2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread

[LarSiN]

Dinwiddie + Bamba would be nice

[tecumseh18]

I'd trade Dragic + 1st for Spencer Dinwiddie.

He's the type of Combo Guard we need off the bench. Someone who I think still can break out. He's only owed 7 million his final year. A contract that can still be easily moved if he doesn't perform for us.

I remember a report saying the Raptors were interested in Dinwiide when he was with the Nets

There is nothing about Dinwiddie's numbers or personality that suggests he and that contract is worth a FRP. Especially not a 2022 FRP that will be in the teens.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

Am I the only one who's not a fan of the Magic players? Outside of Bamba

1. Terence Ross is just a streaky shooter and thats it. He plays mediocre defense and is not a combo facilitating guard we need. I just dont see nurse liking him

2. Gary Harris has been abysmal since joining the Magic. Terrible shooting splits. Not to mention injury prone.

3. Robin Lopex is not a upgrade over Birch. He's barely an upgrade over Precious. If we want a Center...I think Masai wants a bigger piece

Mo Bamba is the only player I'd be ok with

thats how i feel about the players as well but Ross only has 1 year and Harris and Lopez are expiring. big prize is to add a capable big man that we can sign long term - that actually has size. 7'0" and 7'10" wingspan.

[alevirfe]

Dragic for Dinwiddie/Gafford makes a lot of sense for us. wonder what the sweetener would need to be

[tecumseh18]

Not sure why it's in my head to try to get JV back right now.

[tecumseh18]

Dragic for Dinwiddie/Gafford makes a lot of sense for us. wonder what the sweetener would need to be

Gafford signed an extension for next year, and for practical purposes can't be traded this season. Wizards are clearly showcasing Bryant right now.

[HangTime]

Raptors get:
Gorgui Dieng
Thad Young
Moses Brown
2nd round pick (Mavs)

Pacers get:
Malachi Flynn
Svi Mykhailiuk/Issac Bonga

Spurs get:
Dwight Powell
Trey Burke
2nd round pick (Pacers)
2nd round pick (choice of Mavs 2022 or 2024, Toronto gets the other)

Hawks get:
Issac Bonga/Svi Mykhailiuk
Keifer Sykes

Mavs get:
Goran Dragic

[PoundTown]

Just do a trade with Dallas and give dragic his wish unless there is actually good stuff on table for Goran... not saying we don’t inquire about some other possible deals first. Wonder if GSW wants him at all and would give up Moses moody for example.

Get a second rounder and the young Aussie guard and some package back with Powell and some other mediocre dude but hopefully an upgrade over our bench . Throw in Malachi, call it a day.

[bboyskinnylegs]

I wonder if something like Rubio+Ed Davis for Dragic+Flynn could make sense? Ed helps with our frontcourt depth, we open up $1M to sign someone this year, and while Rubio probably doesn't return this season, we could potentially use bird rights to sign him this summer.

[Zeno]

I wonder if something like Rubio+Ed Davis for Dragic+Flynn could make sense? Ed helps with our frontcourt depth, we open up $1M to sign someone this year, and while Rubio probably doesn't return this season, we could potentially use bird rights to sign him this summer.

Just Rubio a plus a 2nd for Dragic is what I’d aim for. I think we’d want to keep the roster spot to convert Champagnie. But I hope there is something better out there than that because that obviously doesn’t help for this year.
I think we might have some interest in PJ Washington from Charlotte as a kind of long term Boucher replacement maybe, Don’t know what it would take though.

[Psubs]

Just do a trade with Dallas and give dragic his wish unless there is actually good stuff on table for Goran... not saying we don’t inquire about some other possible deals first. Wonder if GSW wants him at all and would give up Moses moody for example.

Get a second rounder and the young Aussie guard and some package back with Powell and some other mediocre dude but hopefully an upgrade over our bench . Throw in Malachi, call it a day.

If there was a trade to be made with Dallas directly, it would've been made a long long time ago.

[Ell Curry]

I was thinking a Beasley for Dragic trade because the Wolves' best bet at getting a starting forward without giving up a first is a free agent signing next year, but if they're bringing back Beverley (and they appear to want to) and want to compete this year and giving up Beasley doesn't free up much more than the MLE, so I think they're more likely to just move Prince, Layman and Okogie and picks for say Jerami Grant and get under the tax too.

