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Post#781 » by Garbagelo » Fri Jan 28, 2022 4:37 am

NYKinMIA wrote:"National Security!?" :o

They're afraid now that Putin's down with mining and regulation they'll rule the hash rate and
and we'll fall way behind. Maybe 8-)



NOTE: for the uninitiated that haven't taken the tine to ACTUALLY read, research, and learn about the space and feel like regurgitating "opinions" being passed off as truth, ask yourself this and then google it.

Why are the 1% of the world taking steps to secure billions in bitcoin in decommissioned military bunkers?
THAT shyt made me go "daaaaaaamn!" It's just one small sign that mass adoption IS looming and shyts gonna change,
and the rich still gonna rich.
But you do you.


Relax it was just a rehash of an article from 3-4 days ago
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Post#782 » by SA37 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:53 am

NYKinMIA wrote:
Knicks Byke wrote:Hey guys, would love the crypto enthusiasts here to pull up on the discord. We're a small group of professionals helping each other in this new asset space. /end promotion :lol:

But seriously if you want to chop it up and learn, https://discord.gg/RxYvksH3


Can you post another invite link bruh? Or pm it to me, please.
Thanks!

I thumbed up an anti-crypto post by accident on a previous page :lol:

I came for gains but stayed for the tech. So many people here are just ngmi, bye. :wave:


I don't think it is about being "anti" crypto, so much as it is being unconvinced by a very unproven concept that has shown to be little more than an unregulated Ponzi scheme. In its current form, not only is crypto not apt to be a currency, but it is a volatile asset class that only has value because it can be swapped out for FIAT money. This means it is not only not a currency, but it is also not a store of wealth, like a house or gold. On top of that, what can be bought with crypto is limited to a minimum number of things at this point and the volatility of cryptocurrencies makes them a risky asset to hold.

Of course, this could all change down the road; however, you're not buying crypto for the technology behind it or its potential to make finance more democratic or any other of the narratives that are circulating; you've bought in or are considering buying in because you believe its value will jump exponentially in a very short amount of time and you'll be obscenely rich. This is especially true for cryptocurrencies have a value of .00000003674 and you're hoping will jump to .00003674. (Let me be clear: there is nothing wrong with that; people speculate with other assets and stocks as well.) However, this is akin to dabbling in the junk-bond market, but with a lot more upside. The problem is, that upside is dependent on some sort of sudden "gold rush" reaction to a narrative or to a tweet (see: Dogecoin or meme stocks).

I do see the potential for cryptocurrencies, NFTs, and the blockchain technology, but I just don't share the level of enthusiasm as all the diamond hands out there :wink:
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Post#783 » by NYKinMIA » Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:33 pm

Garbagelo wrote:
NYKinMIA wrote:"National Security!?" :o

They're afraid now that Putin's down with mining and regulation they'll rule the hash rate and
and we'll fall way behind. Maybe 8-)



NOTE: for the uninitiated that haven't taken the tine to ACTUALLY read, research, and learn about the space and feel like regurgitating "opinions" being passed off as truth, ask yourself this and then google it.

Why are the 1% of the world taking steps to secure billions in bitcoin in decommissioned military bunkers?
THAT shyt made me go "daaaaaaamn!" It's just one small sign that mass adoption IS looming and shyts gonna change,
and the rich still gonna rich.
But you do you.


Relax it was just a rehash of an article from 3-4 days ago

I'm chillin' fam. I was just being my sarcastic self :lol:
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Post#784 » by NYKinMIA » Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:34 pm

SA37 wrote:I don't think it is about being "anti" crypto, so much as it is being unconvinced by a very unproven concept that has shown to be little more than an unregulated Ponzi scheme. In its current form, not only is crypto not apt to be a currency, but it is a volatile asset class that only has value because it can be swapped out for FIAT money. This means it is not only not a currency, but it is also not a store of wealth, like a house or gold. On top of that, what can be bought with crypto is limited to a minimum number of things at this point and the volatility of cryptocurrencies makes them a risky asset to hold.

Of course, this could all change down the road; however, you're not buying crypto for the technology behind it or its potential to make finance more democratic or any other of the narratives that are circulating; you've bought in or are considering buying in because you believe its value will jump exponentially in a very short amount of time and you'll be obscenely rich. This is especially true for cryptocurrencies have a value of .00000003674 and you're hoping will jump to .00003674. (Let me be clear: there is nothing wrong with that; people speculate with other assets and stocks as well.) However, this is akin to dabbling in the junk-bond market, but with a lot more upside. The problem is, that upside is dependent on some sort of sudden "gold rush" reaction to a narrative or to a tweet (see: Dogecoin or meme stocks).

I do see the potential for cryptocurrencies, NFTs, and the blockchain technology, but I just don't share the level of enthusiasm as all the diamond hands out there :wink:

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Post#785 » by Knicks Byke » Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:56 pm

idk, I've been earning 30k a month in passive income since June. no cap.

edit: not meant to be a humble brag but just pointing out the fact that there is real money to be made here and we need to capitalize on this opportunity.
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Post#786 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:06 pm

Knicks Byke wrote:idk, I've been earning 30k a month in passive income since June. no cap.


Outdoor draft party at your palace this summer! 8-)
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Post#787 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:10 pm

Here's an article in today's HuffPost. Wonder what you experts think about it.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cryptocurrency-crash-finances_n_61f44c16e4b0061af25edff3

Cryptocurrency Is Not the Financial Promised Land
Many people of color believe that cryptocurrency is going free them from financial slavery. But I'm not sure it's the next underground railroad.

By : Stephen A. Crockett Jr.
01/28/2022 04:46pm EST

In November, Miami mayor Francis Suarez — who has vowed to make his city the crypto capital of the world — announced that he was taking his next paycheck in Bitcoin.
Not to be outdone, then-newly elected New York City mayor Eric Adams tweeted that he would be taking his first three paychecks and throwing them into the cryptocurrency pool.

“In New York we always go big, so I’m going to take my first THREE paychecks in Bitcoin when I become mayor,” Adams tweeted. “NYC is going to be the center of the cryptocurrency industry and other fast-growing, innovative industries! Just wait!”

And then it all went to pot. For both men.

On Jan. 21, Adams, Suarez, and the rest of the world watched as cryptocurrency tanked, taking a 47% nosedive from its all-time high in November. Folks didn’t lose their shirts; they lost their pants, shoes, socks and underclothes.

Just look at Los Angeles Rams wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr., who elected to take his $750,000 salary in Bitcoin. It was a huge gamble that hasn’t paid off. After Bitcoin’s crash, Beckham would net somewhere around $35,000 off that salary if he cashed in now. Don’t worry about poor Odell though — he still has several team-based incentives that could net him some $3 million this year, so he’s going to be fine.

But for the paycheck-to-paycheck workers who can’t gamble a year’s worth of pay on what essentially amounts to Monopoly money, cryptocurrency has become a pipe dream or a mythical golden ticket to wealth and financial freedom that might as well be about as real as a 7-Eleven in the middle of the Mojave Desert. Some Black people truly believe that cryptocurrency is a bridge to close the wealth gap, or that it has the magical ability to undo years of redlining — which effectively ruined property values for Black people — and the economic impact of racism in financial institutions.

In 2021, Time magazine covered the Black Blockchain Summit on Howard University’s campus. This was the opening paragraph of the piece: “At the Black Blockchain Summit, there is almost no conversation about making money that does not carry with it the possibility of liberation.”

