When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season

[RichCollab]

we over-exaggerate injuries.

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I guess if board posters say this over and over it becomes fact ...we don't know squat, something is definitely wrong with this guy and, at best, trainers are working on his mechanics to avoid re-injury. There's no basis to assume he's ready to go and the FO is so terrified by his overwhelming offensive impact that our team of children will suddenly win out.

Isaac definitely has the defensive tools to become an impact player on a winning team. Maybe, when he gets some actual court time, he can become a more complete player. Nothing in the world will get him there without playing live games. I don't think our FO is stifling their highest paid player's development for kicks.

Let’s be honest at this point. Issac isn’t coming back this season and Fultz plays 15 games.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

we over-exaggerate injuries.

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I guess if board posters say this over and over it becomes fact ...we don't know squat, something is definitely wrong with this guy and, at best, trainers are working on his mechanics to avoid re-injury. There's no basis to assume he's ready to go and the FO is so terrified by his overwhelming offensive impact that our team of children will suddenly win out.

Isaac definitely has the defensive tools to become an impact player on a winning team. Maybe, when he gets some actual court time, he can become a more complete player. Nothing in the world will get him there without playing live games. I don't think our FO is stifling their highest paid player's development for kicks.

We can say the same about Fultz and MCW and all the other guys who are “injured” besides RJ. Each one of them has been held out longer than necessary. Not sure why Isaac is still being held, but that’s the same question for everyone else.

[jgiannip]

Do we even want him to return?

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Do we even want him to return?

Yes

[Magic_Kingdom]

we over-exaggerate injuries.

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I guess if board posters say this over and over it becomes fact ...we don't know squat, something is definitely wrong with this guy and, at best, trainers are working on his mechanics to avoid re-injury. There's no basis to assume he's ready to go and the FO is so terrified by his overwhelming offensive impact that our team of children will suddenly win out.

Isaac definitely has the defensive tools to become an impact player on a winning team. Maybe, when he gets some actual court time, he can become a more complete player. Nothing in the world will get him there without playing live games. I don't think our FO is stifling their highest paid player's development for kicks.

We can say the same about Fultz and MCW and all the other guys who are “injured” besides RJ. Each one of them has been held out longer than necessary. Not sure why Isaac is still being held, but that’s the same question for everyone else.

I think Fultz, MCW and Moore are ready to go and being held out longer for tanking purposes. But not Isaac. I agree with Skybox, I don't think a team risks the development of its highest-paid, highest-potential player just to improve its chance to draft an unknown, especially in this draft. And after being out this long, does anyone really think JI returning would make a significant difference in the W-L columns? Other than 2 games (31 minutes) in August 2020, Isaac hasn't played regular basketball in more than two years. There aren't too many examples of players returning after more than 2 years and making an impact.

Just look at the difference in how they're handling Fultz and Isaac. Fultz has been practicing for a while. Isaac still isn't practicing despite being injured months earlier. If he was just a tank hold-out they would at least be giving him live-action work.

[Skybox]

Honestly... what impact do MCW and Moore have on the tank? The replacement guys coming in from the G League are as likely to go off for a showcase game, starving for their big chance than those two solid, but relatively unsubstantial vet role players. MCW and Moore will not be dragging this team into contention anytime soon. We don't have an SGA to sit down.

I guess I just don't think there's really anyone on this roster (who isn't playing) who can "ruin the tank", so I don't think we're faking anything or hiding any true potential on the IR...we're just really young, new coach, not good at the moment.

[basketballRob]

Isaac won't be able to go to Canada on March 6th. Do you think the Magic deduct money from his salary?

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[Magic_Kingdom]

Honestly... what impact do MCW and Moore have on the tank? The replacement guys coming in from the G League are as likely to go off for a showcase game, starving for their big chance than those two solid, but relatively unsubstantial vet role players. MCW and Moore will not be dragging this team into contention anytime soon. We don't have an SGA to sit down.

I guess I just don't think there's really anyone on this roster (who isn't playing) who can "ruin the tank", so I don't think we're faking anything or hiding any true potential on the IR...we're just really young, new coach, not good at the moment.

Do I think they would make that much of a difference? No, not really. But does management? Apparently. Unless you believe that Moore's "strained knee" (which allegedly occurred right before the opener after playing all preseason) is so serious that it has caused him to miss 51 games and counting. Or that MCW's offseason ankle surgery went so poorly that even though it was only supposed to keep him out until the beginning of December it's now almost February and he's still not playing.

MCW and Moore would be more likely to help this team win a few extra games than Hampton and Okeke. I think that is the calculation.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

I guess if board posters say this over and over it becomes fact ...we don't know squat, something is definitely wrong with this guy and, at best, trainers are working on his mechanics to avoid re-injury. There's no basis to assume he's ready to go and the FO is so terrified by his overwhelming offensive impact that our team of children will suddenly win out.

Isaac definitely has the defensive tools to become an impact player on a winning team. Maybe, when he gets some actual court time, he can become a more complete player. Nothing in the world will get him there without playing live games. I don't think our FO is stifling their highest paid player's development for kicks.

We can say the same about Fultz and MCW and all the other guys who are “injured” besides RJ. Each one of them has been held out longer than necessary. Not sure why Isaac is still being held, but that’s the same question for everyone else.

