2022 Offseason moves

[wco81]

Now there’s a report saying that Brady’s agent says to wait for official word of reirement.

[righterwriter]

How so? They just invested aton in Lance & don't have the draft capital to make it work. Green Bay has Love. So a swap of Lance wouldn't work on their end. They could've had him if they had just been patient & not gone all in on Lance.

lance is a promising qb prospect on a rookie deal, you could probably send him to a half dozen other teams fairly easily

If the Niners can get Rodgers they will. You don't go to a SB and then two years later get to the AFC Championship (and maybe SB) and pass on a chance at Rodgers to go with your newly drafted QB. If you are a contender you go for it.

Hard to pass on the MVP. Of course, Rogers is 38 and will probably sign a several year contract for nearly $40m/yr. So there's more to it, like the 49ers being able to afford to keep Nick Bosa and Deebo, among others.

If the Niners can make the NFC Championship with Jimmy G. and his average QB play, they should be able to be even better with Lance, and he'll only make $8.5m/yr for another three seasons. I'm pretty sure they are happy where they are.

[bwgood77]

lance is a promising qb prospect on a rookie deal, you could probably send him to a half dozen other teams fairly easily

If the Niners can get Rodgers they will. You don't go to a SB and then two years later get to the AFC Championship (and maybe SB) and pass on a chance at Rodgers to go with your newly drafted QB. If you are a contender you go for it.

Hard to pass on the MVP. Of course, Rogers is 38 and will probably sign a several year contract for nearly $40m/yr. So there's more to it, like the 49ers being able to afford to keep Nick Bosa and Deebo, among others.

If the Niners can make the NFC Championship with Jimmy G. and his average QB play, they should be able to be even better with Lance, and he'll only make $8.5m/yr for another three seasons. I'm pretty sure they are happy where they are.

So you feel Lance is a guarantee to make them really good and that there is no way they could keep Deebo and Bosa if they signed Rodgers? If they couldn't keep those guys I would probably pass on him, but I do think if you are knocking on the door of a SB championship you shouldn't go for a young QB and just assume he will be great.

[wco81]

They traded away Buckner to manage the cap. Last offseason would have been very difficult if they paid Buckner and then was looking at paying Bosa and Samuel.

But I think the bigger obstacle would be what the Packers demand, likely multiple FRPs that they simply can't provide.

Definitely taking on a $40 million contract would make it difficult. I don't know their exact cap situation in the offseason but they have some other starters that they either will have to pay or let walk, like McGlinchey, who isn't that great but he was the #9 pick a few years ago and is the starter.

[Cactus Jack]

If the Niners can get Rodgers they will. You don't go to a SB and then two years later get to the AFC Championship (and maybe SB) and pass on a chance at Rodgers to go with your newly drafted QB. If you are a contender you go for it.

Hard to pass on the MVP. Of course, Rogers is 38 and will probably sign a several year contract for nearly $40m/yr. So there's more to it, like the 49ers being able to afford to keep Nick Bosa and Deebo, among others.

If the Niners can make the NFC Championship with Jimmy G. and his average QB play, they should be able to be even better with Lance, and he'll only make $8.5m/yr for another three seasons. I'm pretty sure they are happy where they are.

So you feel Lance is a guarantee to make them really good and that there is no way they could keep Deebo and Bosa if they signed Rodgers? If they couldn't keep those guys I would probably pass on him, but I do think if you are knocking on the door of a SB championship you shouldn't go for a young QB and just assume he will be great.

Rodgers gives you a 2-4 year window.

Lance is still an unknown. A 2nd year rookie starter essentially. You could get Jalen Hurts type production. But that doesn't get you over the hump. You also play in the best division in Football. Nothing is guaranteed.

Having a proven elite QB is still far & away the best course to take. Because then you're pretty much guaranteed to have more than 10 wins every year.

[wco81]

Bengals accumulated a lot of great skills players with high draft picks, Mixon and all the WRs.

Clearly they're lacking in the OL and DL. Not sure about their LBs or secondary either.