A study found that in 2021, Blacks and Latinx make up 32% of the U.S. population and 64% percent of the country’s unbanked. After decades of being systematically frozen out of banking or forced to pay higher interest rates or more transaction fees than their white counterparts, it makes sense that cryptocurrency would seem like a way to wealth. But, is it even worth the trouble?

I don’t say that lightly. I spent days researching cryptocurrency to have a firm base and depth of understanding, and I still have no idea what it is. Well, that isn’t entirely true. It sounds like Disney dollars but less tangible, less transactional and less stable. Seriously, this is an actual definition of cryptocurrency I found on a page called, “What is Cryptocurrency? [Everything You Need To Know!]”

“Cryptocurrency is an internet-based medium of exchange which uses cryptographical functions to conduct financial transactions. Cryptocurrencies leverage blockchain technology to gain decentralization, transparency and immutability.”

Yep, got it.

Despite these intense definitions and the use of something called a “blockchain,” it hasn’t stopped Black and Latinx people from investing in the highly volatile mystery money. Some 23% percent of African Americans and 17% of Hispanic Americans own some form of cryptocurrency compared to 11% of white Americans, according to recent surveys conducted by Harris Poll and provided to USA Today.

I don’t know that all first-time get-rich-quick investors involved in cryptocurrency fully understand what they’re investing in. Still, something tells me that hearing the stories of small investments turned into large profits being shared on social media might have something to do with it. Add to that years of being denied fair banking, or being charged larger fees for nominal transactions, or completely being devalued as a customer, and I understand the fascination with hopping on the money train earlier, even if you don’t have all the facts.

“I usually ask people two questions when they come to me wanting to put their money into cryptocurrency: What is your goal and what is your time frame?” Joel Harrison, head of Harrison Affiliates, who spends his days investing, coaching, and consulting about all things stock-related, told HuffPost. “Those are the questions most people can’t answer.”

And that might be because, during the onset of digital currency, people of color were bombarded with celebrities pushing crypto on them as if it was a new underground railroad out of financial slavery. It almost felt predatory.

Cobinhood got Jamie Foxx to endorse what they claimed was the world’s first free cryptocurrency exchange. Cobinhood started as one of the biggest crypto exchange sites, but in 2021, it started cutting integral pieces of its setup, including live-person customer service.

In 2018, boxer Floyd Mayweather and producer DJ Khaled were paid promoters of the now-defunct Centra Tech cryptocurrency. The whole thing turned out to be a scam, and Centra Tech founders Raymond Trapani, Sohrab Sharma and Robert Farkas “were found guilty of trying to defraud investors with their ICO (initial coin offering),” according to Bleacher Report.

When CashApp began accepting Bitcoin, they needed someone to hit the right audience with their message. That person was the CEO of Hot Girl Enterprises, MC Megan Thee Stallion, who noted during her commercial, “Bitcoin for Hotties,” that “With my knowledge and your hustle, you’ll have your own empire in no time.”

Mike Tyson even has his own Bitcoin app, “Mike Tyson Bitcoin.” The branded wallet, which was created by the company Bitcoin Direct, allows users to store, purchase or sell the digital currency bitcoin.

“Tyson is a universal star,” Bitcoin Direct’s CEO, Peter Klamka, said in a press statement, per CNBC. “People around the world of all ages know Mike Tyson, and as such Tyson’s potential to expand the Bitcoin market is dramatic.”

And that’s it exactly! If people believe in the endorsement of Mike Tyson, or flamboyant millionaire Floyd Mayweather, or famed music makers DJ Khaled and Megan Thee Stallion, then they don’t necessarily need to know what they’re selling to want to buy into it.

Don’t listen to me, though. Listen to the sage financial advisers the Wu-Tang Clan. In 1993, the Shaolin Island natives gave us the helpful acronym to remind us of the importance of sound financial decision-making: “C.R.E.A.M. (Cash Rules Everything Around Me).”

In 2017, It was announced that Wu-Tang member Ghostface Killah was starting a cryptocurrency company.
One of the company’s top brass was leery of the rapper’s influence on people who might listen to his pitch without fully understanding what he’s talking about.

“I think the interest of celebrities is a bit of a double-edged sword,” Brett Westbrook, chief executive at Cream Capital, told CNBC.

“I personally think that anything that puts cryptocurrencies in front of the eyes of everyday people is a great thing for the markets overall. On the other hand, I believe it’s important that celebrities know the importance of their endorsements and understand the underlying principles of blockchain technology,” he said.

“The last thing we need is a household name promoting what turns out to be a scam ICO.”

And therein lies the rub. Digital currency is such a place of possibility for many folks who’ve felt spurned by traditional banking. They see digital currency as an alternative way to make it rich. Sadly — and this is the soft part that won’t get said out loud — the most susceptible group, most likely to see cryptocurrency the same way they would the roulette wheel in Vegas, are people of color.

“There has been a long history of discrimination in investments,” John Gerzema, CEO of the Harris Poll, told USA Today. “And that could be why we have seen a wide demography of interest and inclusivity in crypto — because it’s new, open and seemingly has fewer barriers to entry.”

So you have this magical money train, an underserved banking community and Black celebrities pushing cryptocurrency on to them. I mean, what could go wrong?

According to the Federal Trade Commission, People in their 20s and 30s reported losing far more money to crypto investment cons than any other type of fraud.

“Since October 2020, reports have skyrocketed, with nearly 7,000 people reporting losses of more than $80 million on these scams. Their reported median loss? $1,900,” the FTC reported.

But Harrison said that’s only a problem if you don’t know what you’re doing. This might be most of us, considering cryptocurrency doesn’t come with the most user-friendly explainers.

“Statistically, cryptocurrency has been the biggest producer of wealth in the last 10 years,” Harrison said. “But the one thing I don’t like is how people are approaching the crypto market. They’re not understanding value or market capitalization. And that’s where you are going to make your money.”

Ahhh, yes. Market capitalization. Got it.

Harrison believes that the hip-hop community, superstar athletes and the world’s wealthiest people talking about the impact of crypto helped hook Black people on the currency.

“You have Nas rapping about it, Elon Musk and Apple CEO Tim Cook talking about it, and once you start hearing the wealthiest people in the world talking about it, it becomes really mainstream,” he said.
Harrison isn’t worried about Odell Beckham Jr.’s significant loss. “He’ll be all right,” he said. Large drops have happened before. He added that he’s been buying a bit of Bitcoin every two weeks for the last three years.

“And I’ve been doing well,” Harrison said.

Well, I’m ready to invest. Now, if someone could just explain what I’m investing in.
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Post#788 » by Knicks Byke » Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:30 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:Here's an article in today's HuffPost. Wonder what you experts think about it.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cryptocurrency-crash-finances_n_61f44c16e4b0061af25edff3

Cryptocurrency Is Not the Financial Promised Land
Many people of color believe that cryptocurrency is going free them from financial slavery. But I'm not sure it's the next underground railroad.

By : Stephen A. Crockett Jr.
01/28/2022 04:46pm EST

In November, Miami mayor Francis Suarez — who has vowed to make his city the crypto capital of the world — announced that he was taking his next paycheck in Bitcoin.
Not to be outdone, then-newly elected New York City mayor Eric Adams tweeted that he would be taking his first three paychecks and throwing them into the cryptocurrency pool.

“In New York we always go big, so I’m going to take my first THREE paychecks in Bitcoin when I become mayor,” Adams tweeted. “NYC is going to be the center of the cryptocurrency industry and other fast-growing, innovative industries! Just wait!”