Masai will want to turn Dragic into our 6th definite player, but I don't think it's really possible without giving up a first, so he'll settle for the best asset offered for taking on a bit of 2022 bad money.

So this next deal probably won't happen, but I think works in theory:

Raptors - Will Barton, Nuggets #20 pick
Denver - Derrick White, Spurs #32 pick, Malachi Flynn
Spurs - Dragic, Raps #17 pick

with the actual language maybe being the Spurs get the better of the first rounders and the Raptors the worse one.

but maybe I'm underrating Derrick White.

Spurs save money to get real cap space and offer the max for Miles Bridges and/or DeAndre Ayton, both of whom would fit like a glove in their frontcourt, and Murray/Vassell/Primo should handle 88-90 of the 96 guard minutes next year if you have Murray remain at 34, Primo go from 13 to about 24 and Vassell up from 25 to 30 that's about right and leaves 8-10 minutes a night for a rookie wing splitting time at the 2 and 3 with Kelden Johnson and their own high first rounder, Poeltl and a free agent being the frontcourt group (if they sign Ayton they move Poeltl for a pick or a forward, if they sign Bridges they keep him, or maybe they draft Duren with one pick and a forward with the other). They move up 10-15 spots in the draft which is big for a rebuilding team who will never be bottom 5.

Nuggets stay under the tax and lock in White at a decent number with their nightmarish tax numbers coming up meaning they can't do much else,, and he's 4 years younger than Barton and the cap should go up by 2023 when Barton is off the books so might not be so bad. Murray-White-Porter-Gordon-Jokic if healthy is a nice group with White and Gordon being the main defenders of stars. They only move down 12 picks to get 4 years younger. Flynn is a cheap PG who is better than Campazzo and might prove useful for them if Murray misses time, and they can't turn down a 10th man type who is cheap considering their coming tax issues. He's probably going to be better than Rivers/Howard/Campazzo even if not by much, it helps as a 3rd PG behind Monte Morris.

Raptors don't use the MLE this summer and just have Barton as the bench guard with a resigned Boucher (might put us 1-2M over the tax but we can figure that out as we did this year or just not bring back Jalen Harris or draft a Euro or something) and Achiuwa. We move down a few picks, but Barton helps and can be moved as an expiring next year, and is way better than any guard we can get with the MLE.

But I don't think Masai is moving down even a few picks to make us a better play-in team.

If Masai also thinks there's nobody good to get with the MLE, what's the best draft pick we can get for taking on 10-12M in bad 2022 money, and we can still keep Boucher and just move the bad player and a 2nd at the deadline for a similar player if we don't include him in a bigger deal. That's probably his first priority. Harkless, Bagley and Len for Dragic saves the Kings 8M which should give them closer to 13M or so after they use their pick. They would send us the #36 pick in this scenario. We'd get a look at Bagley and RFA rights and a decent pick for taking on 8M in Harkless and Len (who we cut, he's a snitch).

[Jadoogar]

I wonder if something like Rubio+Ed Davis for Dragic+Flynn could make sense? Ed helps with our frontcourt depth, we open up $1M to sign someone this year, and while Rubio probably doesn't return this season, we could potentially use bird rights to sign him this summer.

Just Rubio a plus a 2nd for Dragic is what I’d aim for. I think we’d want to keep the roster spot to convert Champagnie. But I hope there is something better out there than that because that obviously doesn’t help for this year.
I think we might have some interest in PJ Washington from Charlotte as a kind of long term Boucher replacement maybe, Don’t know what it would take though.

yea i don't mind rubio for dragic swap. Both are expiring but Dragic will actually play this year so that should help Cleveland. This make no real impact for the raptors in the short term because Dragic already isn't playing but Rubio is a much better player in the long term, maybe he would be willing to resign with us for a 1+1 prove himself type deal.

[Ell Curry]

Dragic for Dinwiddie/Gafford makes a lot of sense for us. wonder what the sweetener would need to be

Gafford signed an extension for next year, and for practical purposes can't be traded this season. Wizards are clearly showcasing Bryant right now.

Thanking god I'm not a Wizards fan. Real Bosh era Raptors stuff.

[Raptorfan2012]

Dinwiddie would be a great guard to pick up to strengthen our bench. He may be on the outs of Washington esp if the Wiz give up by the trade deadline.

