James Harden is still an MVP (Hi Haters!)

[HardenGoat]

Imagine if the mandate goes into next season. It would be Durant and Simmons with maybe Maxey and whatever Kyrie could get but he would probably just retire. That’s the problem Kyrie has generated by not sacrificing and then being “happier than he’s ever been”. I just want him to get vaccinated and commit to winning. Anyone can speculate on how the pandemic might go, but when you have the ability to do something so simple, something all your teammates and a billion others have done, you should just do it. There is nothing noble about what he is doing. Sends a terrible message to kids as well.

[MrDollarBills]

Imagine if the mandate goes into next season. It would be Durant and Simmons with maybe Maxey and whatever Kyrie could get but he would probably just retire. That’s the problem Kyrie has generated by not sacrificing and then being “happier than he’s ever been”. I just want him to get vaccinated and commit to winning. Anyone can speculate on how the pandemic might go, but when you have the ability to do something so simple, something all your teammates and a billion others have done, you should just do it. There is nothing noble about what he is doing. Sends a terrible message to kids as well.

There is absolutely nothing noble about being antivax. It's selfish at worst, and exposes him as being ignorant to medical science.

If I'm James Harden, I'm getting far away from Kyrie as possible.

[GYK]

Nets fans building up a hate for James to make an excuse for the FO putting a roster of non shooters, meh defenders and no rebounding is so wild. If they fix the roster Harden + fit already proven to work here and for multiple seasons. It would even help when the Big 3 are together. A more two way supporting cast and not having to stagger with no shooters.

I don't hate James. If he wants out, I absolutely think he has a right to want out of here. This is a joke. Nash is a horrible coach, the roster has serious issues, and Kyrie is not all in on winning. If I were him, I'd rather go play with Joel Embiid who is playing MVP ball.

I don’t hate him either and agree this is a joke. I don’t think Nash is a bad coach but his influence on roster construction certainly made it pretty difficult to handle any sort of hiccups.
He’s influenced a small ball identity.
An extreme offensive lean.
This idea of options instead of a set rotation.
It’s clear by the start of year build what we believe we have is Harden-Kyrie-Harris-Durant with any of Brown-Bembry-Johnson being the 5th depending on the size of the opposing star. Patty and LMA clearly were to rest one or two of the Big3 as we stagger. Blake-Paul-Nic as the needed big depending on situation.
Niche players with specific skillsets depending on matchup.
However that ONLY works if everything(the top four players) is ALWAYS available and producing at high levels. Not to mention what those “options” are doing. As we see Blake regress and Paul leave, the Brown slips are no longer effective.
The situation we are in means these options, that aren’t meant to play together, are playing much time together with skillsets that don’t mesh well with each other and especially when multiple are with stars.

Anywho think Harden/Joel/Morey would have little to no problems building a contender with the type of role players you would expect. Essentially just wings who can move their feet, shoot the 3 and help gang rebound. Some better than others but just a continuous slew of that to support their catalysts players.

I hope he doesn’t leave. I hope our FO get off their high horse and change the support cast. IMO it’s very little needed to be done. Yes Kyrie will always find a way to get attention compared to his spot in the league. But if we had the support cast style needed Harden has PROVEN here and nearly a decade with the Rockets that he, 3&D wings and rebounding will win ball games and contend. He did it last season with just shooting and no rebounding/paint defense.
Kyrie Kyrie’ing is a problem but clearly I believe the biggest problem, by far, is how we chose to build the roster.
I’m a huge proponent of a more “traditional” build(modern style 4 out 1 in team. focusing more of back up wings for the eventual 5 out lineups without sacrificing so much size, defense and rebounding). But that would require moving Joe and no one in the Netsverse seems willing to do that for two seasons now. So with Bruce, Carter, Blake and Paul regressing we need to find their replacements. It wouldn’t give us the buzzsaw roster the Big3(again should be Big4 as Joe is a core member but because of lack of role fulfillment he’s not) deserve. But we would still have the required “options” this FO believes in.

All in all I think it’s best he stays. That trio is unprecedented in potency. What’s around them is questionable(personally I think just bad). This trade deadline should bring in the necessary changes. But with the excuse of health and Kyrie it might take until the off season when Harden can flex his muscle to get the necessary changes on this team made. Another gamble for an FO that has gambled this season. Hopefully they don’t get burned.

[NetsWorld]

If Harden gets S and T then the Nets will try and go younger. I don’t want championship expectations anymore after this whole fiasco. Build young talent and look to future talent. KD can win with young guys. I feel bad for Harden and I think his play was affected because Kyrie changed the dynamic and put a monkey wrench in everything. If Kyrie comes back full time and we get younger, I think we’ll be fine next season. This season is just getting pulled at the seams slowly day by day. We now sit at the fifth seed.

[MrDollarBills]

Kyrie honestly is the one who messed this entire thing up. Him refusing to do what was needed to be available has led to this situation becoming unsustainable. I wish he was the one leaving and not Harden.

[Prokorov]

Kyrie honestly is the one who messed this entire thing up. Him refusing to do what was needed to be available has led to this situation becoming unsustainable. I wish he was the one leaving and not Harden.

Kyrie is the reason harden is here and the reason hard is staying commited to the team.

Harden is frustrate with the mandate and the situaiton, not kyrie. this is fact. this is from his mouth. KD said the same 3 times on his podcast this month. him and eddie gonzales continue to laugh that people think the players feel that way.

[MrDollarBills]

Kyrie honestly is the one who messed this entire thing up. Him refusing to do what was needed to be available has led to this situation becoming unsustainable. I wish he was the one leaving and not Harden.

Kyrie is the reason harden is here and the reason hard is staying commited to the team.

Harden is frustrate with the mandate and the situaiton, not kyrie. this is fact. this is from his mouth. KD said the same 3 times on his podcast this month. him and eddie gonzales continue to laugh that people think the players feel that way.

You're in denial.

[Prokorov]

Kyrie honestly is the one who messed this entire thing up. Him refusing to do what was needed to be available has led to this situation becoming unsustainable. I wish he was the one leaving and not Harden.

Kyrie is the reason harden is here and the reason hard is staying commited to the team.

Harden is frustrate with the mandate and the situaiton, not kyrie. this is fact. this is from his mouth. KD said the same 3 times on his podcast this month. him and eddie gonzales continue to laugh that people think the players feel that way.

You're in denial.

I'm in denial, because i dont put stock in a clickbait headline where the article goes on to say the headline isnt what they are actually saying and there is no one actually quoted as saying those things

You are on point because
-Harden is lying
-Nash is lying
-Kyrie is lying
-KD is lying
-Eddie Gonzales is lying
-Marks/FO are lying

I mean who knows, to me the guy who gains clicks on a click bait article who admits in said article that no sources actually told him those things its his speculations is likely the thing to ignore vs what multiple people who are actually involved say in postgame, insta live, their podcast, and twitter.