And then it all went to pot. For both men.

On Jan. 21, Adams, Suarez, and the rest of the world watched as cryptocurrency tanked, taking a 47% nosedive from its all-time high in November. Folks didn’t lose their shirts; they lost their pants, shoes, socks and underclothes.

Just look at Los Angeles Rams wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr., who elected to take his $750,000 salary in Bitcoin. It was a huge gamble that hasn’t paid off. After Bitcoin’s crash, Beckham would net somewhere around $35,000 off that salary if he cashed in now. Don’t worry about poor Odell though — he still has several team-based incentives that could net him some $3 million this year, so he’s going to be fine.

But for the paycheck-to-paycheck workers who can’t gamble a year’s worth of pay on what essentially amounts to Monopoly money, cryptocurrency has become a pipe dream or a mythical golden ticket to wealth and financial freedom that might as well be about as real as a 7-Eleven in the middle of the Mojave Desert. Some Black people truly believe that cryptocurrency is a bridge to close the wealth gap, or that it has the magical ability to undo years of redlining — which effectively ruined property values for Black people — and the economic impact of racism in financial institutions.

In 2021, Time magazine covered the Black Blockchain Summit on Howard University’s campus. This was the opening paragraph of the piece: “At the Black Blockchain Summit, there is almost no conversation about making money that does not carry with it the possibility of liberation.”

A study found that in 2021, Blacks and Latinx make up 32% of the U.S. population and 64% percent of the country’s unbanked. After decades of being systematically frozen out of banking or forced to pay higher interest rates or more transaction fees than their white counterparts, it makes sense that cryptocurrency would seem like a way to wealth. But, is it even worth the trouble?

I don’t say that lightly. I spent days researching cryptocurrency to have a firm base and depth of understanding, and I still have no idea what it is. Well, that isn’t entirely true. It sounds like Disney dollars but less tangible, less transactional and less stable. Seriously, this is an actual definition of cryptocurrency I found on a page called, “What is Cryptocurrency? [Everything You Need To Know!]”

“Cryptocurrency is an internet-based medium of exchange which uses cryptographical functions to conduct financial transactions. Cryptocurrencies leverage blockchain technology to gain decentralization, transparency and immutability.”

Yep, got it.

Despite these intense definitions and the use of something called a “blockchain,” it hasn’t stopped Black and Latinx people from investing in the highly volatile mystery money. Some 23% percent of African Americans and 17% of Hispanic Americans own some form of cryptocurrency compared to 11% of white Americans, according to recent surveys conducted by Harris Poll and provided to USA Today.

I don’t know that all first-time get-rich-quick investors involved in cryptocurrency fully understand what they’re investing in. Still, something tells me that hearing the stories of small investments turned into large profits being shared on social media might have something to do with it. Add to that years of being denied fair banking, or being charged larger fees for nominal transactions, or completely being devalued as a customer, and I understand the fascination with hopping on the money train earlier, even if you don’t have all the facts.

“I usually ask people two questions when they come to me wanting to put their money into cryptocurrency: What is your goal and what is your time frame?” Joel Harrison, head of Harrison Affiliates, who spends his days investing, coaching, and consulting about all things stock-related, told HuffPost. “Those are the questions most people can’t answer.”

And that might be because, during the onset of digital currency, people of color were bombarded with celebrities pushing crypto on them as if it was a new underground railroad out of financial slavery. It almost felt predatory.

Cobinhood got Jamie Foxx to endorse what they claimed was the world’s first free cryptocurrency exchange. Cobinhood started as one of the biggest crypto exchange sites, but in 2021, it started cutting integral pieces of its setup, including live-person customer service.

In 2018, boxer Floyd Mayweather and producer DJ Khaled were paid promoters of the now-defunct Centra Tech cryptocurrency. The whole thing turned out to be a scam, and Centra Tech founders Raymond Trapani, Sohrab Sharma and Robert Farkas “were found guilty of trying to defraud investors with their ICO (initial coin offering),” according to Bleacher Report.

When CashApp began accepting Bitcoin, they needed someone to hit the right audience with their message. That person was the CEO of Hot Girl Enterprises, MC Megan Thee Stallion, who noted during her commercial, “Bitcoin for Hotties,” that “With my knowledge and your hustle, you’ll have your own empire in no time.”

Mike Tyson even has his own Bitcoin app, “Mike Tyson Bitcoin.” The branded wallet, which was created by the company Bitcoin Direct, allows users to store, purchase or sell the digital currency bitcoin.

“Tyson is a universal star,” Bitcoin Direct’s CEO, Peter Klamka, said in a press statement, per CNBC. “People around the world of all ages know Mike Tyson, and as such Tyson’s potential to expand the Bitcoin market is dramatic.”

And that’s it exactly! If people believe in the endorsement of Mike Tyson, or flamboyant millionaire Floyd Mayweather, or famed music makers DJ Khaled and Megan Thee Stallion, then they don’t necessarily need to know what they’re selling to want to buy into it.

Don’t listen to me, though. Listen to the sage financial advisers the Wu-Tang Clan. In 1993, the Shaolin Island natives gave us the helpful acronym to remind us of the importance of sound financial decision-making: “C.R.E.A.M. (Cash Rules Everything Around Me).”

In 2017, It was announced that Wu-Tang member Ghostface Killah was starting a cryptocurrency company.
One of the company’s top brass was leery of the rapper’s influence on people who might listen to his pitch without fully understanding what he’s talking about.

“I think the interest of celebrities is a bit of a double-edged sword,” Brett Westbrook, chief executive at Cream Capital, told CNBC.

“I personally think that anything that puts cryptocurrencies in front of the eyes of everyday people is a great thing for the markets overall. On the other hand, I believe it’s important that celebrities know the importance of their endorsements and understand the underlying principles of blockchain technology,” he said.

“The last thing we need is a household name promoting what turns out to be a scam ICO.”

And therein lies the rub. Digital currency is such a place of possibility for many folks who’ve felt spurned by traditional banking. They see digital currency as an alternative way to make it rich. Sadly — and this is the soft part that won’t get said out loud — the most susceptible group, most likely to see cryptocurrency the same way they would the roulette wheel in Vegas, are people of color.

“There has been a long history of discrimination in investments,” John Gerzema, CEO of the Harris Poll, told USA Today. “And that could be why we have seen a wide demography of interest and inclusivity in crypto — because it’s new, open and seemingly has fewer barriers to entry.”

So you have this magical money train, an underserved banking community and Black celebrities pushing cryptocurrency on to them. I mean, what could go wrong?

According to the Federal Trade Commission, People in their 20s and 30s reported losing far more money to crypto investment cons than any other type of fraud.

“Since October 2020, reports have skyrocketed, with nearly 7,000 people reporting losses of more than $80 million on these scams. Their reported median loss? $1,900,” the FTC reported.

But Harrison said that’s only a problem if you don’t know what you’re doing. This might be most of us, considering cryptocurrency doesn’t come with the most user-friendly explainers.

“Statistically, cryptocurrency has been the biggest producer of wealth in the last 10 years,” Harrison said. “But the one thing I don’t like is how people are approaching the crypto market. They’re not understanding value or market capitalization. And that’s where you are going to make your money.”

Ahhh, yes. Market capitalization. Got it.

Harrison believes that the hip-hop community, superstar athletes and the world’s wealthiest people talking about the impact of crypto helped hook Black people on the currency.

