2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[LBJKB24MJ23]

overall I would say Dejounte is a better player

but FVV is the superior shooter. and just way more efficient at it. if we had DM vs FVV I don't know if this team would be the same or worse. (probably worse since we would lose FVV's shooting)

It's ... debatable. Murray has a terrible injury history. And shooting really helps to win. Murray hasn't helped the Spurs to consistently win, whereas you can't deny that about Fred.

I wouldn't do that trade. It's not like Fred is a defensive liability.

I don't think it's fair to use team success as a way to compare their impact.

FVV has Siakam, OG, GTJ, Scottie.

Murray has Poeltl, White... Devin Vassell

I think the Raptors would fare worse with DM this year. our shooting is already shoddy. Siakam and co, imagine, passing it to an inferior shooter like DM. this would probably sink our team the rest of the season.

[dukes_wild]

It's ... debatable. Murray has a terrible injury history. And shooting really helps to win. Murray hasn't helped the Spurs to consistently win, whereas you can't deny that about Fred.

I wouldn't do that trade. It's not like Fred is a defensive liability.

I don't think it's fair to use team success as a way to compare their impact.

FVV has Siakam, OG, GTJ, Scottie.

Murray has Poeltl, White... Devin Vassell

I think the Raptors would fare worse with DM this year. our shooting is already shoddy. Siakam and co, imagine, passing it to an inferior shooter like DM. this would probably sink our team the rest of the season.

This season is a wash now anyways though. I'd much rather have Dejounte heading into next season than FVV. The fit would be worse but we could always figure it out later by trading OG or Siakam for a better fit in the forward positions with Murray

Dejounte fits the timeline a bit better too. Just a hair older than OG, would be in his late 20s when Scottie theoretically should start hitting his prime

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I don't think it's fair to use team success as a way to compare their impact.

FVV has Siakam, OG, GTJ, Scottie.

Murray has Poeltl, White... Devin Vassell

I think the Raptors would fare worse with DM this year. our shooting is already shoddy. Siakam and co, imagine, passing it to an inferior shooter like DM. this would probably sink our team the rest of the season.

This season is a wash now anyways though. I'd much rather have Dejounte heading into next season than FVV. The fit would be worse but we could always figure it out later by trading OG or Siakam for a better fit in the forward positions with Murray

Dejounte fits the timeline a bit better too. Just a hair older than OG, would be in his late 20s when Scottie theoretically should start hitting his prime

ya unfortunately it seems that the Raptors want to make the playoffs this year.

[Jtoneller1]

Dragic, Flynn, LPFRP for Poetl and Young?

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[dukes_wild]

Dragic, Flynn, LPFRP for Poetl and Young?

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If we had more capable shooters and didnt have such a logjam OG/Siakam/Barnes core I'd be down to use a protected 1st to bring in Poeltl. But he doesn't make a ton of sense with our roster other than the fact he's actually a real starting caliber center

[tecumseh18]

overall I would say Dejounte is a better player

but FVV is the superior shooter. and just way more efficient at it. if we had DM vs FVV I don't know if this team would be the same or worse. (probably worse since we would lose FVV's shooting)

It's ... debatable. Murray has a terrible injury history. And shooting really helps to win. Murray hasn't helped the Spurs to consistently win, whereas you can't deny that about Fred.

I wouldn't do that trade. It's not like Fred is a defensive liability.

I don't think it's fair to use team success as a way to compare their impact.

FVV has Siakam, OG, GTJ, Scottie.

Murray has Poeltl, White... Devin Vassell

He also has had LaMarcus Aldridge and all-star DeMar DeRozan. And Patty Mills and Rudy Gay off the bench. Team should have won more games.

[Zeno]

Would you do Dragic for Kemba, Burks and charlotte 2022 2nd? You'd be taking on a Dragic amount of money for next year but I that would also provide salary ballast for trade next offseason if you want to make a bigger move next year.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

It's ... debatable. Murray has a terrible injury history. And shooting really helps to win. Murray hasn't helped the Spurs to consistently win, whereas you can't deny that about Fred.

I wouldn't do that trade. It's not like Fred is a defensive liability.

I don't think it's fair to use team success as a way to compare their impact.

FVV has Siakam, OG, GTJ, Scottie.

Murray has Poeltl, White... Devin Vassell

He also has had LaMarcus Aldridge and all-star DeMar DeRozan. And Patty Mills and Rudy Gay off the bench. Team should have won more games.

