Fantasy Trade Thread

[76ciology]

The Hawks owe a considerable amount of compensation to the Thunder here. There are places Harris could make sense, but OKC ain't one of them, so they'd want a lot back to absorb that salary. And even with all the drama, I'd say Simmons is quite a bit more valuable than Collins.

I also did overlook the Hawks expiring salary on this version. I was short by 10m

I did a revised one

Hawks:
Ben Simmons
Korkmaz

Thunder:
Tobias Harris
Jaden Spring
2023 Hawks 1st Rounder

Spurs:
Danny Green
2022 Sixers 1st Rounder

Sixers:
John Collins
$35M cap absorption from Thunder
$36.5M expiring

$3.5M expiring Thunders (Muscala)
$23M expiring Hawks (Dieng, Knox, Wright and Williams)
$10M expiring from Spurs (Aminu)

Then if you think Hawks needs to give more

Hawks:
Ben Simmons
Korkmaz

Thunder:
Tobias Harris
Jaden Springer
2023 Hawks 1st Rounder
2025 Hawks 1st Rounder

Spurs:
Danny Green
2022 Sixers 1st Rounder

Sixers:
John Collins
$35M cap absorption from Thunder
$36.5M expiring

$3.5M expiring Thunders (Muscala)
$23M expiring Hawks (Dieng, Knox, Wright and Williams)
$10M expiring from Spurs (Aminu)

Take the Green/Spurs part out. His contract isn't guaranteed for next year, so giving up a 1st to turn him into a worse player makes no sense.

Sorry i didnt know green’s salary next year isnt guaranteed. If so, then what u said is right. Im just basing it here https://hoopshype.com/salaries/philadelphia_76ers/Just take out the Spurs and Green from the trade.

Spoiler:

Hawks:
Ben Simmons
Korkmaz

Thunder:
Tobias Harris
Jaden Springer
2023 Hawks 1st Rounder
2022 Sixers 1st Rounder

Sixers:
John Collins
$35M cap absorption from Thunder
$26.5M expiring

$3.5M expiring Thunders (Muscala)
$23M expiring Hawks (Dieng, Knox, Wright and Williams)

[the_process]

Harris and Milton to SA for McDermott, Young, and Walker. Cut Bassey or get OKC to eat Young for a 2nd.

If you have to add a 1st to SA to get it done, add a 1st.

[youngcrev]

Hawks:
Ben Simmons
Korkmaz

Thunder:
Tobias Harris
Jaden Spring
2023 Hawks 1st Rounder

Spurs:
Danny Green
2022 Sixers 1st Rounder

Sixers:
John Collins
$35M cap absorption from Thunder
$36.5M expiring

$3.5M expiring Thunders (Muscala)
$23M expiring Hawks (Dieng, Knox, Wright and Williams)
$10M expiring from Spurs (Aminu)

Sixers:
Maxey
Seth
Thybulle
Collins
Embiid

Next year:
Maxey
Harden
Thybulle
Collins
Embiid

Side note (not just directed at you), but the Sixers would not have enough cap space to offer Harden a max deal if they took on Collins.

Just doing the math, if you straight up hit the delete button on Simmons/Harris (with nothing in return), they could offer Harden the max with like 4M to spare. You'd a little more wiggle room if you moved off Korkmaz and some other pieces, but not enough to fit the salary the size of Collins (or Barnes for people looking at Kings ideas).

[youngcrev]

If Harden is the end game, Portland could become an interesting trade partner again.

Something like:
Harris and Simmons
For
CJ, Nurkic, Covington, 2 1sts

Portland would have a hole at center, but a switch heavy Dame-Powell-Simmons-Harris-Nance lineup feels pretty interesting. Still have Simons and Little off the bench.

Just need a 3rd team to get involved to take CJ for expirings. New Orleans for Hart (non guaranteed)/Satoranski/NAW works salary-wise.

[JRoy]

If Harden is the end game, Portland could become an interesting trade partner again.