“You have Nas rapping about it, Elon Musk and Apple CEO Tim Cook talking about it, and once you start hearing the wealthiest people in the world talking about it, it becomes really mainstream,” he said.
Harrison isn’t worried about Odell Beckham Jr.’s significant loss. “He’ll be all right,” he said. Large drops have happened before. He added that he’s been buying a bit of Bitcoin every two weeks for the last three years.

“And I’ve been doing well,” Harrison said.

Well, I’m ready to invest. Now, if someone could just explain what I’m investing in.


man that's a long article lol.

I can go on about crypto for hours so I'll try to simplify my thoughts.

Cryptocurrency as a whole is still wildy unregulated besides the two top assets, Btc and Eth hope you see the irony. Crypto is full of scams particularly nfts although the tech behind it is what we should be paying attention to. A lot of the stuff you're seeing is quickening adoption for sure but don't get too caught up trying to find the next 100x coin. There are real projects out there with real people that are disrupting the industry they are after. That's where you should bet your money.

There's also ways to earn passive income. With the metaverse being pushed to us rather quickly, there are ways to earn while playing or by owning digital land. You can oppose this idea but this train is moving regardless. You can also stake high apy Dao projects which is super risky and sus imo. You can also run nodes (strongblock and thor) pays the most. If you don't know what nodes are, I suggest reading a bit since they are integral to any blockchain. a lot of these are rugs and potential scams, so the best BET* is to invest in a team that's established in the space and has a good background. This is the new internet bubble of the 90s and many of these projects won't last once we have regulations. Take profits and reinvest back in the game or in other asset classes.

One thing is for certain, this is no longer a bubble or a fad. I mean, the Lakers arena didn't change their name in 22 years to crypto.com without doing some due diligence.
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Post#789 » by bigtimeRC3 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:41 pm

lmao the fud surrounding crypto is ridiculous. this happens almost every year. bitcoin scam etc etc, price still goes up in the long term. if people say crypto is a ponzi, everything else is as well. the first to enter anything will receive the benefits. sure there are many cryptos that are scams, there are also many stocks in the stock market that are scam as well. its all about perception
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Post#790 » by robillionaire » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:04 pm

Knicks Byke wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Here's an article in today's HuffPost. Wonder what you experts think about it.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cryptocurrency-crash-finances_n_61f44c16e4b0061af25edff3

Cryptocurrency Is Not the Financial Promised Land
Many people of color believe that cryptocurrency is going free them from financial slavery. But I'm not sure it's the next underground railroad.

By : Stephen A. Crockett Jr.
01/28/2022 04:46pm EST

In November, Miami mayor Francis Suarez — who has vowed to make his city the crypto capital of the world — announced that he was taking his next paycheck in Bitcoin.
Not to be outdone, then-newly elected New York City mayor Eric Adams tweeted that he would be taking his first three paychecks and throwing them into the cryptocurrency pool.

“In New York we always go big, so I’m going to take my first THREE paychecks in Bitcoin when I become mayor,” Adams tweeted. “NYC is going to be the center of the cryptocurrency industry and other fast-growing, innovative industries! Just wait!”

And then it all went to pot. For both men.

On Jan. 21, Adams, Suarez, and the rest of the world watched as cryptocurrency tanked, taking a 47% nosedive from its all-time high in November. Folks didn’t lose their shirts; they lost their pants, shoes, socks and underclothes.

Just look at Los Angeles Rams wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr., who elected to take his $750,000 salary in Bitcoin. It was a huge gamble that hasn’t paid off. After Bitcoin’s crash, Beckham would net somewhere around $35,000 off that salary if he cashed in now. Don’t worry about poor Odell though — he still has several team-based incentives that could net him some $3 million this year, so he’s going to be fine.

But for the paycheck-to-paycheck workers who can’t gamble a year’s worth of pay on what essentially amounts to Monopoly money, cryptocurrency has become a pipe dream or a mythical golden ticket to wealth and financial freedom that might as well be about as real as a 7-Eleven in the middle of the Mojave Desert. Some Black people truly believe that cryptocurrency is a bridge to close the wealth gap, or that it has the magical ability to undo years of redlining — which effectively ruined property values for Black people — and the economic impact of racism in financial institutions.

In 2021, Time magazine covered the Black Blockchain Summit on Howard University’s campus. This was the opening paragraph of the piece: “At the Black Blockchain Summit, there is almost no conversation about making money that does not carry with it the possibility of liberation.”

A study found that in 2021, Blacks and Latinx make up 32% of the U.S. population and 64% percent of the country’s unbanked. After decades of being systematically frozen out of banking or forced to pay higher interest rates or more transaction fees than their white counterparts, it makes sense that cryptocurrency would seem like a way to wealth. But, is it even worth the trouble?

I don’t say that lightly. I spent days researching cryptocurrency to have a firm base and depth of understanding, and I still have no idea what it is. Well, that isn’t entirely true. It sounds like Disney dollars but less tangible, less transactional and less stable. Seriously, this is an actual definition of cryptocurrency I found on a page called, “What is Cryptocurrency? [Everything You Need To Know!]”

“Cryptocurrency is an internet-based medium of exchange which uses cryptographical functions to conduct financial transactions. Cryptocurrencies leverage blockchain technology to gain decentralization, transparency and immutability.”

Yep, got it.

Despite these intense definitions and the use of something called a “blockchain,” it hasn’t stopped Black and Latinx people from investing in the highly volatile mystery money. Some 23% percent of African Americans and 17% of Hispanic Americans own some form of cryptocurrency compared to 11% of white Americans, according to recent surveys conducted by Harris Poll and provided to USA Today.

I don’t know that all first-time get-rich-quick investors involved in cryptocurrency fully understand what they’re investing in. Still, something tells me that hearing the stories of small investments turned into large profits being shared on social media might have something to do with it. Add to that years of being denied fair banking, or being charged larger fees for nominal transactions, or completely being devalued as a customer, and I understand the fascination with hopping on the money train earlier, even if you don’t have all the facts.

“I usually ask people two questions when they come to me wanting to put their money into cryptocurrency: What is your goal and what is your time frame?” Joel Harrison, head of Harrison Affiliates, who spends his days investing, coaching, and consulting about all things stock-related, told HuffPost. “Those are the questions most people can’t answer.”

And that might be because, during the onset of digital currency, people of color were bombarded with celebrities pushing crypto on them as if it was a new underground railroad out of financial slavery. It almost felt predatory.

Cobinhood got Jamie Foxx to endorse what they claimed was the world’s first free cryptocurrency exchange. Cobinhood started as one of the biggest crypto exchange sites, but in 2021, it started cutting integral pieces of its setup, including live-person customer service.

In 2018, boxer Floyd Mayweather and producer DJ Khaled were paid promoters of the now-defunct Centra Tech cryptocurrency. The whole thing turned out to be a scam, and Centra Tech founders Raymond Trapani, Sohrab Sharma and Robert Farkas “were found guilty of trying to defraud investors with their ICO (initial coin offering),” according to Bleacher Report.

When CashApp began accepting Bitcoin, they needed someone to hit the right audience with their message. That person was the CEO of Hot Girl Enterprises, MC Megan Thee Stallion, who noted during her commercial, “Bitcoin for Hotties,” that “With my knowledge and your hustle, you’ll have your own empire in no time.”

Mike Tyson even has his own Bitcoin app, “Mike Tyson Bitcoin.” The branded wallet, which was created by the company Bitcoin Direct, allows users to store, purchase or sell the digital currency bitcoin.