I mean he was putting up some pretty good overall counting stats last year too even if he was like the 3rd or 4th option. 16-7-5 with 1.5 steals per game.

[dukes_wild]

It's ... debatable. Murray has a terrible injury history. And shooting really helps to win. Murray hasn't helped the Spurs to consistently win, whereas you can't deny that about Fred.

I wouldn't do that trade. It's not like Fred is a defensive liability.

I don't think it's fair to use team success as a way to compare their impact.

FVV has Siakam, OG, GTJ, Scottie.

Murray has Poeltl, White... Devin Vassell

He also has had LaMarcus Aldridge and all-star DeMar DeRozan. And Patty Mills and Rudy Gay off the bench. Team should have won more games.

DeRozan was not an all star with the Spurs though. and really? Aldridge? He played 20 games and was on the verge of having to retire.

Rudy Gay and Patty Mills. Lol.

[dukes_wild]

It's ... debatable. Murray has a terrible injury history. And shooting really helps to win. Murray hasn't helped the Spurs to consistently win, whereas you can't deny that about Fred.

I wouldn't do that trade. It's not like Fred is a defensive liability.

I don't think it's fair to use team success as a way to compare their impact.

FVV has Siakam, OG, GTJ, Scottie.

Murray has Poeltl, White... Devin Vassell

He also has had LaMarcus Aldridge and all-star DeMar DeRozan. And Patty Mills and Rudy Gay off the bench. Team should have won more games.

DeRozan was not an all star with the Spurs though. and really? Aldridge? He played 20 games and was on the verge of having to retire.

Rudy Gay and Patty Mills. Lol.

[BHF]

Out Siakam and Fred and in SGA and a Center plus picks. Make a push in the playoffs this year and next year while developing young talent. Instead of Developing Siakam and mr all by myself.

[dukes_wild]

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[LBJKB24MJ23]

Would you do Dragic for Kemba, Burks and charlotte 2022 2nd? You'd be taking on a Dragic amount of money for next year but I that would also provide salary ballast for trade next offseason if you want to make a bigger move next year.

i'd take Kemba at $10M off of the bench.

[Zeno]

Would you do Dragic for Kemba, Burks and charlotte 2022 2nd? You'd be taking on a Dragic amount of money for next year but I that would also provide salary ballast for trade next offseason if you want to make a bigger move next year.

i'd take Kemba at $10M off of the bench.

I guess it is a question of if he can be productive for 15 minutes a night. Him, Burks, Boucher, Precious and Khem is not a horrible 6-10 guys. At least Fred wouldn't need to play 40 minutes a night.

[Morris_Shatford]

Would you do Dragic for Kemba, Burks and charlotte 2022 2nd? You'd be taking on a Dragic amount of money for next year but I that would also provide salary ballast for trade next offseason if you want to make a bigger move next year.

I would imagine the Knicks would be content to unload the multiyear commitments of Kemba, Burks, Noel, and Fournier if they could and we are one of the few teams that has the expirings to assist them.

With that said Fournier's contract is something I have zero interest in, but the rest are all smallish sub 10m contracts that as long as you moved some future salary along with it could worked in and allowing the Raps to use their MLE and sign their FRP and remain under the tax.

You could in theory take on Noel, Burks, and Kemba (26m total) for Dragic, Birch (and his two years remaining beyond this season), and Svi (and his PO for next season) (27m total, and 11m-ish next season) and ideally the protected Dallas 2023 FRP coming along with those contracts.

Raps address some bench shooting and size in a very unsexy and unspectacular manner while getting a future asset and using Dragic's expiring. As to if the Knicks are all that interested in clearing those guys off for an FRP is another story.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Would you do Dragic for Kemba, Burks and charlotte 2022 2nd? You'd be taking on a Dragic amount of money for next year but I that would also provide salary ballast for trade next offseason if you want to make a bigger move next year.

i'd take Kemba at $10M off of the bench.

I guess it is a question of if he can be productive for 15 minutes a night. Him, Burks, Boucher, Precious and Khem is not a horrible 6-10 guys. At least Fred wouldn't need to play 40 minutes a night.

I'd say yes. he has a dynamic game but don't ask him to play elite defense lol

[Zeno]

Would you do Dragic for Kemba, Burks and charlotte 2022 2nd? You'd be taking on a Dragic amount of money for next year but I that would also provide salary ballast for trade next offseason if you want to make a bigger move next year.