Something like:
Harris and Simmons
For
CJ, Nurkic, Covington, 2 1sts

Portland would have a hole at center, but a switch heavy Dame-Powell-Simmons-Harris-Nance lineup feels pretty interesting. Still have Simons and Little off the bench.

Just need a 3rd team to get involved to take CJ for expirings. New Orleans for Hart (non guaranteed)/Satoranski/NAW works salary-wise.

No thanks from POR. You can keep Harris.

CJ, RoCo and 2 FRP for BS

[the_process]

If Harden is the end game, Portland could become an interesting trade partner again.

Something like:
Harris and Simmons
For
CJ, Nurkic, Covington, 2 1sts

Portland would have a hole at center, but a switch heavy Dame-Powell-Simmons-Harris-Nance lineup feels pretty interesting. Still have Simons and Little off the bench.

Just need a 3rd team to get involved to take CJ for expirings. New Orleans for Hart (non guaranteed)/Satoranski/NAW works salary-wise.

If you can get that exact package from NO for CJ, then I would be on board with that deal. Perhaps NO would like to take Danny Green into their TPE as well?

[the_process]

If Harden is the end game, Portland could become an interesting trade partner again.

Something like:
Harris and Simmons
For
CJ, Nurkic, Covington, 2 1sts

Portland would have a hole at center, but a switch heavy Dame-Powell-Simmons-Harris-Nance lineup feels pretty interesting. Still have Simons and Little off the bench.

Just need a 3rd team to get involved to take CJ for expirings. New Orleans for Hart (non guaranteed)/Satoranski/NAW works salary-wise.

No thanks from POR. You can keep Harris.

CJ, RoCo and 2 FRP for BS

Yeah and as has been said many, many times... without Tobias involved there is no trade between POR and PHI that doesn't involve Dame.

[youngcrev]

If Harden is the end game, Portland could become an interesting trade partner again.

Something like:
Harris and Simmons
For
CJ, Nurkic, Covington, 2 1sts

Portland would have a hole at center, but a switch heavy Dame-Powell-Simmons-Harris-Nance lineup feels pretty interesting. Still have Simons and Little off the bench.

Just need a 3rd team to get involved to take CJ for expirings. New Orleans for Hart (non guaranteed)/Satoranski/NAW works salary-wise.

No thanks from POR. You can keep Harris.

CJ, RoCo and 2 FRP for BS

Lol. You.

[Arsenal]

Here's a monster 4 way: PHI POR SAC CLE
Who does this and who doesn't - and why?
-------------------------

PHI Out: Simmons, Harris, Reed, Joe
PHI In: Barnes, Covington, Rubio, Bagley, SAC 2023, 25, 27 1sts
Tax: $3.3M under
Why: Dump enough salary to get Harden in the summer and/or retool, and duck the tax.
PG Maxey | Milton | Rubio
SG Curry | Green | Springer
SF Barnes | Kork | Thybulle
PF RoCo | Niang | Bagley
CE Embiid | Drum | Bassey

POR Out: McCollum, Covington
POR In: Love, Thompson, 2022 CLE 1st
Tax: $145K over
Why: Swap CJ for Love to balance roster, get a 1st for RoCo, and get to the tax line.
PG Lillard | Smith
SG Powell | Simons
SF Little | McLemore
PF Love | Nance
CE Nurk | Zeller

SAC Out: Fox, Hield, Barnes, Thompson, Bagley, 2023, 25 & 27 1sts
SAC In: Simmons, Harris, McCollum, Reed, Joe
Tax: $4.1M over
Why: All-in to compete now.
PG McCollum | Mitchell
SG Haliburton | Davis | Joe
SF Simmons | Harkless
PF Harris | Reed
CE Holmes | Len

CLE Out: Love, Rubio, 2022 1st
CLE In: Fox, Hield
Tax: $1.4M under
Why: Power up weak backcourt and balance roster to make a run.
PG Garland | Rondo
SG Fox | Hield | Sexton
SF Okoro | Osman
PF Mobley | Markkanen
CE Allen | Wade