“Tyson is a universal star,” Bitcoin Direct’s CEO, Peter Klamka, said in a press statement, per CNBC. “People around the world of all ages know Mike Tyson, and as such Tyson’s potential to expand the Bitcoin market is dramatic.”

And that’s it exactly! If people believe in the endorsement of Mike Tyson, or flamboyant millionaire Floyd Mayweather, or famed music makers DJ Khaled and Megan Thee Stallion, then they don’t necessarily need to know what they’re selling to want to buy into it.

Don’t listen to me, though. Listen to the sage financial advisers the Wu-Tang Clan. In 1993, the Shaolin Island natives gave us the helpful acronym to remind us of the importance of sound financial decision-making: “C.R.E.A.M. (Cash Rules Everything Around Me).”

In 2017, It was announced that Wu-Tang member Ghostface Killah was starting a cryptocurrency company.
One of the company’s top brass was leery of the rapper’s influence on people who might listen to his pitch without fully understanding what he’s talking about.

“I think the interest of celebrities is a bit of a double-edged sword,” Brett Westbrook, chief executive at Cream Capital, told CNBC.

“I personally think that anything that puts cryptocurrencies in front of the eyes of everyday people is a great thing for the markets overall. On the other hand, I believe it’s important that celebrities know the importance of their endorsements and understand the underlying principles of blockchain technology,” he said.

“The last thing we need is a household name promoting what turns out to be a scam ICO.”

And therein lies the rub. Digital currency is such a place of possibility for many folks who’ve felt spurned by traditional banking. They see digital currency as an alternative way to make it rich. Sadly — and this is the soft part that won’t get said out loud — the most susceptible group, most likely to see cryptocurrency the same way they would the roulette wheel in Vegas, are people of color.

“There has been a long history of discrimination in investments,” John Gerzema, CEO of the Harris Poll, told USA Today. “And that could be why we have seen a wide demography of interest and inclusivity in crypto — because it’s new, open and seemingly has fewer barriers to entry.”

So you have this magical money train, an underserved banking community and Black celebrities pushing cryptocurrency on to them. I mean, what could go wrong?

According to the Federal Trade Commission, People in their 20s and 30s reported losing far more money to crypto investment cons than any other type of fraud.

“Since October 2020, reports have skyrocketed, with nearly 7,000 people reporting losses of more than $80 million on these scams. Their reported median loss? $1,900,” the FTC reported.

But Harrison said that’s only a problem if you don’t know what you’re doing. This might be most of us, considering cryptocurrency doesn’t come with the most user-friendly explainers.

“Statistically, cryptocurrency has been the biggest producer of wealth in the last 10 years,” Harrison said. “But the one thing I don’t like is how people are approaching the crypto market. They’re not understanding value or market capitalization. And that’s where you are going to make your money.”

Ahhh, yes. Market capitalization. Got it.

Harrison believes that the hip-hop community, superstar athletes and the world’s wealthiest people talking about the impact of crypto helped hook Black people on the currency.

“You have Nas rapping about it, Elon Musk and Apple CEO Tim Cook talking about it, and once you start hearing the wealthiest people in the world talking about it, it becomes really mainstream,” he said.
Harrison isn’t worried about Odell Beckham Jr.’s significant loss. “He’ll be all right,” he said. Large drops have happened before. He added that he’s been buying a bit of Bitcoin every two weeks for the last three years.

“And I’ve been doing well,” Harrison said.

Well, I’m ready to invest. Now, if someone could just explain what I’m investing in.


man that's a long article lol.

I can go on about crypto for hours so I'll try to simplify my thoughts.

Cryptocurrency as a whole is still wildy unregulated besides the two top assets, Btc and Eth hope you see the irony. Crypto is full of scams particularly nfts although the tech behind it is what we should be paying attention to. A lot of the stuff you're seeing is quickening adoption for sure but don't get too caught up trying to find the next 100x coin. There are real projects out there with real people that are disrupting the industry they are after. That's where you should bet your money.

There's also ways to earn passive income. With the metaverse being pushed to us rather quickly, there are ways to earn while playing or by owning digital land. You can oppose this idea but this train is moving regardless. You can also stake high apy Dao projects which is super risky and sus imo. You can also run nodes (strongblock and thor) pays the most. If you don't know what nodes are, I suggest reading a bit since they are integral to any blockchain. a lot of these are rugs and potential scams, so the best BET* is to invest in a team that's established in the space and has a good background. This is the new internet bubble of the 90s and many of these projects won't last once we have regulations. Take profits and reinvest back in the game or in other asset classes.

One thing is for certain, this is no longer a bubble or a fad. I mean, the Lakers arena didn't change their name in 22 years to crypto.com without doing some due diligence.


I will say to that point that there are many many recent examples of stadiums named after companies that go bankrupt. The due diligence is that they paid them
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Post#791 » by seren » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:05 pm

Can someone direct me to a research report with hard statistics on crypto? Like size of market, how many people own crypto, large firms and their revenues, trends on these etc? TIA
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Post#792 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:21 pm

Knicks Byke wrote:
Spoiler:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Here's an article in today's HuffPost. Wonder what you experts think about it.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cryptocurrency-crash-finances_n_61f44c16e4b0061af25edff3

Cryptocurrency Is Not the Financial Promised Land
Many people of color believe that cryptocurrency is going free them from financial slavery. But I'm not sure it's the next underground railroad.

By : Stephen A. Crockett Jr.
01/28/2022 04:46pm EST

In November, Miami mayor Francis Suarez — who has vowed to make his city the crypto capital of the world — announced that he was taking his next paycheck in Bitcoin.
Not to be outdone, then-newly elected New York City mayor Eric Adams tweeted that he would be taking his first three paychecks and throwing them into the cryptocurrency pool.

“In New York we always go big, so I’m going to take my first THREE paychecks in Bitcoin when I become mayor,” Adams tweeted. “NYC is going to be the center of the cryptocurrency industry and other fast-growing, innovative industries! Just wait!”

And then it all went to pot. For both men.

On Jan. 21, Adams, Suarez, and the rest of the world watched as cryptocurrency tanked, taking a 47% nosedive from its all-time high in November. Folks didn’t lose their shirts; they lost their pants, shoes, socks and underclothes.

Just look at Los Angeles Rams wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr., who elected to take his $750,000 salary in Bitcoin. It was a huge gamble that hasn’t paid off. After Bitcoin’s crash, Beckham would net somewhere around $35,000 off that salary if he cashed in now. Don’t worry about poor Odell though — he still has several team-based incentives that could net him some $3 million this year, so he’s going to be fine.

But for the paycheck-to-paycheck workers who can’t gamble a year’s worth of pay on what essentially amounts to Monopoly money, cryptocurrency has become a pipe dream or a mythical golden ticket to wealth and financial freedom that might as well be about as real as a 7-Eleven in the middle of the Mojave Desert. Some Black people truly believe that cryptocurrency is a bridge to close the wealth gap, or that it has the magical ability to undo years of redlining — which effectively ruined property values for Black people — and the economic impact of racism in financial institutions.

In 2021, Time magazine covered the Black Blockchain Summit on Howard University’s campus. This was the opening paragraph of the piece: “At the Black Blockchain Summit, there is almost no conversation about making money that does not carry with it the possibility of liberation.”

A study found that in 2021, Blacks and Latinx make up 32% of the U.S. population and 64% percent of the country’s unbanked. After decades of being systematically frozen out of banking or forced to pay higher interest rates or more transaction fees than their white counterparts, it makes sense that cryptocurrency would seem like a way to wealth. But, is it even worth the trouble?

