Randle Trade Talk

[BKlutch]

Westbrook expires next year.

Before or after the team expires? How much more shyt can we stand? When Russ expires, the other contracts will be closer to expiring, and easier to trade, if they're even still here.

We really need to see if the FO can do something good before the trade deadline this year. There has been an incredible amount of speculation but we haven't seen anything concrete.

if we actually get russ his contract will undoubtedly end after my life expires

Nooooooo!!

Eval Eve! Nooooo!

[BKlutch]

1)Randle, Fournier, Noel for Westbrook and 2027 FRP
2)Burks to contender for Protected FRP.
3) Kemba Buyout

Empty the books by 2023 and gain 2 FRPS for potential Mitchell trade down the road

I’ll do you one better

1) Randle for Bagley, Thompson, and Sacramento’s 2022 pick
2) Fournier for Ricky Rubio’s expiring and a 2nd round draft pick
3) Burks to the to a contender for a FRP

2 FRP, 1 SRP, and cap space in 2022 to try and build around the youth core now.

I’ll allow it!

[Zenzibar]

Word b she corny af slobbin on him bc he has a great season whoopdeedoo so what we can't criticize and be mad that he's a bum now? I only listen to 2 minutes she's just tryna stir the pot and seek attention. Nah I'm good

I'm wondering if you really listened.

Nah i said maybe 2 min lol was ahe not praising Randle? That's how she started off so I cut it off

That was just the buttering up before she took out the carving knife, check it. You'll probably agree with everything she said.

[GettinitDone]

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While waiting for Thibs to get fired, or the vets to get traded/ waived/ bought out, I thought I'd watch Game 5 of 1999 NBA Finals. 

Spree was unstoppable (esp in 2nd half): vicious fast break 2 hand dunk over Jaren Jackson and 1, passing lane steals and dunks, mid rangers and 1, 3 pointers, he (35 pts) and TD had a classic playoffs duel in this game. Imo, Spree may be Knicks most fiery player of ALL TIME with actual game to back it up. 

Speaking of TD, I noticed he got way more emotions in his second year here, compared to years after where he gradually lost his soul in Pop's military-like environment.

Ward was limited talent wise but he got heart, his hands were like magnets for ball, just got steals everywhere, and he was just mentally tough. If IQ had Ward's mental toughness, IQ would hands down be our starting PG, maybe an All Star/ but at least a fringe All Star player.

3rd year Camby was a scary defender, his shot blocking and rebounding were hands down better than Mitchell Robinson's today.

Houston started cold and never got going.

We got a **** (1 pt) lead with 1 min left in game!!! LJ couldn't hit a big 3 like he did in Pacers series, then Avery hit a corner shot! We got a last shot to win the game but Ward's pass to Spree was too deep under basket, he had to dribble out and shot a desperation fadeaway airball over TD, DRob with clock running down.

Also, this may be first time I saw a player from the losing team (Spree) got interviewed on floor right after the game ended, but after a heartbreaking Finals loss?? Damn, Jim Gray, you're savage!!!

[2010]

His time in NY is coming to an end. Media smells blood!

According to an NBA source, Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau has admitted to associates he’s had more trouble getting Randle to play with a selflessness this season than during last season.

There’s video circulating on social media showing Randle walking away from fallen teammates — Obi Toppin in Milwaukee on Friday and Mitchell Robinson against Detroit last month — instead of extending a hand to pick them up. Each video shows other Knicks teammates arriving to lift Toppin and Robinson.

Also, during a timeout against the Clippers a week ago at the Garden, Randle was still in the game but not in the huddle, strolling over to have a word with his wife, Kendra, seated behind the bench.

Thibodeau has been extremely positive in pumping up Randle to the press, even though his best friend, Jeff Van Gundy, made innuendos on the national telecast of Wednesday’s game with Miami that last season’s Most Improved Player wasn’t showing the same grit as the bench players.

Thibodeau said after Sunday’s practice no changes will be made to the starting lineup.

JVG suggested wholesale changes to the starting lineup and quipped trotting out the same failing unit is the definition of insanity. Even JVG thinks Thibs is incredibly stubborn.

[Chanel Bomber]

His time in NY is coming to an end. Media is smells blood!

According to an NBA source, Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau has admitted to associates he’s had more trouble getting Randle to play with a selflessness this season than during last season.

There’s video circulating on social media showing Randle walking away from fallen teammates — Obi Toppin in Milwaukee on Friday and Mitchell Robinson against Detroit last month — instead of extending a hand to pick them up. Each video shows other Knicks teammates arriving to lift Toppin and Robinson.