[JRoy]

That deal works for me

[youngcrev]

Here's a monster 4 way: PHI POR SAC CLE
Who does this and who doesn't - and why?
-------------------------

PHI Out: Simmons, Harris, Reed, Joe
PHI In: Barnes, Covington, Rubio, Bagley, SAC 2023, 25, 27 1sts
Tax: $3.3M under
Why: Dump enough salary to get Harden in the summer and/or retool, and duck the tax.
PG Maxey | Milton | Rubio
SG Curry | Green | Springer
SF Barnes | Kork | Thybulle
PF RoCo | Niang | Bagley
CE Embiid | Drum | Bassey

POR Out: McCollum, Covington
POR In: Love, Thompson, 2022 CLE 1st
Tax: $145K over
Why: Swap CJ for Love to balance roster, get a 1st for RoCo, and get to the tax line.
PG Lillard | Smith
SG Powell | Simons
SF Little | McLemore
PF Love | Nance
CE Nurk | Zeller

SAC Out: Fox, Hield, Barnes, Thompson, Bagley, 2023, 25 & 27 1sts
SAC In: Simmons, Harris, McCollum, Reed, Joe
Tax: $4.1M over
Why: All-in to compete now.
PG McCollum | Mitchell
SG Haliburton | Davis | Joe
SF Simmons | Harkless
PF Harris | Reed
CE Holmes | Len

CLE Out: Love, Rubio, 2022 1st
CLE In: Fox, Hield
Tax: $1.4M under
Why: Power up weak backcourt and balance roster to make a run.
PG Garland | Rondo
SG Fox | Hield | Sexton
SF Okoro | Osman
PF Mobley | Markkanen
CE Allen | Wade

The Kings aren't that dumb.

[the_process]

Here's a monster 4 way: PHI POR SAC CLE
Who does this and who doesn't - and why?
-------------------------

PHI Out: Simmons, Harris, Reed, Joe
PHI In: Barnes, Covington, Rubio, Bagley, SAC 2023, 25, 27 1sts
Tax: $3.3M under
Why: Dump enough salary to get Harden in the summer and/or retool, and duck the tax.
PG Maxey | Milton | Rubio
SG Curry | Green | Springer
SF Barnes | Kork | Thybulle
PF RoCo | Niang | Bagley
CE Embiid | Drum | Bassey

POR Out: McCollum, Covington
POR In: Love, Thompson, 2022 CLE 1st
Tax: $145K over
Why: Swap CJ for Love to balance roster, get a 1st for RoCo, and get to the tax line.
PG Lillard | Smith
SG Powell | Simons
SF Little | McLemore
PF Love | Nance
CE Nurk | Zeller

SAC Out: Fox, Hield, Barnes, Thompson, Bagley, 2023, 25 & 27 1sts
SAC In: Simmons, Harris, McCollum, Reed, Joe
Tax: $4.1M over
Why: All-in to compete now.
PG McCollum | Mitchell
SG Haliburton | Davis | Joe
SF Simmons | Harkless
PF Harris | Reed
CE Holmes | Len

CLE Out: Love, Rubio, 2022 1st
CLE In: Fox, Hield
Tax: $1.4M under
Why: Power up weak backcourt and balance roster to make a run.
PG Garland | Rondo
SG Fox | Hield | Sexton
SF Okoro | Osman
PF Mobley | Markkanen
CE Allen | Wade

Sacramento won’t give up 3 1sts in that deal. I also am not sure how excited CLE would be about Fox.

[the_process]

PHI gets Haliburton, Hield, Thompson, McDermott, and T.Young
SAC gets Simmons, Curry, and Bates-Diop
SAS gets T.Harris

Waive Reed and Bassey.

[youngcrev]

Atlanta Hawks
IN: Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris, Shake Milton and Paul Reed
OUT: John Collins, DeAndre Hunter, Danilo Gallinari, Delon Wright, Lou Williams and Kevin Knox

The Hawks add a ton of long-term money here, but also get a major talent upgrade while remaining under the tax this year. Simmons could help them reshape their defense, and I think would be a great long-term fit with Trae. Tobias slots in as their #2 half court scorer (meh).