I don’t say that lightly. I spent days researching cryptocurrency to have a firm base and depth of understanding, and I still have no idea what it is. Well, that isn’t entirely true. It sounds like Disney dollars but less tangible, less transactional and less stable. Seriously, this is an actual definition of cryptocurrency I found on a page called, “What is Cryptocurrency? [Everything You Need To Know!]”

“Cryptocurrency is an internet-based medium of exchange which uses cryptographical functions to conduct financial transactions. Cryptocurrencies leverage blockchain technology to gain decentralization, transparency and immutability.”

Yep, got it.

Despite these intense definitions and the use of something called a “blockchain,” it hasn’t stopped Black and Latinx people from investing in the highly volatile mystery money. Some 23% percent of African Americans and 17% of Hispanic Americans own some form of cryptocurrency compared to 11% of white Americans, according to recent surveys conducted by Harris Poll and provided to USA Today.

I don’t know that all first-time get-rich-quick investors involved in cryptocurrency fully understand what they’re investing in. Still, something tells me that hearing the stories of small investments turned into large profits being shared on social media might have something to do with it. Add to that years of being denied fair banking, or being charged larger fees for nominal transactions, or completely being devalued as a customer, and I understand the fascination with hopping on the money train earlier, even if you don’t have all the facts.

“I usually ask people two questions when they come to me wanting to put their money into cryptocurrency: What is your goal and what is your time frame?” Joel Harrison, head of Harrison Affiliates, who spends his days investing, coaching, and consulting about all things stock-related, told HuffPost. “Those are the questions most people can’t answer.”

And that might be because, during the onset of digital currency, people of color were bombarded with celebrities pushing crypto on them as if it was a new underground railroad out of financial slavery. It almost felt predatory.

Cobinhood got Jamie Foxx to endorse what they claimed was the world’s first free cryptocurrency exchange. Cobinhood started as one of the biggest crypto exchange sites, but in 2021, it started cutting integral pieces of its setup, including live-person customer service.

In 2018, boxer Floyd Mayweather and producer DJ Khaled were paid promoters of the now-defunct Centra Tech cryptocurrency. The whole thing turned out to be a scam, and Centra Tech founders Raymond Trapani, Sohrab Sharma and Robert Farkas “were found guilty of trying to defraud investors with their ICO (initial coin offering),” according to Bleacher Report.

When CashApp began accepting Bitcoin, they needed someone to hit the right audience with their message. That person was the CEO of Hot Girl Enterprises, MC Megan Thee Stallion, who noted during her commercial, “Bitcoin for Hotties,” that “With my knowledge and your hustle, you’ll have your own empire in no time.”

Mike Tyson even has his own Bitcoin app, “Mike Tyson Bitcoin.” The branded wallet, which was created by the company Bitcoin Direct, allows users to store, purchase or sell the digital currency bitcoin.

“Tyson is a universal star,” Bitcoin Direct’s CEO, Peter Klamka, said in a press statement, per CNBC. “People around the world of all ages know Mike Tyson, and as such Tyson’s potential to expand the Bitcoin market is dramatic.”

And that’s it exactly! If people believe in the endorsement of Mike Tyson, or flamboyant millionaire Floyd Mayweather, or famed music makers DJ Khaled and Megan Thee Stallion, then they don’t necessarily need to know what they’re selling to want to buy into it.

Don’t listen to me, though. Listen to the sage financial advisers the Wu-Tang Clan. In 1993, the Shaolin Island natives gave us the helpful acronym to remind us of the importance of sound financial decision-making: “C.R.E.A.M. (Cash Rules Everything Around Me).”

In 2017, It was announced that Wu-Tang member Ghostface Killah was starting a cryptocurrency company.
One of the company’s top brass was leery of the rapper’s influence on people who might listen to his pitch without fully understanding what he’s talking about.

“I think the interest of celebrities is a bit of a double-edged sword,” Brett Westbrook, chief executive at Cream Capital, told CNBC.

“I personally think that anything that puts cryptocurrencies in front of the eyes of everyday people is a great thing for the markets overall. On the other hand, I believe it’s important that celebrities know the importance of their endorsements and understand the underlying principles of blockchain technology,” he said.

“The last thing we need is a household name promoting what turns out to be a scam ICO.”

And therein lies the rub. Digital currency is such a place of possibility for many folks who’ve felt spurned by traditional banking. They see digital currency as an alternative way to make it rich. Sadly — and this is the soft part that won’t get said out loud — the most susceptible group, most likely to see cryptocurrency the same way they would the roulette wheel in Vegas, are people of color.

“There has been a long history of discrimination in investments,” John Gerzema, CEO of the Harris Poll, told USA Today. “And that could be why we have seen a wide demography of interest and inclusivity in crypto — because it’s new, open and seemingly has fewer barriers to entry.”

So you have this magical money train, an underserved banking community and Black celebrities pushing cryptocurrency on to them. I mean, what could go wrong?

According to the Federal Trade Commission, People in their 20s and 30s reported losing far more money to crypto investment cons than any other type of fraud.

“Since October 2020, reports have skyrocketed, with nearly 7,000 people reporting losses of more than $80 million on these scams. Their reported median loss? $1,900,” the FTC reported.

But Harrison said that’s only a problem if you don’t know what you’re doing. This might be most of us, considering cryptocurrency doesn’t come with the most user-friendly explainers.

“Statistically, cryptocurrency has been the biggest producer of wealth in the last 10 years,” Harrison said. “But the one thing I don’t like is how people are approaching the crypto market. They’re not understanding value or market capitalization. And that’s where you are going to make your money.”

Ahhh, yes. Market capitalization. Got it.

Harrison believes that the hip-hop community, superstar athletes and the world’s wealthiest people talking about the impact of crypto helped hook Black people on the currency.

“You have Nas rapping about it, Elon Musk and Apple CEO Tim Cook talking about it, and once you start hearing the wealthiest people in the world talking about it, it becomes really mainstream,” he said.
Harrison isn’t worried about Odell Beckham Jr.’s significant loss. “He’ll be all right,” he said. Large drops have happened before. He added that he’s been buying a bit of Bitcoin every two weeks for the last three years.

“And I’ve been doing well,” Harrison said.

Well, I’m ready to invest. Now, if someone could just explain what I’m investing in.


man that's a long article lol.




Meh, about half the size of a NYK Mentality post. :lol:
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Post#793 » by Knicks Byke » Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:40 am

Spoiler:
robillionaire wrote:
Knicks Byke wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:Here's an article in today's HuffPost. Wonder what you experts think about it.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cryptocurrency-crash-finances_n_61f44c16e4b0061af25edff3



man that's a long article lol.

I can go on about crypto for hours so I'll try to simplify my thoughts.

Cryptocurrency as a whole is still wildy unregulated besides the two top assets, Btc and Eth hope you see the irony. Crypto is full of scams particularly nfts although the tech behind it is what we should be paying attention to. A lot of the stuff you're seeing is quickening adoption for sure but don't get too caught up trying to find the next 100x coin. There are real projects out there with real people that are disrupting the industry they are after. That's where you should bet your money.

There's also ways to earn passive income. With the metaverse being pushed to us rather quickly, there are ways to earn while playing or by owning digital land. You can oppose this idea but this train is moving regardless. You can also stake high apy Dao projects which is super risky and sus imo. You can also run nodes (strongblock and thor) pays the most. If you don't know what nodes are, I suggest reading a bit since they are integral to any blockchain. a lot of these are rugs and potential scams, so the best BET* is to invest in a team that's established in the space and has a good background. This is the new internet bubble of the 90s and many of these projects won't last once we have regulations. Take profits and reinvest back in the game or in other asset classes.

