Trade Ideas for This Season

Post #181 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:48 pm

Does Millsap help this team's perimeter defense? I don't think he's going to make any difference for the Jazz.

red4hf · Post #182 » by **red4hf** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 6:54 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:Does Millsap help this team's perimeter defense? I don't think he's going to make any difference for the Jazz.

100% correct...... There's a reason why he's not playing or the Nets......

Catchall · Post #183 » by **Catchall** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:24 pm

Here are the guys the Jazz should have some interest in:
- John Collins
- Harrison Barnes
- Jerami Grant
- Kyle Kuzma
- Josh Richardson
- Marcus Smart
- maybe Justin Holiday
- maybe Marcus Morris
- maybe Nic Batum

I still think the Jazz could do something interesting with Christian Wood at the 4, but I maybe the only one at this point. I would have had some interest in Julius Randle, until I saw what his contract extension looks like.

To get one of those bigger fish, the Jazz might have to trade Bojan for a FRP to send out in a trade package. A week ago, I think the Jazz would have balked at that idea, but now that Bojan has another injury I bet the front office would be more willing to move him. If I'm the Jazz, I don't want a repeat of 2020 with Bojan.

The Jazz are better off going big for a guy like Collins or Grant, than settling for Covington, who doesn't really move the meter. The Jazz need a clear upgrade to Royce O'Neale in the closing lineup. Jazz also need to admit to themselves that Rudy Gay is unreliable at this stage of his career.

Catchall · Post #184 » by **Catchall** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:29 pm

babyjax13 wrote:
Catchall wrote:Looks like Jerami Grant wants to go to a solid playoff team where he can start. Jazz are on his list, so there is some level of mutual interest. Grant wants a really big extension though.

Read on Twitter

That account has 10 followers, so I'm guessing it's not a real list.

The source on the story is Windhorst.

babyjax13 · Post #185 » by **babyjax13** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 8:32 pm

Catchall wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:
Catchall wrote:Looks like Jerami Grant wants to go to a solid playoff team where he can start. Jazz are on his list, so there is some level of mutual interest. Grant wants a really big extension though.

Read on Twitter

That account has 10 followers, so I'm guessing it's not a real list.

The source on the story is Windhorst.

The source for there being a list is Windhorst, the actual list was not published by him.

https://hoopshabit.com/2022/01/26/nba-trades-jerami-grant-pistons/

SoCalJazzFan · Post #186 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Thu Jan 27, 2022 9:00 pm

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya7or2xx (Sorry, I don't know how to drop in the image of the resulting trade)

Jazz:
Out- Rudy Gay, Clarkson, one or two 2nd rd picks
In- Covington, Claxton, Jevon Carter, Paul Millsap

POR:
Out- Covington
In- Clarkson, 2nd rd pick

Nets:
Out- Claxton, JC, Millsap (maybe)
In- Rudy Gay, 2nd rd pick (maybe)

Why?
For POR, if they are going to give up on this season, and perhaps go a different direction, they get a 2nd and a contract that they can use in a future trade if they don't want to keep Clarkson, and don't lose Covington for nothing.

For Nets, they are going to either trade away Millsap or waive him. Due to their salary/tax situation, Millsap's $1.7M (edit $2.6M) contract actually costs them $8M (edit $12.4M). If they have no takers, they save $$ by trading him to the Jazz, even if they kick in some money as part of the deal. Jevon Carter played pretty well for a backup PG for the Suns, but he hasn't for the Nets and is a negative asset for them now, and one who is expensive given their tax status. While the Nets like Claxton, he is a RFA next season, and given their tax situation, if he gets a $10M/yr contract, he costs them nearly $50M in total next season, and more after that if they end up a repeater tax team. If they keep their Big 3, they need vets at minimum contracts. They've indicated that they want a decent asset in return for Claxton, and between the financials and Rudy Gay they would probably seriously consider this offer. (The 2nd round pick and taking on Millsap are sweeteners to the deal and are optional.)