I think Fultz, MCW and Moore are ready to go and being held out longer for tanking purposes. But not Isaac. I agree with Skybox, I don't think a team risks the development of its highest-paid, highest-potential player just to improve its chance to draft an unknown, especially in this draft. And after being out this long, does anyone really think JI returning would make a significant difference in the W-L columns? Other than 2 games (31 minutes) in August 2020, Isaac hasn't played regular basketball in more than two years. There aren't too many examples of players returning after more than 2 years and making an impact.

Just look at the difference in how they're handling Fultz and Isaac. Fultz has been practicing for a while. Isaac still isn't practicing despite being injured months earlier. If he was just a tank hold-out they would at least be giving him live-action work.

I understand what you’re saying but I haven’t heard that MCW and Moore have been doing 5 on 5 contacts either. I don’t know what the front office is doing with our guys.

[Skybox]

Honestly... what impact do MCW and Moore have on the tank? The replacement guys coming in from the G League are as likely to go off for a showcase game, starving for their big chance than those two solid, but relatively unsubstantial vet role players. MCW and Moore will not be dragging this team into contention anytime soon. We don't have an SGA to sit down.

I guess I just don't think there's really anyone on this roster (who isn't playing) who can "ruin the tank", so I don't think we're faking anything or hiding any true potential on the IR...we're just really young, new coach, not good at the moment.

Do I think they would make that much of a difference? No, not really. But does management? Apparently. Unless you believe that Moore's "strained knee" (which allegedly occurred right before the opener after playing all preseason) is so serious that it has caused him to miss 51 games and counting. Or that MCW's offseason ankle surgery went so poorly that even though it was only supposed to keep him out until the beginning of December it's now almost February and he's still not playing.

MCW and Moore would be more likely to help this team win a few extra games than Hampton and Okeke. I think that is the calculation.

So you think they signed Moore as an UFA to sit him out all season to help the tank?

[MagicFan101]

Isaac was more than 3 months into recovery on his ACL tear when Joe Burrow tore his ACL.

Today Joe Burrow lead his team to the Super Bowl to cap an amazing season for his team.

Meanwhile, Isaac is still in rehab.

I’m giving up.

[AaronB]

Isaac was more than 3 months into recovery on his ACL tear when Joe Burrow tore his ACL.

Today Joe Burrow lead his team to the Super Bowl to cap an amazing season for his team.

Meanwhile, Isaac is still in rehab.

I’m giving up.

But did Joe Burrow have a book tour? Waiting???

/Sarcasm

[Furinkazan]

This is becoming a joke ....and a bad one too

[The Real Dalic]

I've gone from patient, to annoyed, back to patient with Fultz and Isaac through the year. I'll be back to annoyed with the FO if we don't start getting more details after the trade deadline. I truly believe that that is affecting their decision with Fultz at the very least. But if the deadline comes and goes and we still get nothing, I will be questioning the decision behind holding them out and keeping it a secret for some bizarre reason.

[Skin]

IMO this is more about WeHam wanting to tank and not risk further injury in a wasted year. Same goes for Fultz.

[JF5]

Think it's obvious they're tanking... If the team didn't have the worst record in the league these guys would've been back by now.

I still think they need to play 15-20 games this season to shake off the rust and apprehension going into next year... But that's just me.

[basketballRob]

Hopefully, Isaac doesn't have Porzingas-type problems with ongoing swelling. Perhaps the additional rehabilitation helps him get completely healed. Embiid has to constantly rest his knee also.

The only sure way to cure a meniscus tear is to give it a lot of time. Zion, JJJ, and Wiseman have all had to do this recently. The risk of coming back too soon is causing permanent damage.

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[PrimeThyme]

He suffered a significant setback. Hopefully we learn what that setback was at some point. Joe Harris just recently far exceeded his timetable to come back from injury and the organization had to finally come out and say that he suffered one.

Zion was a very similar situation as well.

I think those orgs. felt they had to partly because they gave both players a timetable to return in the first place. Isaac has never had an official one to my knowledge and our organization has never expressed the desire to keep fans in the loop on these things. This isn't pseudo-tanking and this isn't extraordinary caution. I'm sure some caution plays into it, but it wouldn't explain the extended absence that Isaac has had.

Our best hope is that when he does return he looks somewhat like his old self. Based on this injury and the setback though, it seems incredibly unlikely. Luckily, there is a good crop of frontcourt players at the top of this draft.

[basketballRob]

He suffered a significant setback. Hopefully we learn what that setback was at some point. Joe Harris just recently far exceeded his timetable to come back from injury and the organization had to finally come out and say that he suffered one.

Zion was a very similar situation as well.

I think those orgs. felt they had to partly because they gave both players a timetable to return in the first place. Isaac has never had an official one to my knowledge and our organization has never expressed the desire to keep fans in the loop on these things. This isn't pseudo-tanking and this isn't extraordinary caution. I'm sure some caution plays into it, but it wouldn't explain the extended absence that Isaac has had.

Our best hope is that when he does return he looks somewhat like his old self. Based on this injury and the setback though, it seems incredibly unlikely. Luckily, there is a good crop of frontcourt players at the top of this draft.

He damaged more than the ACL which is why it's taking more rehab time.

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[Magic_Kingdom]

Today marks 18 months since Isaac’s injury. It’s also Groundhog Day. Coincidence?