One thing is for certain, this is no longer a bubble or a fad. I mean, the Lakers arena didn't change their name in 22 years to crypto.com without doing some due diligence.


I will say to that point that there are many many recent examples of stadiums named after companies that go bankrupt. The due diligence is that they paid them


true anything can happen with these companies maybe that was a bad example.
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Post#794 » by SA37 » Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:40 pm

An interesting read from Mark Cuban:

Trading Cards, Art, Cars, Stamps and many other “collectibles” are also perceived as a store of value. One of the reasons they have worked as a store of value is that they require physical ownership as proof of existence and confirmation of scarcity. We have a good idea of how many of most collectibles were created and the physical presence of that good is confirmation that its real (most of the time, fakes obviously do exist and fraud is an issue), but for the most part we trust the Picasso is a Picasso and the Luka or Lebron Rookie cards are real as well.

Of course those who collect them as an investment hope that their value will go up, and they very often do go up, leading to profits for those who own and then sell them. In the analog world , pre block chain world they were the only game in town.

But something changed over the past 3 years, (Crypto enthusiasts will tell a different story saying this has been going on since 2009). The block chain has evolved to support smart contracts and the ability to uniquely identify digital goods and the transactions associated with them.

What is a digital good that can be sold ? Literally ANYTHING digital. If it can be generated and saved in a file format, then it can be defined as part of Smart Contract . That Smart Contract can be powerful with plenty of “If this than that” rules that allow for levels of control of that digital good which in turn can define its availability or scarcity, what happens when its sold, whether ownership is conferred, and my favorite and what i think its possibly the ultimate game changer, whether or not future sales pay a percentage of every sale to the person/company who originally minted the digital good.

Because of the intelligence assigned, stored and maintained decentrally via the block chain, with no one party in charge of the transaction and miners competing to confirm the transaction, blockchain driven assets have now legitimately become stores of value.

This digital store of value isn’t limited to Digital Goods of course. It has long included cryptocurrencies (CryptoAssets is what they should be called, they are rarely used as currency), like Bitcoin , Ethereum and so many others, along with the tokens being created to support De-Fi and other value creating derivatives of CryptoAssets. They all are Stores of Value with market cap leader Bitcoin having a decade plus long history of transactions and wealth generation.

To so many the idea that a CryptoAsset could be a store of value is crazy. To them, there is no there, there. There is no intrinsic value. To them it is a digital representation of nothing, that crazy people are paying good money for. That is not the case.

Old Schoolers say that you need to have something “tangible” in order for there to be value and we will deal with fraud after the fact. If we can touch it, see it or hear it, it is real and can have value. They begrudgingly realized there was value in digital music over CDs. The New Generation that has grown up in a digital world has known their entire lives that what has been of greatest value to them has been digital .

This generation knows that a smart contract and the digital good it reflects or a CryptoAsset are a better investment than old school see, touch or feel uses (STFU)

It took me collecting stamps and baseball cards to truly understand why this is true.

When you collect stamps or cards you have to worry about getting them graded. Is it mint condition or ? You have to store them and maintain their current physical state . You need to protect them and keep them safe. When you want to sell them you need to physically deliver them , which entails considerable risk during shipping. Because much of the industry is person to person , there are a variety of other risks and costs introduced into the system as well. All of these are expensive, time consuming, risk increasing and annoying.

With a digital trading trading Moment on NBA TopShot as an example , you have all the fun, none of those risks and the value is still set by the same laws of supply and demand.

I get to enjoy knowing I own my Maxi Klieber dunk Moment, along with knowing the serial number and much more. Some people might complain that I can get the same video on the internet anywhere any time and watch it. Well guess what, I can get the same picture on any traditional, physical card on the internet and print it out, and that doesn’t change the value of the card.

And when I want to sell the card, NBA Top Shots offers a marketplace I can sell it in, which by virtue of the site being created on Flow BlockChain offers me the ability to see every Maxi card being offered, the serial number, its price and more. All the foundations required for a consumer friendly, efficient marketplace. But I do have to add that I don’t know why anyone would sell a Maxi Moment. Maxi is a top 10 defender in the NBA, just saying !

With digital goods, I still have the same sense of ownership as with a physical good, and again the value is still set by supply and demand, but I have none of the hassles beyond remembering my passwords and dealing with wallets. Both of which are getting easier and easier. And the funny part, if you’re an old school physical good owner that wants to share what they own with someone else, what do they do ? They take a digital picture of the item and send it or the link…..

Plus there are tons of additional benefits of digital goods that are even more evident in the new and growing digital minting and marketplace destinations. Sites like Mintable and Rarible, where I have minted digital goods and offered them for sale here and here and marketplaces that enable the sales of either curated or open hosted digital art and beyond, like OpenSea, NiftyGateway, SuperRare or those like NBA TopShot and Bitcoin Origins that create and mint their own or licensed content . The transparency is the biggest upside. I can see the history of every buyer and bidder, I can see what they own, what price they paid. For every digital good I can easily see what the marketplace is for any digital good. CryptoSlam is a great example of this. And I can transact in minutes or faster. When I want to buy or sell something, I just go for it and the deal is done. Plus, I need to add that they barriers to entry, while not non-existent, are far lower than traditional art and collectibles, opening the door for some incredible new talent to be discovered !

Its the same with CryptoAssets. Yes, wallets can be confusing, but you can figure them out. And like your gold, your silver, your coins, your stamps, your cards, the value is set by supply and demand. (for crypto nerds, the supply is set by the algorithms of the CryptoAsset)

That’s not to say the digital goods and CryptoAssets markets are perfect , they are not. Transaction costs can be high. The markets can still be moved by a few big players (whales), and like the markets for stocks and physical goods, the markets can be influenced by narratives that may or may not be true.

But the bottom line is that there are a growing number of investors and traders who think that the digital goods and CryptoAsset marketplaces are better than old school physical markets and the stock market and most of them are young. They love the fact that NO ONE has power over them. That there is no central authority and they get the results of their own efforts without some government agency or big company **** with them. Every negative , consequential financial moment in their collective lives has been the result of some massive entity getting greedy and **** things up for them.


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Post#795 » by dakomish23 » Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:36 pm

Anyone ever go to one of these conventions where ppl are looking for investors?

I’m going to start looking to be part owner of some small businesses. Going to attempt to set up some some recurring revenue or be at the foundation level of a product.

I already a but load of stocks but they’re all in my retirement accounts. I might start a personal for fun but I’d rather go in this way. Not interested in real estate at this time after being a landlord in my 20s
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Post#796 » by Knicks Byke » Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:57 am

SA37 wrote:An interesting read from Mark Cuban:

Trading Cards, Art, Cars, Stamps and many other “collectibles” are also perceived as a store of value. One of the reasons they have worked as a store of value is that they require physical ownership as proof of existence and confirmation of scarcity. We have a good idea of how many of most collectibles were created and the physical presence of that good is confirmation that its real (most of the time, fakes obviously do exist and fraud is an issue), but for the most part we trust the Picasso is a Picasso and the Luka or Lebron Rookie cards are real as well.

Of course those who collect them as an investment hope that their value will go up, and they very often do go up, leading to profits for those who own and then sell them. In the analog world , pre block chain world they were the only game in town.