For Jazz, while they'll lose the potential microwave scoring, they'll also avoid Clarkson shooting them out of games. They give up offense for defense, while not gutting the offense.
The starting lineup would be Gobert/Covington/Bogey/DM/MC, a good balance of offense and defense.
In small ball situations, Covington, or even Claxton, could be used as the small ball center. Both could be on the court if emphasizing defense, or just one, with Ingles, if emphasizing offense.
TBH, I think that Claxton could potentially eat into Whiteside's minutes as a backup C. Moreover, Claxton is capable of playing 1-5 defensively (I've watched videos of him effectively guarding Dame and McCollum), so teams can't thrive off of the switch. With Clarkson's contract traded and Ingles coming off the books this summer, there is plenty of room to resign Claxton and probably still pick up a mini-MLE player.
Jevon Carter gives a viable backup PG, assuming he returns to his Suns play (regardless, he should be an upgrade to Forrest). Instead of Clarkson hero ball, the bench unit could have Jevon Carter and Ingles as distributors and a more balanced playing approach.
Jazz could keep Millsap, or waive him and work out a payment from the Nets for taking him as part of the deal. Millsap was actually pretty good the past couple of seasons. Not sure if he is cooked this year, or just doesn't fit into the Nets. There is also the consideration that he or the Jazz might not want him to play here.

While Jerami Grant and John Collins, etc. might be sexy trades, they would cost the Jazz a fortune in players, draft picks and salary and potentially gut the offense, if they are even at all doable. I personally don't love the idea of trading for Smart. I think that people underestimate the value of Conley to this team.

ChiroMike · Post #187 » by **ChiroMike** » Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:46 pm

What star would everyone like in a Donovan trade?

Zeno · Post #188 » by **Zeno** » Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:08 pm

extremely marginal and cheap option that I think works with you guys. Yuta Watanabe. On an expiring minimum deal. Good big 3/4 defender who is a capable 3 point shooter. Not sure he figures in the Raps long-term plans at 27 though perhaps he does...

Post #189 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:14 pm

ChiroMike wrote:What star would everyone like in a Donovan trade?

I'd rather trade Gobert, even though he is more important to the Jazz. He's older and not worth his supermax deal, as good as he is. And at least this way the coaching staff will be forced to actually come up with a coherent and effective defensive scheme in order to stop teams instead of the current defensive scheme which is basically just playing Gobert with any 4 other guys.

D Rog · Post #190 » by **D Rog** » Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:02 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
ChiroMike wrote:What star would everyone like in a Donovan trade?

I'd rather trade Gobert, even though he is more important to the Jazz. He's older and not worth his supermax deal, as good as he is. And at least this way the coaching staff will be forced to actually come up with a coherent and effective defensive scheme in order to stop teams instead of the current defensive scheme which is basically just playing Gobert with any 4 other guys.

Donovan, JC & Bogey would have to be able & willing to defend to force the coaching staff to "actually come up with a coherent and effective defensive scheme in order to stop teams"

AingesBurner · Post #191 » by **AingesBurner** » Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:21 pm

D Rog wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
ChiroMike wrote:What star would everyone like in a Donovan trade?

I'd rather trade Gobert, even though he is more important to the Jazz. He's older and not worth his supermax deal, as good as he is. And at least this way the coaching staff will be forced to actually come up with a coherent and effective defensive scheme in order to stop teams instead of the current defensive scheme which is basically just playing Gobert with any 4 other guys.

Donovan, JC & Bogey would have to be able & willing to defend to force the coaching staff to "actually come up with a coherent and effective defensive scheme in order to stop teams"

We would basically be the Blazers without Gobert but less scoring punch from one of our guards.

dr0welf · Post #192 » by **dr0welf** » Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:11 pm

I haven't given up on Mitchell or Gobert and don't think we should entertain trading either of them unless the package is one that you can't turn down. That being said I think the rest of the team is and should be looked at.

I feel Bogey is a good player and his shooting has saved us multiple games, but I think he would be the 1st piece to go. Not only is he valuable to a team but he has shown he is more than just a shooter. I just don't know if he is what we need because of defensive short comings and he is well known to lose the ball when dribbling into the paint. Everyone goes for it.

