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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves? 

Post#101 » by realball » Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:30 am

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JujitsuFlip wrote:8 spots left in the East, he's in, imo. Only way he misses it is if the 15 East coaches handout lifetime achievements to multiple guys, Beal and Sabonias, I'm looking at you.


what do you mean theres only 4 guard spots. lavine harden garland fvv are locks over him. He might get it over fvv because of records but that would be bull


LaMelo>FVV. I'm pretty sure if I went down the board Raptors fans would think they are better at every single position, coaching staff, and front office than the Hornets and yet we are playing so much better than them. I wonder how that is possible


We're both 1 game above .500. We just blew you out a few nights ago.

You guys have more depth, that's why you're on pace with us. Your bench is 13 ppg better than ours.
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves? 

Post#102 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:11 am

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mcgrady_1 wrote:Even though i believe he falls a bit short this year, LaMelo Ball seems like the perfect type player who'll make the ASG super entertaining.
8 spots left in the East, he's in, imo. Only way he misses it is if the 15 East coaches handout lifetime achievements to multiple guys, Beal and Sabonias, I'm looking at you.

what do you mean theres only 4 guard spots. lavine harden garland fvv are locks over him. He might get it over fvv because of records but that would be bull

FVV does not deserve to sniff the ASG... Their team is battling for a bottom play-in seed.
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves? 

Post#103 » by KembaWalker » Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:57 pm

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what do you mean theres only 4 guard spots. lavine harden garland fvv are locks over him. He might get it over fvv because of records but that would be bull


LaMelo>FVV. I'm pretty sure if I went down the board Raptors fans would think they are better at every single position, coaching staff, and front office than the Hornets and yet we are playing so much better than them. I wonder how that is possible


We're both 1 game above .500. We just blew you out a few nights ago.

You guys have more depth, that's why you're on pace with us. Your bench is 13 ppg better than ours.


TIL 28-22 is 1 game above .500
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves? 

Post#104 » by Sakkreth » Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:04 pm

Yeah Indiana sucks, but Sabonis deserves an all-star. He would be getting triple doubles left and right if the team wasn't this horrible 3pt shooting team. He gets doubled every possession, everyone else just clanks. Would have gotten 2nd trip dub in a row coming from an injury if team didn't shoot 17% from the three with open looks all night that Sabonis creates.

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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves? 

Post#105 » by Godymas » Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:34 pm

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Godymas wrote:I think Garland makes it as an injury replacement because Durant is going to sit out now

good for Garland

Otherwise in the easy it's pretty much

Guard: LaVine
Guard: Harden
Frontcourt: Butler
Frontcourt: Allen
Frontcourt: Tatum
Wildcard: Vanvleet
Wildcard: LaMelo
Injury replacement: Darius Garland

West

Guard: CP3
Guard: Donovan Mitchell
Frontcourt: KAT
Frontcourt: Gobert
Frontcourt: Draymond
Wildcard: Luka
Wildcard: AD


Did Booker steal Your girlfriend? There is no way for 3 year in a row Booker will be commisioner replacement for injured player. Coaches will vote him in.


I'll be honest with you, I forgot about Devin Booker when making the list, he makes it over AD in the Wildcard slot.
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves? 

Post#106 » by JustLucky » Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:08 pm

tbf almost every allstar predications I Have seen has fvv over ball. Hes crushed in every statistic and even assists is a tie. I don't think a couple more wins in a covid season make the difference. lamelo does not > fvv maybe next year
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves? 

Post#107 » by geminiz » Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:23 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:8 spots left in the East, he's in, imo. Only way he misses it is if the 15 East coaches handout lifetime achievements to multiple guys, Beal and Sabonias, I'm looking at you.

what do you mean theres only 4 guard spots. lavine harden garland fvv are locks over him. He might get it over fvv because of records but that would be bull

FVV does not deserve to sniff the ASG... Their team is battling for a bottom play-in seed.
but Trae Young is starting because the Hawks is killing it right.... OH WAIT!?

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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves? 

Post#108 » by realball » Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:24 pm

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LaMelo>FVV. I'm pretty sure if I went down the board Raptors fans would think they are better at every single position, coaching staff, and front office than the Hornets and yet we are playing so much better than them. I wonder how that is possible


We're both 1 game above .500. We just blew you out a few nights ago.

You guys have more depth, that's why you're on pace with us. Your bench is 13 ppg better than ours.


TIL 28-22 is 1 game above .500


My bad, I meant we're one loss behind despite being .500.
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves? 

Post#109 » by KembaWalker » Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:06 pm

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We're both 1 game above .500. We just blew you out a few nights ago.

You guys have more depth, that's why you're on pace with us. Your bench is 13 ppg better than ours.


TIL 28-22 is 1 game above .500


My bad, I meant we're one loss behind despite being .500.


All good and don't get me wrong I'm not trying to be dismissive of FVV and I know he's got some crazy good advanced stats but I'm a homer and I still think there is some intangibles narrative type stuff that puts LaMelo as a better all star candidate than him. When you have a team that is perpetually in the dumps basically adopt the playstyle of 1 kid and ride it to 28-22 and that one kid is one of the best highlight generators in the league that's worth a lot in it's own right just like any advanced metric. And he's not Jason Williams, he's statistically a very good player as well
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves? 

Post#110 » by Feed Your Head » Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:16 pm

LaMelo is definitely more suited for an all star game, and he’s going to make a ton of them. But FVV has been a beast this year, and it may be his only chance to make it.

Sometimes there’s guys that are crappy who make it, this year there’s legitimately too many good candidates. Snubs will be unavoidable.
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves? 

