Tobias Harris Trade Thread

[spikeslovechild]

Meanwhile, over the past couple of games, Tobias has really snapped out of his funk. Not sure what got through to him, but he’s back to making quick decisions and decisive moves. Yeah, he’s way too expensive and all, but if he’s upping his game heading into the tail end of the season, and Daryl is not going to trade Ben for support of Jo MVP performance, maybe we shouldn’t be hell bent about moving Tobias at this particular moment.

I just don't trust the sustainability of any good bursts we see from Harris. His track record is that he's not going to shoot threes consistently and he's not going to make plays defensively consistently. Move him if you can, IMO.

And you shouldn't but you also shouldn't have used how he played earlier on in the year to judge him as a player either.

But as far as his 3PT shot goes in last four years he has averaged .388 (including this year, 2018-2022) on his 3's. He's been a pretty good 3PT shooter. I never really understood the narrative that he can't make 3's. He can it's a big reason why at the time I preferred him over Jimmy Buckets.

Anyways people just need to let the dream die that we are going to be able to dump Harris for expirings to sign Harded and just accept who he is as a player and understand he isn't going to be a 2nd banana on a championship team. There is no reason to keep beating a dead horse.

Man, I'd love for the Tobias Harris fan club to explain why they are so sure we'd be worse if we flipped him for other players. Great locker room guy, but he had a grand total of 4 playoff games worth of experience prior to joining the 6ers (and has been mediocre to bad in the playoffs during his time here). He's just not a big impact player.

I am looking at the trade proposals being suggested here is the main reason.

As far as his impact goes he really is the only guy with the exception of Embiid who is capable of creating offense. If we traded him for purely stand in the corner 3PT shooter we would essentially put even more of the offensive load on Embiid and count on Maxey to be the 2nd guy.

Sorry but that makes the team markedly worse it just does.

[Kobblehead]

But as far as his 3PT shot goes in last four years he has averaged .388 (including this year, 2018-2022) on his 3's. He's been a pretty good 3PT shooter. I never really understood the narrative that he can't make 3's. He can it's a big reason why at the time I preferred him over Jimmy Buckets.

Volume trumps percentages. Harris simply does not shoot threes at any sort of useful frequency. He doesn't space the floor.

[stormi]

People still falling for the Tobias Harris cycle trap in 2022...

He doesn't average near 20 points per game year in and year out because he can't put up some numbers in the regular season. He just won't ever get those when it matters the most against a playoff caliber defense, nor can he defend at all or space the floor adequately in todays modern game.

[mjkvol]

People still falling for the Tobias Harris cycle trap in 2022...

He doesn't average near 20 points per game year in and year out because he can't put up some numbers in the regular season. He just won't ever get those when it matters the most against a playoff caliber defense, nor can he defend at all or space the floor adequately in todays modern game.

It's as if he didn't always play on bad teams that never sniffed the playoffs before Elton fell in love with him. The quintessential tank commander.

[sixers4real]

I love that’s he’s playing well right now, but that’s because I want him traded at deadline.

[76ciology]

Forward Player A:
19ppg 7rpg 4apg
Bad on defense but can shoots 3s
3 year remaining ~$112M

Guard Player B:
14ppg 7rpg 7apg
Way better defense but can’t shoot 3s or FTs
4 year remaining ~$146M

[spikeslovechild]

People still falling for the Tobias Harris cycle trap in 2022...

He doesn't average near 20 points per game year in and year out because he can't put up some numbers in the regular season. He just won't ever get those when it matters the most against a playoff caliber defense, nor can he defend at all or space the floor adequately in todays modern game.

There is no falling for anything everyone is aware of Harris flaws at this point. The issue I have is many here just want to trade him for the sake of trading him without getting better.

Some even let on trading him and getting nothing back or a marginal player would make the Sixers better. I'd love for that to happen just for them to be proven wrong unfornately I watch the Sixers too. The reality is we need Harris to be able to shoulder the load right now on offense next to Embiid because we literally have noone else. There is no Butler. There is no Simmons.

There is really noone else who can create offense on the team other than Embiid. Embiid has already started receiving double teams the dude is not Lebron where he can just fling it around the court and find the open guy as soon as a double team comes he needs help. Harris isn't that guy on a championship team I agree and he's overpaid and even worse he likes to read but he is the best we got for the role right now.