Also, during a timeout against the Clippers a week ago at the Garden, Randle was still in the game but not in the huddle, strolling over to have a word with his wife, Kendra, seated behind the bench.

Thibodeau has been extremely positive in pumping up Randle to the press, even though his best friend, Jeff Van Gundy, made innuendos on the national telecast of Wednesday’s game with Miami that last season’s Most Improved Player wasn’t showing the same grit as the bench players.

Thibodeau said after Sunday’s practice no changes will be made to the starting lineup.

JVG suggested wholesale changes to the starting lineup and quipped trotting out the same failing unit is the definition of insanity. Even JVG thinks Thibs is incredibly stubborn.

Changes to the starting line-up won't make any difference. This roster is full of bench players - you can move the pieces around but you'll end up with the same outcome. What we need is a massive roster overhaul - and that decision lays at the feet of the FO.

All of our starters besides Mitch are mediocre to awful in their roles. RJ, Randle, Fournier, Kemba, none of these guys is starter material on a good team. So you can swap two of them with other bench pieces, you still end up with a bench-quality line-up.

Although I'd be curious to see how Rose-IQ would fare as starters once Rose comes back, seeing how much synergy these guys have. But we both know this isn't happening, and it likely wouldn't make much of a difference overall.

I've wanted Randle gone since last summer, but this team is probably worse without him, because our shooters still eat off his gravity and playmaking, when he actually decides to pass. We just need to be mentally ready for that in case they do trade Randle (which would obviously be the right move). Our other players will get exposed without him being the center of the criticism, although Obi/Cam would hopefully see more PT.

[HarthorneWingo]

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[2010]

His time in NY is coming to an end. Media is smells blood!

According to an NBA source, Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau has admitted to associates he’s had more trouble getting Randle to play with a selflessness this season than during last season.

There’s video circulating on social media showing Randle walking away from fallen teammates — Obi Toppin in Milwaukee on Friday and Mitchell Robinson against Detroit last month — instead of extending a hand to pick them up. Each video shows other Knicks teammates arriving to lift Toppin and Robinson.

Also, during a timeout against the Clippers a week ago at the Garden, Randle was still in the game but not in the huddle, strolling over to have a word with his wife, Kendra, seated behind the bench.

Thibodeau has been extremely positive in pumping up Randle to the press, even though his best friend, Jeff Van Gundy, made innuendos on the national telecast of Wednesday’s game with Miami that last season’s Most Improved Player wasn’t showing the same grit as the bench players.

Thibodeau said after Sunday’s practice no changes will be made to the starting lineup.

JVG suggested wholesale changes to the starting lineup and quipped trotting out the same failing unit is the definition of insanity. Even JVG thinks Thibs is incredibly stubborn.

Changes to the starting line-up won't make any difference. This roster is full of bench players - you can move the pieces around but you'll end up with the same outcome. What we need is a massive roster overhaul - and that decision lays at the feet of the FO.

All of our starters besides Mitch are mediocre to awful in their roles. RJ, Randle, Fournier, Kemba, none of these guys is starter material on a good team. So you can swap two of them with other bench pieces, you still end up with a bench-quality line-up.

Although I'd be curious to see how Rose-IQ would fare as starters once Rose comes back, seeing how much synergy these guys have. But we both know this isn't happening, and it likely wouldn't make much of a difference overall.

I've wanted Randle gone since last summer, but this team is probably worse without him, because our shooters still eat off his gravity and playmaking, when he actually decides to pass. We just need to be mentally ready for that in case they do trade Randle (which would obviously be the right move). Our other players will get exposed without him being the center of the criticism, although Obi/Cam would hopefully see more PT.

If they’re worse without him, even better. Increased Pick value.

[ScienceOfLosing]

His time in NY is coming to an end. Media smells blood!

According to an NBA source, Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau has admitted to associates he’s had more trouble getting Randle to play with a selflessness this season than during last season.

There’s video circulating on social media showing Randle walking away from fallen teammates — Obi Toppin in Milwaukee on Friday and Mitchell Robinson against Detroit last month — instead of extending a hand to pick them up. Each video shows other Knicks teammates arriving to lift Toppin and Robinson.

Also, during a timeout against the Clippers a week ago at the Garden, Randle was still in the game but not in the huddle, strolling over to have a word with his wife, Kendra, seated behind the bench.

Thibodeau has been extremely positive in pumping up Randle to the press, even though his best friend, Jeff Van Gundy, made innuendos on the national telecast of Wednesday’s game with Miami that last season’s Most Improved Player wasn’t showing the same grit as the bench players.