Ingles is toast and needs to be on a team where he can just camp in the corner and shoot 3's. His defensive effort has gone down hill quickly, I am not sure if it is just off of effort or physically can't do it anymore.

JC is literally the flame thrower. His defense seems to have picked up at times this year but his offense seems to have taken a more drastic turn towards isolation then team playing. Their are times where his isolation skills are needed, but that should only be 4-5 times per game. He needs to play within the system more which would knock down his TO's. Sometimes the flame burns the user and he has definitely shot this team out of games multiple times this year.

O'neal I'm not upset at his effort. He has competed at the best of his abilities. And I don't cringe when he shoots a 3 anymore. If needed to sweeten a package he could be replaced if needed.

Whitesides is on a good deal, and he has been a beast at times this year. He has a little more offensive feel around the basket then Gobert but his effort at times has been lacking.

I think these are the main guys we can use for leverage to get us some new blood on the team. Somehow we have to get out of this slump we are in. Maybe it happens once Spida and Gobert get back, but who's to say it won't happen again once the playoffs come around. There is something wrong with the motivation of this team and needs to be addressed and I think a small mixup might be the ticket.

dr0welf · Post #193 » by **dr0welf** » Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:47 pm

What do you guys think about:

Utah trades : Jordan Clarkson

Indiana trades : Holiday, Craig

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydfobbp3

We get some better defenders and Indiana gets someone to help in scoring who can create his own shot. Saves us about 3 million as well with luxury tax.

Catchall · Post #194 » by **Catchall** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:10 am

I think if the Jazz were able to trade for Jerami Grant, they'd be favorites to come out of the West. Conley/Mitchell/Bogdanovic/Grant/Gobert would be fearsome (assuming we kept Bogey, which is unlikely).

Catchall · Post #195 » by **Catchall** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:11 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:
ChiroMike wrote:What star would everyone like in a Donovan trade?

I'd rather trade Gobert, even though he is more important to the Jazz. He's older and not worth his supermax deal, as good as he is. And at least this way the coaching staff will be forced to actually come up with a coherent and effective defensive scheme in order to stop teams instead of the current defensive scheme which is basically just playing Gobert with any 4 other guys.

Gobert isn't on a supermax deal. He's on a home-team, max extension. Given that he's regarded as the 3rd best center in the league this year, he's worth it.

Catchall · Post #196 » by **Catchall** » Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:14 am

dr0welf wrote:What do you guys think about:

Utah trades : Jordan Clarkson

Indiana trades : Holiday, Craig

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ydfobbp3

We get some better defenders and Indiana gets someone to help in scoring who can create his own shot. Saves us about 3 million as well with luxury tax.

That's a decent deal for Utah, but there might be a 3rd team involved if Indiana doesn't think Clarkson is a good fit for them.

babyjax13 · Post #197 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:57 am

Catchall wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
ChiroMike wrote:What star would everyone like in a Donovan trade?

I'd rather trade Gobert, even though he is more important to the Jazz. He's older and not worth his supermax deal, as good as he is. And at least this way the coaching staff will be forced to actually come up with a coherent and effective defensive scheme in order to stop teams instead of the current defensive scheme which is basically just playing Gobert with any 4 other guys.

Gobert isn't on a supermax deal. He's on a home-team, max extension. Given that he's regarded as the 3rd best center in the league this year, he's worth it.

It's actually a supermax, but not a full supermax.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2020/12/17/report-jazz-offered-rudy-gobert-standard-max-extension-but-he-wants-super-max/

babyjax13 · Post #198 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 2:59 am

Also, not a trade idea, but I'd love it if we released Whiteside.

Catchall · Post #199 » by **Catchall** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:23 am

babyjax13 wrote:Also, not a trade idea, but I'd love it if we released Whiteside.

Who is our backup 5 in that case? Rudy Gay at the 5 certainly hasn't worked out.

babyjax13 · Post #200 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:27 am

Catchall wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:Also, not a trade idea, but I'd love it if we released Whiteside.

Who is our backup 5 in that case? Rudy Gay at the 5 certainly hasn't worked out.

I'd rather see if Doke can figure out how to play in the NBA than watch another second of Whiteside.