If we can somehow get Harden by all means we can ship Harris out but there is the old saying don't throw the baby out with the bathwater in other words make sure you have someone who you can replace Harris today not some sort of FA fantasy that may or may not come to fruition.

[the_process]

Forward Player A:
19ppg 7rpg 4apg
Bad on defense but can shoots 3s
3 year remaining ~$112M

Guard Player B:
14ppg 7rpg 7apg
Way better defense but can’t shoot 3s or FTs
4 year remaining ~$146M

I'm assuming player B is Ben. But player A is not Tobias. At least, there's no way Tobi is averaging 4 APG.

[Lovetron Joe]

Forward Player A:
19ppg 7rpg 4apg
Bad on defense but can shoots 3s
3 year remaining ~$112M

Guard Player B:
14ppg 7rpg 7apg
Way better defense but can’t shoot 3s or FTs
4 year remaining ~$146M

I'm assuming player B is Ben. But player A is not Tobias. At least, there's no way Tobi is averaging 4 APG.

3.8 assists for the season.

[the_process]

People still falling for the Tobias Harris cycle trap in 2022...

He doesn't average near 20 points per game year in and year out because he can't put up some numbers in the regular season. He just won't ever get those when it matters the most against a playoff caliber defense, nor can he defend at all or space the floor adequately in todays modern game.

There is no falling for anything everyone is aware of Harris flaws at this point. The issue I have is many here just want to trade him for the sake of trading him without getting better.

Some even let on trading him and getting nothing back or a marginal player would make the Sixers better. I'd love for that to happen just for them to be proven wrong unfornately I watch the Sixers too. The reality is we need Harris to be able to shoulder the load right now on offense next to Embiid because we literally have noone else. There is no Butler. There is no Simmons.

There is really noone else who can create offense on the team other than Embiid. Embiid has already started receiving double teams the dude is not Lebron where he can just fling it around the court and find the open guy as soon as a double team comes he needs help. Harris isn't that guy on a championship team I agree and he's overpaid and even worse he likes to read but he is the best we got for the role right now.

If we can somehow get Harden by all means we can ship Harris out but there is the old saying don't throw the baby out with the bathwater in other words make sure you have someone who you can replace Harris today not some sort of FA fantasy that may or may not come to fruition.

Tobias never shoulders the load. Games where he goes 24-12, you're surprised at the end when you look at the boxscore.

[Kobblehead]

Forward Player A:
19ppg 7rpg 4apg
Bad on defense but can shoots 3s
3 year remaining ~$112M

Guard Player B:
14ppg 7rpg 7apg
Way better defense but can’t shoot 3s or FTs
4 year remaining ~$146M

Harris is the better scorer, but we're at the point where his unwillingness to shoot threes is legitimately pissing me off.

So I don't think he deserves any credit points because he "can shoot threes" given that he willingly chooses not to shoot them.

[76ciology]

Forward Player A:
19ppg 7rpg 4apg
Bad on defense but can shoots 3s
3 year remaining ~$112M

Guard Player B:
14ppg 7rpg 7apg
Way better defense but can’t shoot 3s or FTs
4 year remaining ~$146M

Harris is the better scorer, but we're at the point where his unwillingness to shoot threes is legitimately pissing me off.

So I don't think he deserves any credit points because he "can shoot threes" given that he willingly chooses not to shoot them.

Ok just label it to “can shoot some 3s”

[youngcrev]

Forward Player A:
19ppg 7rpg 4apg
Bad on defense but can shoots 3s
3 year remaining ~$112M

Guard Player B:
14ppg 7rpg 7apg
Way better defense but can’t shoot 3s or FTs
4 year remaining ~$146M

Harris is the better scorer, but we're at the point where his unwillingness to shoot threes is legitimately pissing me off.

So I don't think he deserves any credit points because he "can shoot threes" given that he willingly chooses not to shoot them.

Ok just label it to “can shoot some 3s”

Player A:
Gets better on criticisms
Been improving every year

Player B:
Gets mental health problems on criticisms
Been the same since year 1

Improving every year? Tobias flatlined like 5 years ago, aside from some slight improvement on defense.

[76ciology]

Harris is the better scorer, but we're at the point where his unwillingness to shoot threes is legitimately pissing me off.