Thibodeau said after Sunday’s practice no changes will be made to the starting lineup.

JVG suggested wholesale changes to the starting lineup and quipped trotting out the same failing unit is the definition of insanity. Even JVG thinks Thibs is incredibly stubborn.

I can't see them keeping Randle here. Maybe they don't move him now but I bet they are trying. This season is lost and Julius (with a lower talented team like us) really has no future here.

Perhaps management is waiting for the offseason but we are going to have a good idea before this trade deadline, of course. Exciting time.

[ScienceOfLosing]

His time in NY is coming to an end. Media is smells blood!

According to an NBA source, Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau has admitted to associates he’s had more trouble getting Randle to play with a selflessness this season than during last season.

There’s video circulating on social media showing Randle walking away from fallen teammates — Obi Toppin in Milwaukee on Friday and Mitchell Robinson against Detroit last month — instead of extending a hand to pick them up. Each video shows other Knicks teammates arriving to lift Toppin and Robinson.

Also, during a timeout against the Clippers a week ago at the Garden, Randle was still in the game but not in the huddle, strolling over to have a word with his wife, Kendra, seated behind the bench.

Thibodeau has been extremely positive in pumping up Randle to the press, even though his best friend, Jeff Van Gundy, made innuendos on the national telecast of Wednesday’s game with Miami that last season’s Most Improved Player wasn’t showing the same grit as the bench players.

Thibodeau said after Sunday’s practice no changes will be made to the starting lineup.

JVG suggested wholesale changes to the starting lineup and quipped trotting out the same failing unit is the definition of insanity. Even JVG thinks Thibs is incredibly stubborn.

Changes to the starting line-up won't make any difference. This roster is full of bench players - you can move the pieces around but you'll end up with the same outcome. What we need is a massive roster overhaul - and that decision lays at the feet of the FO.

All of our starters besides Mitch are mediocre to awful in their roles. RJ, Randle, Fournier, Kemba, none of these guys is starter material on a good team. So you can swap two of them with other bench pieces, you still end up with a bench-quality line-up.

Although I'd be curious to see how Rose-IQ would fare as starters once Rose comes back, seeing how much synergy these guys have. But we both know this isn't happening, and it likely wouldn't make much of a difference overall.

I've wanted Randle gone since last summer, but this team is probably worse without him, because our shooters still eat off his gravity and playmaking, when he actually decides to pass. We just need to be mentally ready for that in case they do trade Randle (which would obviously be the right move). Our other players will get exposed without him being the center of the criticism, although Obi/Cam would hopefully see more PT.

Pretty much agree'd. But I'm sure most Knicks fans would like to get Julius off the team and just let the kids take over. If we can add a Brunson in the off-season, that can really change things.

We lack talent but as long as Julius is here, he just is killing the team's progress and most likely a **** influence on the kids. We need to get him off the team.

I wonder if we do nothing but remove Julius, how much better it makes us this year and going forward. He is the wild card. How much is he affecting Fournier and the others as well? I'm sure quite a few moves are coming though. But I want Julius off the team. (And I feel bad for the guy, wish nothing ill on him, but as a business decision, we have to move on from him.)

[Reign23]

I need Randle to have BIG BIG game tonight against SAC

[HopelessKnick]

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Thanks for posting this. I still love JVG and think he retired way too soon.

Notable quote (approximation):

"If it was me I'd play Grimes 55 minutes a game. I'd play the competitors more. He is the only guy that seems to have the intent to get better."

[HopelessKnick]

I need Randle to have BIG BIG game tonight against SAC

Along with us losing the game. I'm still hopeful Sactown could move ahead of us.

[thebuzzardman]

His time in NY is coming to an end. Media is smells blood!

According to an NBA source, Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau has admitted to associates he’s had more trouble getting Randle to play with a selflessness this season than during last season.

There’s video circulating on social media showing Randle walking away from fallen teammates — Obi Toppin in Milwaukee on Friday and Mitchell Robinson against Detroit last month — instead of extending a hand to pick them up. Each video shows other Knicks teammates arriving to lift Toppin and Robinson.

Also, during a timeout against the Clippers a week ago at the Garden, Randle was still in the game but not in the huddle, strolling over to have a word with his wife, Kendra, seated behind the bench.

Thibodeau has been extremely positive in pumping up Randle to the press, even though his best friend, Jeff Van Gundy, made innuendos on the national telecast of Wednesday’s game with Miami that last season’s Most Improved Player wasn’t showing the same grit as the bench players.