Post#111 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:38 pm

geminiz wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
JustLucky wrote:what do you mean theres only 4 guard spots. lavine harden garland fvv are locks over him. He might get it over fvv because of records but that would be bull

FVV does not deserve to sniff the ASG... Their team is battling for a bottom play-in seed.
but Trae Young is starting because the Hawks is killing it right.... OH WAIT!?

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I can't control what fans and media do, everyone knew he was almost a lock to start.

The 15 east head coaches should be able to get the 7 reserves right.
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves? 

Post#112 » by J_T » Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:54 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
geminiz wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:FVV does not deserve to sniff the ASG... Their team is battling for a bottom play-in seed.
but Trae Young is starting because the Hawks is killing it right.... OH WAIT!?

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I can't control what fans and media do, everyone knew he was almost a lock to start.

No, he wasn't. If he only got TWO fewer player votes, he would have had the same score as LaVine. OR if he had received just 12% or so fewer fan votes he would have finished behind LaVine AND Harden overall. He was not a lock at all.
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves? 

Post#113 » by Doctor MJ » Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:57 pm

So, since I'm seeing a lot of discussion between LaMelo and both Garland & VanVleet, let me put some specific thoughts down there.

First, I want to be clear that I thought LaMelo was a strong candidate. I don't consider myself to be a LaMelo skeptic, and there have been times during the season where LaMelo made my 12. He just didn't quite make it at this moment toward the end of January.

Now, let's begin with Garland & LaMelo, because that's the one that's more clear cut to me. I think people who haven't been looking closely at the stats would be surprised to learn that Garland scores more than LaMelo on better efficiency, and gets more assists than LaMelo does. That alone isn't any kind of proof by any means, but generally if Player A scores more, score better, and assist more while playing more games for a better team than Player B, it's not any kind of surprise when Player A gets ranked above Player B. That it is a surprise likely speaks to how much more established the hype surrounding LaMelo is compared to Garland.

And with that in mind, we consider that Garland's +/- numbers are spectacular. By raw +/- in the league, Garland is super-high, and here's a list of related players for perspective:

4. Garland (Cle) +325
35. Allen (Cle) +173

41. VanVleet (Tor) +153
48. Mobley (Cle) +140
58. Siakam (Tor) +124

81. Bridges (Cho) +96
120. Ball (Cho) +54

Clearly the level of success with Garland out there is far, far beyond what Charlotte has seen with Ball, and high enough that an MVP candidacy actually starts seeming plausible. It's not happening to this point - to this point now only is Cleveland under the radar, but Jarrett Allen seems to have been the assumed MVP of the Cavs - but this isn't what I'm seeing when I see Garland.

And if you want some actual analysis of his play, can't do better than Thinking Basketball's analysis:



Over to VanVleet, you can already see that while VanVleet's +/- doesn't end up an outlier the way Garland's does, it does tops Ball's despite Ball's team having the better record. That's not proof VanVleet should be ranked above Ball, but it does negate the argument that VanVleet's team isn't good enough to warrant an all-star at least in a debate with Ball.

And then you have VanVleet score more, score more efficiently, play better defense by a good margin, and play more.

Ball is a very promising player who I expect to be an all-star for many years...but he isn't quite making the cut for me this time around.
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves? 

Post#114 » by JujitsuFlip » Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:47 pm

Let's keep in mind, there is an 8th reserve spot in the East that Silver gets to pick. So, a guy who gets snubbed could end up in the ASG.
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves? 

Post#115 » by realball » Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:22 pm

KembaWalker wrote:
realball wrote:
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TIL 28-22 is 1 game above .500


My bad, I meant we're one loss behind despite being .500.


All good and don't get me wrong I'm not trying to be dismissive of FVV and I know he's got some crazy good advanced stats but I'm a homer and I still think there is some intangibles narrative type stuff that puts LaMelo as a better all star candidate than him. When you have a team that is perpetually in the dumps basically adopt the playstyle of 1 kid and ride it to 28-22 and that one kid is one of the best highlight generators in the league that's worth a lot in it's own right just like any advanced metric. And he's not Jason Williams, he's statistically a very good player as well


FVV is a waayy better defender than Lamelo. He's also the leader of our team. I think intangibles go to FVV here.

I have both of them making the All-Star team. But even Lamelo doesn't make it, he's still very young, he's got a lot more All-Star years ahead of him.
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Post#116 » by bisme37 » Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:38 pm

East:
Durant, Giannis, Embiid, Trae, Demar
Tatum, Butler, J Allen
Garland, Lavine

Then you need 3 more (2 wildcards and an injury replacement)
I'd say 3 of Middleton, FVV, Lamelo, Bridges and Harden but can't decide atm.
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Re: 2022 All-Star reserves? 

Post#117 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu Feb 3, 2022 9:20 pm

In about 2 and a half hours the ASG reserves will be announced on TNT.
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Post#118 » by srhcan » Thu Feb 3, 2022 9:25 pm

If Garland does not make the All-star reserves then cancel the All-Star game and burn the court on top :evil:
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Post#119 » by srhcan » Thu Feb 3, 2022 9:27 pm

bisme37 wrote:East:
Durant, Giannis, Embiid, Trae, Demar
Tatum, Butler, J Allen
Garland, Lavine

Then you need 3 more (2 wildcards and an injury replacement)
I'd say 3 of Middleton, FVV, Lamelo, Bridges and Harden but can't decide atm.

I read that Tatum has already been announced as a starter; he is replacing injured Durant. So East starters are:
Embiid, Giannis, Tatum, Demar, Trae
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Post#120 » by W_HAMILTON » Thu Feb 3, 2022 10:04 pm

Do these usually get leaked early or will we just have to wait till the official announcement?
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