Game 49 - Kings @ 76ers January 29 @ 7:30 pm ET

[stormi]

Haliburton has a <.200 FTr. Name me some other legitimate stars who draw fouls at such a poor rate.

Who's calling Tyrese Haliburton a star of any capacity?

Also, which stars are there to be had that are being turned down for the opportunity to trade for Tyrese Haliburton?

I feel like most realistic people would prefer the star. Those are just few and far between and not being offered for Ben Simmons.

Isn't that the whole purpose of this Ben shopping exercise, to get a star? So why trade him for Haliburton, who is a role player, when we have Ben under contract for multiple years? The only reason is to try to win this season while Embiid is playing out of him mind, but even then, there will likely be chemistry issues that will be our undoing.

For the record, I'm fine with trading for Haliburton + picks because I think Ben is more Dennis Rodman than Scottie Pippen, but if everyone else in the league thinks Ben's a superstar, then I'm willing to try and milk him for all he's worth.

The star is acquired through the process of opening up cap space for James Harden.

In terms of saying no to Haliburton because we're going to be given a star for Ben. That's just not happening.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

We need a guard that can hit shots like Haliburton hit tonight against us. A big athletic guard that can handle the basketball and hit from outside. Get Embiid that type of help and we will win a ring in his era. I'm not saying Haliburton is exactly who we need, but we do need a guard that can score off the dribble and hit big time shots like that. Haliburton would have been the perfect pairing with Tyrese Maxey. You prefer to get the type of guard that can fit with Maxey in the backcourt. Fox simply can't do that due to his smaller stature and inability to shoot. I understand why the trade was a no go with the Kings. Guards like that (the one we need) don't exactly grow on trees. Swinging for Harden may be our best option despite him being fat and old. Thing is, I don't think he's really on the table either for us. I'd settle for CJ McCollum...Yes...Him.

You should google "CJ McCollum video," might need a refresher when you put 'big athletic guard' in the same post as McCollum. He mostly just dances around picks or in isos to fire up mid-range shots and 3s, and he's not particularly efficient at it. Not saying he sucks but I don't think he's who you think he is.

(Also of course as many others have said, this was Halliburton's best game ever and he was completely unconscious from 3. That's not generally who he is. If he played remotely like that most nights he'd immediately be at worst a top-15 player.)

He is also not big. Six foot three at best.

Thanks Lovetron...I know CJ isn't really that big of a guy. He's still a scoring guard that would no doubt help our team out. He's better than any guard we have on this roster and would be an upgrade here. I'd prefer a longer athletic guard and i'll name them again for like the 10th time. Dinwiddie, LeVert, SGA, Haliburton, Murray....These are more of who I was talking about, but I would settle for CJ McCollum AS A SCORER if that is the best we can do. The offer would have to be Harris.

[Negrodamus]

Who's calling Tyrese Haliburton a star of any capacity?

Also, which stars are there to be had that are being turned down for the opportunity to trade for Tyrese Haliburton?

I feel like most realistic people would prefer the star. Those are just few and far between and not being offered for Ben Simmons.

Isn't that the whole purpose of this Ben shopping exercise, to get a star? So why trade him for Haliburton, who is a role player, when we have Ben under contract for multiple years? The only reason is to try to win this season while Embiid is playing out of him mind, but even then, there will likely be chemistry issues that will be our undoing.

For the record, I'm fine with trading for Haliburton + picks because I think Ben is more Dennis Rodman than Scottie Pippen, but if everyone else in the league thinks Ben's a superstar, then I'm willing to try and milk him for all he's worth.

The star is acquired through the process of opening up cap space for James Harden.

In terms of saying no to Haliburton because we're going to be given a star for Ben. That's just not happening.

For Harden:

The Rockets sent out Martin, Jeremy Lamb, two first-round picks, and a second-round pick.

For Paul:

Traded Patrick Beverley, Sam Dekker, Montrezl Harrell, Darrun Hilliard, DeAndre Liggins, Lou Williams, Kyle Wiltjer, $661k cash and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Omari Spellman was later selected) to the Los Angeles Clippers for Chris Paul.

For Westbrook:

Traded Chris Paul, a 2021 1st round draft pick, a 2024 1st round draft pick, a 2025 1st round draft pick and a 2026 1st round draft pick to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Russell Westbrook.

I'm going to guess that Ben + other things for (insert star) is what Morey is interested in doing.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

You should google "CJ McCollum video," might need a refresher when you put 'big athletic guard' in the same post as McCollum. He mostly just dances around picks or in isos to fire up mid-range shots and 3s, and he's not particularly efficient at it. Not saying he sucks but I don't think he's who you think he is.