I would imagine the Knicks would be content to unload the multiyear commitments of Kemba, Burks, Noel, and Fournier if they could and we are one of the few teams that has the expirings to assist them.

With that said Fournier's contract is something I have zero interest in, but the rest are all smallish sub 10m contracts that as long as you moved some future salary along with it could worked in and allowing the Raps to use their MLE and sign their FRP and remain under the tax.

You could in theory take on Noel, Burks, and Kemba (26m total) for Dragic, Birch (and his two years remaining beyond this season), and Svi (and his PO for next season) (27m total, and 11m-ish next season) and ideally the protected Dallas 2023 FRP coming along with those contracts.

Raps address some bench shooting and size in a very unsexy and unspectacular manner while getting a future asset and using Dragic's expiring. As to if the Knicks are all that interested in clearing those guys off for an FRP is another story.

I don't think you could get a 1st with that because I'm not sure they really want to dump Noel and they would still be taking on Birch which I think is a downgrade for them. Maybe you could get the Charlotte 2nd I mentioned. You'd save 450K this year so I think you might have room to convert Champagnie and open up a two-way spot to sign someone they want to try like maybe DJ Wilson or someone on the 905. But I also think this would probably mean keeping Boucher or Yuta next year isn't happening so perhaps it would be time to send those guys out too if you can get some 2nds.

[tecumseh18]

I don't think it's fair to use team success as a way to compare their impact.

FVV has Siakam, OG, GTJ, Scottie.

Murray has Poeltl, White... Devin Vassell

He also has had LaMarcus Aldridge and all-star DeMar DeRozan. And Patty Mills and Rudy Gay off the bench. Team should have won more games.

DeRozan was not an all star with the Spurs though. and really? Aldridge? He played 20 games and was on the verge of having to retire.

Rudy Gay and Patty Mills. Lol.

Oh, I see you like to just twist words rather than engage in constructive argument. Good to know.

Murray was drafted in 2016. He played with LMA for years. How successful was the team? DeMar has been the same damn player for half a decade. He was an all-star (actually all-NBA) with a top-ranked team when he was traded to the Spurs. He was an all-Star (probably all-NBA) after leaving the Spurs and going to the Bulls, a surprisingly top-ranked team this season. Did Murray make him better? Isn't the job of a PG to make your teammates better?

What's wrong with Patty Mills? He sure helped the 2013 Spurs sweep the Heat, and helped the Nets to keep winning this year despite ... issues. And Rudy Gay is a fine bench piece.

Ass.

[Madhouse]

Pacers are asking for 2 first rounders for Levert lol this asking prices are stupid.

[dukes_wild]

He also has had LaMarcus Aldridge and all-star DeMar DeRozan. And Patty Mills and Rudy Gay off the bench. Team should have won more games.

DeRozan was not an all star with the Spurs though. and really? Aldridge? He played 20 games and was on the verge of having to retire.

Rudy Gay and Patty Mills. Lol.

Oh, I see you like to just twist words rather than engage in constructive argument. Good to know.

Murray was drafted in 2016. He played with LMA for years. How successful was the team? DeMar has been the same damn player for half a decade. He was an all-star (actually all-NBA) with a top-ranked team when he was traded to the Spurs. He was an all-Star (probably all-NBA) after leaving the Spurs and going to the Bulls, a surprisingly top-ranked team this season. Did Murray make him better? Isn't the job of a PG to make your teammates better?

What's wrong with Patty Mills? He sure helped the 2013 Spurs sweep the Heat, and helped the Nets to keep winning this year despite ... issues. And Rudy Gay is a fine bench piece.

Ass.

What the hell? There is so much wrong with this post.

Murray was a 19 year old kid when he was drafted, he suffered injuries a season or two after. No **** he wasn't able to carry the Spurs those years, that has nothing to do with the original topic of current Dejounte vs current FVV

Murray and DeRozan was a terrible fit. We all knew this. Everyone questioned it at the time, but now you're saying they should have won more?

Rudy Gay has been a sub 2 win shares player the last like 4 years.

You're basically blaming Dejounte for not being able to carry a pretty weak Spurs team as a 20-21 year old point guard? Or that he wasn't able to get the Spurs to the playoffs last year when it was a consensus opinion around all fans that their roster of Murray/DD/Gay/Aldridge/Poeltl made absolutely zero sense?

Also are we just going to ignore that the Raptors last year were even worse than the Spurs, despite having a better roster? If Dejounte gets the blame for the Spurs sucking last year, why doesn't FVV get any?