Philadelphia 76ers
In: Gary Harris, Danilo Gallinari, DeAndre Hunter, Delon Wright and CHI '23 1st (via Orlando)
Out: Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris, Shake Milton, Paul Reed

The Sixers position themselves to make a run at Harden this summer. Hunter is a quality young starter that would fit well with the subsequent roster. Gallo and Harris give Embiid some veteran help in the meantime. They also push themselves under the tax this year.

Orlando Magic
In: John Collins, Lou Williams and Kevin Knox
Out: Gary Harris, CHI 23 1st

The Magic get a nice young piece at a fairly cheap cost. Collins feels like an interesting fit with the roster, and comes at a great price for helping to facilitate this deal.

[the_process]

Atlanta Hawks
IN: Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris, Shake Milton and Paul Reed
OUT: John Collins, DeAndre Hunter, Danilo Gallinari, Delon Wright, Lou Williams and Kevin Knox

The Hawks add a ton of long-term money here, but also get a major talent upgrade while remaining under the tax this year. Simmons could help them reshape their defense, and I think would be a great long-term fit with Trae. Tobias slots in as their #2 half court scorer (meh).

Philadelphia 76ers
In: Gary Harris, Danilo Gallinari, DeAndre Hunter, Delon Wright and CHI '23 1st (via Orlando)
Out: Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris, Shake Milton, Paul Reed

The Sixers position themselves to make a run at Harden this summer. Hunter is a quality young starter that would fit well with the subsequent roster. Gallo and Harris give Embiid some veteran help in the meantime. They also push themselves under the tax this year.

Orlando Magic
In: John Collins, Lou Williams and Kevin Knox
Out: Gary Harris, CHI 23 1st

The Magic get a nice young piece at a fairly cheap cost. Collins feels like an interesting fit with the roster, and comes at a great price for helping to facilitate this deal.

I tweaked your deal a little since the Hawks don’t want Tobias:

ATL gets Simmons, Milton, McDermott, and Bates-Diop
ORL gets Collins
PHI gets Hunter, Gallinari, G.Harris, T.Young, and 2023 CHI 1st
SAS gets T.Harris

Sixers would have to waive Reed or Bassey before this. Or they could try to offer Springer for a protected 1st and see if they get any bites.

[youngcrev]

Atlanta Hawks
IN: Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris, Shake Milton and Paul Reed
OUT: John Collins, DeAndre Hunter, Danilo Gallinari, Delon Wright, Lou Williams and Kevin Knox

The Hawks add a ton of long-term money here, but also get a major talent upgrade while remaining under the tax this year. Simmons could help them reshape their defense, and I think would be a great long-term fit with Trae. Tobias slots in as their #2 half court scorer (meh).

Philadelphia 76ers
In: Gary Harris, Danilo Gallinari, DeAndre Hunter, Delon Wright and CHI '23 1st (via Orlando)
Out: Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris, Shake Milton, Paul Reed

The Sixers position themselves to make a run at Harden this summer. Hunter is a quality young starter that would fit well with the subsequent roster. Gallo and Harris give Embiid some veteran help in the meantime. They also push themselves under the tax this year.

Orlando Magic
In: John Collins, Lou Williams and Kevin Knox
Out: Gary Harris, CHI 23 1st

The Magic get a nice young piece at a fairly cheap cost. Collins feels like an interesting fit with the roster, and comes at a great price for helping to facilitate this deal.

I tweaked your deal a little since the Hawks don’t want Tobias:

ATL gets Simmons, Milton, McDermott, and Bates-Diop
ORL gets Collins
PHI gets Hunter, Gallinari, G.Harris, T.Young, and 2023 CHI 1st
SAS gets T.Harris

Sixers would have to waive Reed or Bassey before this. Or they could try to offer Springer for a protected 1st and see if they get any bites.