[Ell Curry]

I wonder if something like Rubio+Ed Davis for Dragic+Flynn could make sense? Ed helps with our frontcourt depth, we open up $1M to sign someone this year, and while Rubio probably doesn't return this season, we could potentially use bird rights to sign him this summer.

Just Rubio a plus a 2nd for Dragic is what I’d aim for. I think we’d want to keep the roster spot to convert Champagnie. But I hope there is something better out there than that because that obviously doesn’t help for this year.
I think we might have some interest in PJ Washington from Charlotte as a kind of long term Boucher replacement maybe, Don’t know what it would take though.

yea i don't mind rubio for dragic swap. Both are expiring but Dragic will actually play this year so that should help Cleveland. This make no real impact for the raptors in the short term because Dragic already isn't playing but Rubio is a much better player in the long term, maybe he would be willing to resign with us for a 1+1 prove himself type deal.

If Spotrac is right then this deal keeps Cleveland under the tax and saves us 1.6M which I think means we can probably sign a veteran buyout guy for the minimum and stay under, though Blake Murphy has us only 16K under the tax and not 268K like Spotrac does, and he's probably right, so then it becomes about Gary Trent incentives I think. We might be more likely to get 1.8M back from Dragic for buying him and gets to choose his spot. That's only like what, 1M after Canadian taxes and he's getting most of that back by signing somewhere anyways. But he can't join the Heat unless he's traded first, so maybe he wants to get traded and then bought out and will have leverage not to be.

I could see Rubio being happy here on a 1-2 year deal.

[Ell Curry]

I'd trade Dragic + 1st for Spencer Dinwiddie.

He's the type of Combo Guard we need off the bench. Someone who I think still can break out. He's only owed 7 million his final year. A contract that can still be easily moved if he doesn't perform for us.

I remember a report saying the Raptors were interested in Dinwiide when he was with the Nets

There is nothing about Dinwiddie's numbers or personality that suggests he and that contract is worth a FRP. Especially not a 2022 FRP that will be in the teens.

Yeah hard no. His last year has a 10M guarantee which sucks too.

And he's gotten to the rim half the amount he did last year (shots inside 3 feet) which makes me worried he's already declining at 28 with the injuries he's had, as Beal, KCP and Kuzma playing 2-3 of the spots next to him isn't really any less spacing than he'd have here when he's on the court and one of Trent or Van Vleet isn't (the other one and OG and Barnes/Siakam/Boucher/Achiuwa/Birch/Banton isn't a ton more gravity).

I just don't think we're trading a first with Dragic for someone over 25 or 26.

[Ell Curry]

Dinwiddie would be a great guard to pick up to strengthen our bench. He may be on the outs of Washington esp if the Wiz give up by the trade deadline.

Dinwiddie and Aaron Holliday for Dragic, Flynn and a 2nd rounder, both teams stay under the tax, feels like our max offer, and I don't think they'd take it.

In theory they can open up real cap space if they dump Dinwiddie, KCP and Bertans and go get a better PG like Brunson or Tyus Jones, but getting off of Bertans is gonna be expensive. If it had 2 years left, same as Birch, I could see Masai taking it on for a first and if he plays well with us, getting off of it for a 2nd next year, but 3 years is just insane. We should probably just hire his agent.

[Los_29]

Isn’t Rubio out the year? Why are we trading an asset in Dragic who can net us a player that can actually contribute for another expiring that can’t help us?

[Dalek]

I have been looking at New Orleans who might decide to pull the plug on the playoffs and be willing to take on Dragic to gain some space going into next year.

I actually am a fan of Devonte Graham who just has sneaky numbers like last year when he had a defensive RPM that was seventh among guards, while also being a pretty good scoring threat and having a passing rate of 22%. To me he was a good signing for the price, but NO has a couple young PGs who need minutes and maybe Dragic can guide them.

Imagine a deal like Graham plus Jaxson Hayes and Satoranky for Dragic, Flynn and Svi plus our FRP 2022. It gives NO flexibility plus a prospect and a decent pick.

Toronto gets a starter level PG that at worst can spell FVV and play bench minutes, along with Hayes who is a nice energy big maybe further along than Precious. Sato is a nice player that I am surprised NO doesn't use. Fits Toronto's timeline plus brings in young vets that still have game.