Thibodeau said after Sunday’s practice no changes will be made to the starting lineup.

JVG suggested wholesale changes to the starting lineup and quipped trotting out the same failing unit is the definition of insanity. Even JVG thinks Thibs is incredibly stubborn.

Changes to the starting line-up won't make any difference. This roster is full of bench players - you can move the pieces around but you'll end up with the same outcome. What we need is a massive roster overhaul - and that decision lays at the feet of the FO.

All of our starters besides Mitch are mediocre to awful in their roles. RJ, Randle, Fournier, Kemba, none of these guys is starter material on a good team. So you can swap two of them with other bench pieces, you still end up with a bench-quality line-up.

Although I'd be curious to see how Rose-IQ would fare as starters once Rose comes back, seeing how much synergy these guys have. But we both know this isn't happening, and it likely wouldn't make much of a difference overall.

I've wanted Randle gone since last summer, but this team is probably worse without him, because our shooters still eat off his gravity and playmaking, when he actually decides to pass. We just need to be mentally ready for that in case they do trade Randle (which would obviously be the right move). Our other players will get exposed without him being the center of the criticism, although Obi/Cam would hopefully see more PT.

If they are going to play around the same, then play the youth and let them get experience.

I disagree lineup changes wouldn't help.

Is the team suddenly some strong contender? No.
But some lineups make more sense than others, and the tweaks aren't massive.

But hey, lineups don't matter, so Knicks should start Noel, Mitch, Taj and Sims. Randle can play PG.

[prophet_of_rage]

Take it if offered. Westbrook likes stats and he can play dad to the young guns. He can also run with them.

It'll be a good but fruitless couple years.

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[Chanel Bomber]

His time in NY is coming to an end. Media is smells blood!









JVG suggested wholesale changes to the starting lineup and quipped trotting out the same failing unit is the definition of insanity. Even JVG thinks Thibs is incredibly stubborn.

Changes to the starting line-up won't make any difference. This roster is full of bench players - you can move the pieces around but you'll end up with the same outcome. What we need is a massive roster overhaul - and that decision lays at the feet of the FO.

All of our starters besides Mitch are mediocre to awful in their roles. RJ, Randle, Fournier, Kemba, none of these guys is starter material on a good team. So you can swap two of them with other bench pieces, you still end up with a bench-quality line-up.

Although I'd be curious to see how Rose-IQ would fare as starters once Rose comes back, seeing how much synergy these guys have. But we both know this isn't happening, and it likely wouldn't make much of a difference overall.

I've wanted Randle gone since last summer, but this team is probably worse without him, because our shooters still eat off his gravity and playmaking, when he actually decides to pass. We just need to be mentally ready for that in case they do trade Randle (which would obviously be the right move). Our other players will get exposed without him being the center of the criticism, although Obi/Cam would hopefully see more PT.

If they are going to play around the same, then play the youth and let them get experience.

I disagree lineup changes wouldn't help.

Is the team suddenly some strong contender? No.
But some lineups make more sense than others, and the tweaks aren't massive.

But hey, lineups don't matter, so Knicks should start Noel, Mitch, Taj and Sims. Randle can play PG.

I agree it's pointless to play so many vets if the season is lost.

Just don't expect the team to get better results was my point.

The talent distribution is flat after Rose and to a lesser extent Mitch and Randle.

There's no RJ unleashed, or Tracy McReddish.

But I'm all for clearing minutes for Cam, and giving IQ and Grimes more playing time.

[Marty McFly]

Randle is having a horrendous season but he is better than what he's shown to be. any deal we make for him needs to be for someone who fits with RJ skillset.

[HarthorneWingo]

No one wants to put up a game thread anymore?

[Chanel Bomber]

Randle is having a horrendous season but he is better than what he's shown to be. any deal we make for him needs to be for someone who fits with RJ skillset.

RJ isn't good enough to have roster moves made with him in mind.

The Knicks should get the best value for Randle regardless of fit.

The only consistently good players on this roster are Rose and Mitch. One is old, the other will be a UFA (although I'd argue the Knicks should resign him).

[strummer]

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Thanks for posting this. I still love JVG and think he retired way too soon.

Notable quote (approximation):

"If it was me I'd play Grimes 55 minutes a game. I'd play the competitors more. He is the only guy that seems to have the intent to get better."

Just a correction - he didn't say or imply the bolded part. He said Grimes "has an energy no one else does on the team." He later says Grimes has an intent to get better, but does not say or imply no one else on the team has an intent to get better.