So I don't think he deserves any credit points because he "can shoot threes" given that he willingly chooses not to shoot them.

Ok just label it to “can shoot some 3s”

Player A:
Gets better on criticisms
Been improving every year

Player B:
Gets mental health problems on criticisms
Been the same since year 1

Improving every year? Tobias flatlined like 5 years ago, aside from some slight improvement on defense.

His scoring went from 16ppg to ~20ppg in the last 5 years

[youngcrev]

Ok just label it to “can shoot some 3s”

Player A:
Gets better on criticisms
Been improving every year

Player B:
Gets mental health problems on criticisms
Been the same since year 1

Improving every year? Tobias flatlined like 5 years ago, aside from some slight improvement on defense.

His scoring went from 16ppg to ~20ppg in the last 5 years

In 17-18 he averaged 18.6 ppg on .565 TS
In 21-22 he's averaging 18.7 ppg on .559 TS

The arrow stopped going up for him a while ago. He is what he is. You could even say he peaked in LA, but I look at that more as simply an outlier shooting stretch.

[76ciology]

Improving every year? Tobias flatlined like 5 years ago, aside from some slight improvement on defense.

His scoring went from 16ppg to ~20ppg in the last 5 years

In 17-18 he averaged 18.6 ppg on .565 TS
In 21-22 he's averaging 18.7 ppg on .559 TS

The arrow stopped going up for him a while ago. He is what he is. You could even say he peaked in LA, but I look at that more as simply an outlier shooting stretch.

Im looking at 2016-2021 because 2022 is not yet done and who knows maybe he’d average 20-20+ By this season.

Nevertheless
2015-2016: 16ppg
2016-2017:16ppg
2017-2018: 18.6ppg starts becoming very efficient scorer
2018-2019: 20ppg
2020-2021: 19.6ppg with career best defense

Compared to player B, Tobi’s improvement is way more evident don’t you think?

[youngcrev]

His scoring went from 16ppg to ~20ppg in the last 5 years

In 17-18 he averaged 18.6 ppg on .565 TS
In 21-22 he's averaging 18.7 ppg on .559 TS

The arrow stopped going up for him a while ago. He is what he is. You could even say he peaked in LA, but I look at that more as simply an outlier shooting stretch.

Im looking at 2016-2021 because 2022 is not yet done and who knows maybe he’d average 20-20+ By this season.

Nevertheless
2015-2016: 16ppg
2016-2017:16ppg
2017-2018: 18.6ppg starts becoming very efficient scorer
2018-2019: 20ppg
2020-2021: 19.6ppg with career best defense

Compared to player B, Tobi’s improvement is way more evident don’t you think?

So your idea of the last 5 years goes back 7 seasons and doesn't include this year, got it

He's basically been the same player since he was traded for Blake all those years back, with his efficiency peeking during his time in LA.

He's still a mediocre defender at best, he just gives a little more of a **** (and has an elite rim protector behind him).

I mean... Player B's defense was a question mark coming out of LSU, and he was DPOY runner up last year, so if we're giving Player A credit there, Player B probably deserves a little as well.

[DCasey91]

Tobithus is top tier tank commander material that’s it.

The math said he was getting paid as a top ten player in the comp where he wouldn’t even be in the top 50 that’s the problem. Worst contract the Sixers ever dealt, it basically super halts correct players to go with Embiid.

His impact is mightily minimal even at his best. Actually it’s a good teaching tool to realize that raw accumulated stats give way to more sophisticated advanced metrics.

Another player say Beal or Westbrook obviously has the same outcome. Raw stats say they are great but they are not.

Then look at CP3.... he’s worth every minute he’s on the floor, incredible impact for what raw accumulated stats he produces.

[Kobblehead]

I mean... Player B's defense was a question mark coming out of LSU

Let's be real, though. Questioned by fools. Simmons' defense was elite at LSU. 2nd best defender in the entire conference behind Alex Caruso that year.

[youngcrev]

I mean... Player B's defense was a question mark coming out of LSU

Let's be real, though. Questioned by fools. Simmons' defense was elite at LSU. 2nd best defender in the entire conference behind Alex Caruso that year.

Regardless, I'd say he's unquestionably better on the defensive end last year than he was in his rookie season, and by quite a bit. The stagnation on the other end has been the issue.