If Atlanta isn't willing to eat Harris there's really no need to involve them at all. Particularly if the Spurs are willing to just eat Harris without being compensated. Either that or they add a bunch of future picks.

[PhillyNj]

PHI gets Haliburton, Hield, Thompson, McDermott, and T.Young
SAC gets Simmons, Curry, and Bates-Diop
SAS gets T.Harris

Waive Reed and Bassey.

Ugly trade for the Sixers
Value is to far off to even counter.
I understand the End game is to get Harden but the trade itself is horrendous the Kings aren’t adding Harden so why are the Sixers paying all that for Haliburton and a bunch of scrubs?

[the_process]

PHI gets Haliburton, Hield, Thompson, McDermott, and T.Young
SAC gets Simmons, Curry, and Bates-Diop
SAS gets T.Harris

Waive Reed and Bassey.

Ugly trade for the Sixers
Value is to far off to even counter.
I understand the End game is to get Harden but the trade itself is horrendous the Kings aren’t adding Harden so why are the Sixers paying all that for Haliburton and a bunch of scrubs?

I consider your "NO!!!1!1!!" to be a vote of confidence I'm heading in the right direction. So thanks!

[the_process]

Atlanta Hawks
IN: Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris, Shake Milton and Paul Reed
OUT: John Collins, DeAndre Hunter, Danilo Gallinari, Delon Wright, Lou Williams and Kevin Knox

The Hawks add a ton of long-term money here, but also get a major talent upgrade while remaining under the tax this year. Simmons could help them reshape their defense, and I think would be a great long-term fit with Trae. Tobias slots in as their #2 half court scorer (meh).

Philadelphia 76ers
In: Gary Harris, Danilo Gallinari, DeAndre Hunter, Delon Wright and CHI '23 1st (via Orlando)
Out: Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris, Shake Milton, Paul Reed

The Sixers position themselves to make a run at Harden this summer. Hunter is a quality young starter that would fit well with the subsequent roster. Gallo and Harris give Embiid some veteran help in the meantime. They also push themselves under the tax this year.

Orlando Magic
In: John Collins, Lou Williams and Kevin Knox
Out: Gary Harris, CHI 23 1st

The Magic get a nice young piece at a fairly cheap cost. Collins feels like an interesting fit with the roster, and comes at a great price for helping to facilitate this deal.

I tweaked your deal a little since the Hawks don’t want Tobias:

ATL gets Simmons, Milton, McDermott, and Bates-Diop
ORL gets Collins
PHI gets Hunter, Gallinari, G.Harris, T.Young, and 2023 CHI 1st
SAS gets T.Harris

Sixers would have to waive Reed or Bassey before this. Or they could try to offer Springer for a protected 1st and see if they get any bites.

If Atlanta isn't willing to eat Harris there's really no need to involve them at all. Particularly if the Spurs are willing to just eat Harris without being compensated. Either that or they add a bunch of future picks.

I thought the point of ATL was to get Hunter and expirings for Simmons?

If not, replace ATL with SAC.

[youngcrev]

I tweaked your deal a little since the Hawks don’t want Tobias:

ATL gets Simmons, Milton, McDermott, and Bates-Diop
ORL gets Collins
PHI gets Hunter, Gallinari, G.Harris, T.Young, and 2023 CHI 1st
SAS gets T.Harris

Sixers would have to waive Reed or Bassey before this. Or they could try to offer Springer for a protected 1st and see if they get any bites.

If Atlanta isn't willing to eat Harris there's really no need to involve them at all. Particularly if the Spurs are willing to just eat Harris without being compensated. Either that or they add a bunch of future picks.

I thought the point of ATL was to get Hunter and expirings for Simmons?

If not, replace ATL with SAC.

I mean, it's certainly part of it. But eating Harris represented a fairly big part of the value they were bringing to the table. If the Spurs are willing to do business, yeah, I'd rather take a ton of picks or Haliburton+ in a deal