But something changed over the past 3 years, (Crypto enthusiasts will tell a different story saying this has been going on since 2009). The block chain has evolved to support smart contracts and the ability to uniquely identify digital goods and the transactions associated with them.

What is a digital good that can be sold ? Literally ANYTHING digital. If it can be generated and saved in a file format, then it can be defined as part of Smart Contract . That Smart Contract can be powerful with plenty of “If this than that” rules that allow for levels of control of that digital good which in turn can define its availability or scarcity, what happens when its sold, whether ownership is conferred, and my favorite and what i think its possibly the ultimate game changer, whether or not future sales pay a percentage of every sale to the person/company who originally minted the digital good.

Because of the intelligence assigned, stored and maintained decentrally via the block chain, with no one party in charge of the transaction and miners competing to confirm the transaction, blockchain driven assets have now legitimately become stores of value.

This digital store of value isn’t limited to Digital Goods of course. It has long included cryptocurrencies (CryptoAssets is what they should be called, they are rarely used as currency), like Bitcoin , Ethereum and so many others, along with the tokens being created to support De-Fi and other value creating derivatives of CryptoAssets. They all are Stores of Value with market cap leader Bitcoin having a decade plus long history of transactions and wealth generation.

To so many the idea that a CryptoAsset could be a store of value is crazy. To them, there is no there, there. There is no intrinsic value. To them it is a digital representation of nothing, that crazy people are paying good money for. That is not the case.

Old Schoolers say that you need to have something “tangible” in order for there to be value and we will deal with fraud after the fact. If we can touch it, see it or hear it, it is real and can have value. They begrudgingly realized there was value in digital music over CDs. The New Generation that has grown up in a digital world has known their entire lives that what has been of greatest value to them has been digital .

This generation knows that a smart contract and the digital good it reflects or a CryptoAsset are a better investment than old school see, touch or feel uses (STFU)

It took me collecting stamps and baseball cards to truly understand why this is true.

When you collect stamps or cards you have to worry about getting them graded. Is it mint condition or ? You have to store them and maintain their current physical state . You need to protect them and keep them safe. When you want to sell them you need to physically deliver them , which entails considerable risk during shipping. Because much of the industry is person to person , there are a variety of other risks and costs introduced into the system as well. All of these are expensive, time consuming, risk increasing and annoying.

With a digital trading trading Moment on NBA TopShot as an example , you have all the fun, none of those risks and the value is still set by the same laws of supply and demand.

I get to enjoy knowing I own my Maxi Klieber dunk Moment, along with knowing the serial number and much more. Some people might complain that I can get the same video on the internet anywhere any time and watch it. Well guess what, I can get the same picture on any traditional, physical card on the internet and print it out, and that doesn’t change the value of the card.

And when I want to sell the card, NBA Top Shots offers a marketplace I can sell it in, which by virtue of the site being created on Flow BlockChain offers me the ability to see every Maxi card being offered, the serial number, its price and more. All the foundations required for a consumer friendly, efficient marketplace. But I do have to add that I don’t know why anyone would sell a Maxi Moment. Maxi is a top 10 defender in the NBA, just saying !

With digital goods, I still have the same sense of ownership as with a physical good, and again the value is still set by supply and demand, but I have none of the hassles beyond remembering my passwords and dealing with wallets. Both of which are getting easier and easier. And the funny part, if you’re an old school physical good owner that wants to share what they own with someone else, what do they do ? They take a digital picture of the item and send it or the link…..

Plus there are tons of additional benefits of digital goods that are even more evident in the new and growing digital minting and marketplace destinations. Sites like Mintable and Rarible, where I have minted digital goods and offered them for sale here and here and marketplaces that enable the sales of either curated or open hosted digital art and beyond, like OpenSea, NiftyGateway, SuperRare or those like NBA TopShot and Bitcoin Origins that create and mint their own or licensed content . The transparency is the biggest upside. I can see the history of every buyer and bidder, I can see what they own, what price they paid. For every digital good I can easily see what the marketplace is for any digital good. CryptoSlam is a great example of this. And I can transact in minutes or faster. When I want to buy or sell something, I just go for it and the deal is done. Plus, I need to add that they barriers to entry, while not non-existent, are far lower than traditional art and collectibles, opening the door for some incredible new talent to be discovered !

Its the same with CryptoAssets. Yes, wallets can be confusing, but you can figure them out. And like your gold, your silver, your coins, your stamps, your cards, the value is set by supply and demand. (for crypto nerds, the supply is set by the algorithms of the CryptoAsset)

That’s not to say the digital goods and CryptoAssets markets are perfect , they are not. Transaction costs can be high. The markets can still be moved by a few big players (whales), and like the markets for stocks and physical goods, the markets can be influenced by narratives that may or may not be true.

But the bottom line is that there are a growing number of investors and traders who think that the digital goods and CryptoAsset marketplaces are better than old school physical markets and the stock market and most of them are young. They love the fact that NO ONE has power over them. That there is no central authority and they get the results of their own efforts without some government agency or big company **** with them. Every negative , consequential financial moment in their collective lives has been the result of some massive entity getting greedy and **** things up for them.


https://blogmaverick.com/2021/01/31/the-store-of-value-generation-is-kicking-your-ass-and-you-dont-even-know-it/


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Post#797 » by Stannis » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:45 pm

Garbagelo wrote:Relax it was just a rehash of an article from 3-4 days ago

You still like CRV and SPELL?

I'm losing my ass on SPELL lol, but I'm thinking about opening a new position in CRV
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Post#798 » by Garbagelo » Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:49 pm

If you are denying Bitcoin, crypto, meme stocks, nfts, high p/e tech stocks (ARKK) then you are ngmi.

This is what the people want, especially millennials and zoomers and they are getting inheritances from the aged folk daily.

No one is going back to buying value stocks that offer low returns when you can get that return from Defi, most people would rather sit on losses than go back to that.

Also a trend I am seeing is money in crypto, staying in crypto whether it be NFTs or stablecoins, despite how the market is tanking

These are macro trends that are only gaining steam
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Post#799 » by Garbagelo » Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:59 pm

Stannis wrote:
Garbagelo wrote:Relax it was just a rehash of an article from 3-4 days ago

You still like CRV and SPELL?

I'm losing my ass on SPELL lol, but I'm thinking about opening a new position in CRV


sorry I havent updated you guys recently on these positions as I have been distracted lately, but SPELL has gotten riskier than before due to a connection to a former criminal in it's back channels. I still have a small position but I took some profits on the way up. Still think it may be worth a gamble but I wouldn't put crazy money into this due to the risks.

I am still hugely bullish on CRV, massively bullish, I think it may gain institutional adoption tbh.

I have started getting back into gaming tokens. Like I said multiple times, SAND at 3 dollars was an easy buy. Another project that I think will be huge in gaming is DOMI, looking like the next World of Warcraft with earning potential.

As far as BTC, ETH, and the other major cryptos like Luna, AVAX, SOL, DOT, ATOM, not really interested anymore. Won't add unless I need it for transactions. I think we may get a bounce soon if not already. My target for the real move up begins in mid February, hopefully it gives us time to load up more bags. Gaming will very likely be the next narrative again.
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Post#800 » by Garbagelo » Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:06 pm

seren wrote:Can someone direct me to a research report with hard statistics on crypto? Like size of market, how many people own crypto, large firms and their revenues, trends on these etc? TIA


I have several reports for you to read but I do not know which file locker Realgm allows so if you want them, hit me up in a PM, I can email them to you

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