.4M
Amos 8M

That gets you to 50M. So if you can restructure another 10M with Clark and Bakh, you are below that 188M window where you can do the non exclusive tag. If you need another one, I think you could free up another 4M by cutting Billy Turner

Then when you trade Rodgers you free up 20M in cap space where you could resign some of these guys or do whatever. This team will definitely look different next year, but if Rodgers is going we need to get picks and if Rodgers is going, I don't think Adams stays or necessarily makes the most sense and we should be able to get a 1st+ for him, so need to make that happen.
What if Adams says **** y'all if you tag me I'll sign it? He does that and if becmes REALLY hard to fill out the roster.

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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Hackett to Denver 

Post#235 » by RRyder823 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:03 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Good point, that makes sense on the timing. Man that makes it's pretty damn hard to tag and trade Adams.

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No matter how hard it is, you have to do it versus letting him walk for nothing. I don't mean to say 'no matter the cost' but I do kind of mean it.

Negotiations for a new deal haven't been very productive. The Packers have refused make Davante Adams the NFL's highest-paid wide receiver ahead of DeAndre Hopkins, who signed a two-year contract extension with the Cardinals during the 2020 preseason averaging $27.25 million per year. Adams can make a compelling case he should be the highest paid because of his sustained excellence. Since the start of the 2018 regular season, Adams leads the NFL with 415 receptions, 5,119 receiving yards and 46 touchdown catches. The Packers don't have a great track record in giving wide receivers a third contract.

A non-exclusive franchise tag for Adams will be $20.12 million. It will be based off a 20% increase of his 2021 salary. Some salary cap gymnastics will be required to accommodate an Adams franchise tag. Green Bay's $247.882 million in 2022 cap commitments are the NFL's second most according to NFLPA data. 44 players are under contract while the top 51 salaries (i.e.; cap numbers) matter with offseason salary cap accounting rules.


So if they think the salary cap will be 208M and we are at, 248 and we need 20M below that to non exclusive franchise tag him, then we need to be at 188M.

Z nets 15M
Preston 13.8M
Cobb 6.7M
Lowry 4M
Crosby 2.4M
Amos 8M

That gets you to 50M. So if you can restructure another 10M with Clark and Bakh, you are below that 188M window where you can do the non exclusive tag. If you need another one, I think you could free up another 4M by cutting Billy Turner

Then when you trade Rodgers you free up 20M in cap space where you could resign some of these guys or do whatever. This team will definitely look different next year, but if Rodgers is going we need to get picks and if Rodgers is going, I don't think Adams stays or necessarily makes the most sense and we should be able to get a 1st+ for him, so need to make that happen.
What if Adams says **** y'all if you tag me I'll sign it? He does that and if becmes REALLY hard to fill out the roster.

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Unlikely due to the fact he wants to get that massive deal now. NFL players generally don't want to put off getting their money......... And also I'm pretty sure there's nothing that prohibits the Packers from trading him after he signs the tender so there's that (could be wrong on that bit dint think there is)

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Post#237 » by crkone » Fri Jan 28, 2022 6:14 pm

Go get Nagy. :D

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Post#238 » by Matches Malone » Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:45 pm

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Post#239 » by ReddRum » Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:17 pm

Ok so if we get far enough under the cap to tag and trade Adams, what could we realistically get back from the Broncos for him and Rodgers as a package?
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Hackett to Denver 

Post#240 » by MickeyDavis » Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:19 pm

If you have a good team your assistants will get poached. It's expected. Holmgren lost a bunch of offensive assistants.
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