(Also of course as many others have said, this was Halliburton's best game ever and he was completely unconscious from 3. That's not generally who he is. If he played remotely like that most nights he'd immediately be at worst a top-15 player.)

I know who CJ McCollum is. Sorry for the confusion. He's a shot maker. A player who can score off the dribble. He's not a tall athletic guard in the mold of Haliburton, SGA, or a Caris LeVert. Yeah...I know exactly who and what he is.
It's you that's misunderstood what I'm saying. Yeah, an athletic scoring guard would be ideal, but I'd settle for a smaller guard like CJ who can still score and hit threes. Hope that clears things up for you. Jesus, everyone just lives and deals in absolutes these days. You have to explain everything as if you're telling it to a five year old.

No, we’ve already established many time that CJ is not an acceptable return for Ben because he doesn’t have the impact you need and he wears a bullseye on his back in the playoffs.

He is the guard version of Tobias Harris.

Agreed, CJ for Harris was what I had in mind too.

[stormi]

Isn't that the whole purpose of this Ben shopping exercise, to get a star? So why trade him for Haliburton, who is a role player, when we have Ben under contract for multiple years? The only reason is to try to win this season while Embiid is playing out of him mind, but even then, there will likely be chemistry issues that will be our undoing.

For the record, I'm fine with trading for Haliburton + picks because I think Ben is more Dennis Rodman than Scottie Pippen, but if everyone else in the league thinks Ben's a superstar, then I'm willing to try and milk him for all he's worth.

The star is acquired through the process of opening up cap space for James Harden.

In terms of saying no to Haliburton because we're going to be given a star for Ben. That's just not happening.

For Harden:

The Rockets sent out Martin, Jeremy Lamb, two first-round picks, and a second-round pick.

For Paul:

Traded Patrick Beverley, Sam Dekker, Montrezl Harrell, Darrun Hilliard, DeAndre Liggins, Lou Williams, Kyle Wiltjer, $661k cash and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Omari Spellman was later selected) to the Los Angeles Clippers for Chris Paul.

For Westbrook:

Traded Chris Paul, a 2021 1st round draft pick, a 2024 1st round draft pick, a 2025 1st round draft pick and a 2026 1st round draft pick to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Russell Westbrook.

I'm going to guess that Ben + other things for (insert star) is what Morey is interested in doing.

It's not about the package, or the value. It's about the star appearing on the market. I guess if the plan is to hold on for Dame to request out, then sure we can go another year. But if he's delusional about his chances now I can't see him wanting out at least until next years deadline - barring things are going south.

Wait for Beal? Sure, maybe (yuck).

Trade for Harden? Yuck.

Sign Harden, while bringing in a young talent like Haliburton? Ideal, to me.

[Negrodamus]

The star is acquired through the process of opening up cap space for James Harden.

In terms of saying no to Haliburton because we're going to be given a star for Ben. That's just not happening.

For Harden:

The Rockets sent out Martin, Jeremy Lamb, two first-round picks, and a second-round pick.

For Paul:

Traded Patrick Beverley, Sam Dekker, Montrezl Harrell, Darrun Hilliard, DeAndre Liggins, Lou Williams, Kyle Wiltjer, $661k cash and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Omari Spellman was later selected) to the Los Angeles Clippers for Chris Paul.

For Westbrook:

Traded Chris Paul, a 2021 1st round draft pick, a 2024 1st round draft pick, a 2025 1st round draft pick and a 2026 1st round draft pick to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Russell Westbrook.

I'm going to guess that Ben + other things for (insert star) is what Morey is interested in doing.

It's not about the package, or the value. It's about the star appearing on the market. I guess if the plan is to hold on for Dame to request out, then sure we can go another year. But if he's delusional about his chances now I can't see him wanting out at least until next years deadline - barring things are going south.

Wait for Beal? Sure, maybe (yuck).

Trade for Harden? Yuck.

Sign Harden, while bringing in a young talent like Haliburton? Ideal, to me.

I'm with you, I'm not a Beal fan, would rather not trade for Lillard. Harden would be nice to sign outright, but he has his concerns.

But 'tis the state of the star market right now. They are either a young, emerging star that doesn't make sense to bail on for a flawed player like Ben (ie SGA, Tatum, etc) or they are towards the end of their prime and we'll be hamstrung with them for the foreseeable future (Lillard, Harden), or they are already part of a good thing (Mitchell, Jamal Murray, Jrue Holiday). So we're left with the stars that want to go to a successful team and make a jump as a player: De'Aaron Fox, Brandon Ingram, maybe Jaylen Brown, maybe D'Angelo Russell. It's a tough market, but nobody asked Ben to refuse to play.

[mjkvol]

I know who CJ McCollum is. Sorry for the confusion. He's a shot maker. A player who can score off the dribble. He's not a tall athletic guard in the mold of Haliburton, SGA, or a Caris LeVert. Yeah...I know exactly who and what he is.
It's you that's misunderstood what I'm saying. Yeah, an athletic scoring guard would be ideal, but I'd settle for a smaller guard like CJ who can still score and hit threes. Hope that clears things up for you. Jesus, everyone just lives and deals in absolutes these days. You have to explain everything as if you're telling it to a five year old.

No, we’ve already established many time that CJ is not an acceptable return for Ben because he doesn’t have the impact you need and he wears a bullseye on his back in the playoffs.

He is the guard version of Tobias Harris.

Agreed, CJ for Harris was what I had in mind too.

It's pretty funny how Blazer fans are so adamantly against that deal when it probably actually benefits them.

[Sixerscan]

I don't really get what the Blazers are doing. Like today cool McCollum and Simons scored some points but you gave up 130 to a Bulls team missing half its rotation

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

The way I see it is Portland has three undersized guards all capable of going for 30 in a game. Lillard being the most talented of the three but also injured and supposedly unavailable for a trade. CJ McCollum has quite a range of how people feel and have felt about him over the years. There are some that have said he's just as good as Lillard and much better when he's been the lead guard and there are those that say he's an overpaid chucker who can't guard a corpse. Simons is a player that they have been really patient waiting for and he's finally showing his worth for that team. They'd be smart to start a rebuild with him as the lead guard. Or...If they still feel like they can compete and want to compete, they can keep the Lillard/CJ pairing in the backcourt and trade Simons. I think with the way Simons has been playing he should be able to get them a good player in return for him IF the goal is to continue trying to win. As of right now, they look to be in tank mode with Lillard out. Dame all but said he's fine sitting out the rest of the year to get them a better draft pick. During the summer I felt that Portland would have been a great trade partner with us. Between them, the Kings, and the T'Wolves I thought for sure we'd get a deal done with Simmons. As of right now it looks as though we have struck out with all three of those teams. Portland because they have no idea what the hell they want to do, Sacramento because we didn't like what they wanted to give in return for Ben, and Minnesota because all of a sudden they are poised to be a playoff team with the emergence of Anthony Edwards.

[Tomjas]

I don't really get what the Blazers are doing. Like today cool McCollum and Simons scored some points but you gave up 130 to a Bulls team missing half its rotation

They have also been winning the odd game & are in 10th

[Zumramania]

Well usually it is not easy to win it all even with one guard who can't play defense, and Portland has three of them...

[Negrodamus]

Joel out tonight against the Grizz. No need to make a game thread for this impending bloodbath.

[the_process]

It's smart to give Jo some rest in a game they are an underdog in even with him.

Let the bench play, let Tobias pump up his stats, and take your *** whooping.

[mjkvol]

Joel out tonight against the Grizz.

About time.

[mjkvol]

It's smart to give Jo some rest in a game they are an underdog in even with him.

Let the bench play, let Tobias pump up his stats, and take your *** whooping.

Tobias should feel right at home tonight. Just like old times.

[Flash4thewin]

The way I see it is Portland has three undersized guards all capable of going for 30 in a game. Lillard being the most talented of the three but also injured and supposedly unavailable for a trade. CJ McCollum has quite a range of how people feel and have felt about him over the years. There are some that have said he's just as good as Lillard and much better when he's been the lead guard and there are those that say he's an overpaid chucker who can't guard a corpse. Simons is a player that they have been really patient waiting for and he's finally showing his worth for that team. They'd be smart to start a rebuild with him as the lead guard. Or...If they still feel like they can compete and want to compete, they can keep the Lillard/CJ pairing in the backcourt and trade Simons. I think with the way Simons has been playing he should be able to get them a good player in return for him IF the goal is to continue trying to win. As of right now, they look to be in tank mode with Lillard out. Dame all but said he's fine sitting out the rest of the year to get them a better draft pick. During the summer I felt that Portland would have been a great trade partner with us. Between them, the Kings, and the T'Wolves I thought for sure we'd get a deal done with Simmons. As of right now it looks as though we have struck out with all three of those teams. Portland because they have no idea what the hell they want to do, Sacramento because we didn't like what they wanted to give in return for Ben, and Minnesota because all of a sudden they are poised to be a playoff team with the emergence of Anthony Edwards.

The other issue with Simmons is that he is a RFA this offseason and teams like the Pistons are looking to get him, so think a max contract offer. That means the if the Blazer keep him that’s basically a max for Lillard, CJ and Simmons.

[Monix]

it's Simons