May have to use free agency if they want to make noise while Burrow is on a rookie deal, though in a year or two he's due for a huge extension?

Is that cheapskate owner going to spend? Or pay Burrow for that matter?

Already Burrow has had ACL and this season he took a lot of sacks and hits. Promising MVP-level QB but team may not be good enough to compete before he gets a huge extension. Or he may take too much of a beating to continue to be effective.

[JujitsuFlip]

Bengals accumulated a lot of great skills players with high draft picks, Mixon and all the WRs.

Clearly they're lacking in the OL and DL. Not sure about their LBs or secondary either.

May have to use free agency if they want to make noise while Burrow is on a rookie deal, though in a year or two he's due for a huge extension?

Is that cheapskate owner going to spend? Or pay Burrow for that matter?

Already Burrow has had ACL and this season he took a lot of sacks and hits. Promising MVP-level QB but team may not be good enough to compete before he gets a huge extension. Or he may take too much of a beating to continue to be effective.

They're not really lacking on the DL, they're just injured.

The OL is swiss cheese, need at least 3 new starters but probably 4.

Mike Brown is very cheap but there has been a little bit of a changing of the guard since Katie Blackburn and Duke Tobin have been in the driver's seat.

2020: signed CB Trae Waynes 3 years $42 million, NT DJ Reader 4 years $53 million, G Xavier Su'a-Filo 3 years $9 million, and SS Von Bell 3 years $18 million.

2021: signed DE Trey Hendrickson 4 years $60 million, Larry Ogunjobi 1 year $6.2 million, OT Riley Reiff 2 years $7.5 million, CB Mike Hilton 4 years $24 million, CB Chidobe Awuzie 3 years $22 million, and traded for DT BJ Hill final season on his $4 million deal.

Fun fact, Bengals have almost $60 million in cap space (top 3 in the league) and can get an additional $11 million in space by cutting Waynes, which they will do.

OL needs to be the focus.

[righterwriter]

Hard to pass on the MVP. Of course, Rogers is 38 and will probably sign a several year contract for nearly $40m/yr. So there's more to it, like the 49ers being able to afford to keep Nick Bosa and Deebo, among others.

If the Niners can make the NFC Championship with Jimmy G. and his average QB play, they should be able to be even better with Lance, and he'll only make $8.5m/yr for another three seasons. I'm pretty sure they are happy where they are.

So you feel Lance is a guarantee to make them really good and that there is no way they could keep Deebo and Bosa if they signed Rodgers? If they couldn't keep those guys I would probably pass on him, but I do think if you are knocking on the door of a SB championship you shouldn't go for a young QB and just assume he will be great.

Rodgers gives you a 2-4 year window.

Lance is still an unknown. A 2nd year rookie starter essentially. You could get Jalen Hurts type production. But that doesn't get you over the hump. You also play in the best division in Football. Nothing is guaranteed.

Having a proven elite QB is still far & away the best course to take. Because then you're pretty much guaranteed to have more than 10 wins every year.

Nah, its not in this case, for the reasons I stated already.

You've underrated Lance from the get-go, so I'm not shocked you don't give him much credit now. It's going to be quite apparent how much he opens up the Niners offense next season with his arm and legs.

[righterwriter]

If the Niners can get Rodgers they will. You don't go to a SB and then two years later get to the AFC Championship (and maybe SB) and pass on a chance at Rodgers to go with your newly drafted QB. If you are a contender you go for it.

Hard to pass on the MVP. Of course, Rogers is 38 and will probably sign a several year contract for nearly $40m/yr. So there's more to it, like the 49ers being able to afford to keep Nick Bosa and Deebo, among others.

If the Niners can make the NFC Championship with Jimmy G. and his average QB play, they should be able to be even better with Lance, and he'll only make $8.5m/yr for another three seasons. I'm pretty sure they are happy where they are.

So you feel Lance is a guarantee to make them really good and that there is no way they could keep Deebo and Bosa if they signed Rodgers? If they couldn't keep those guys I would probably pass on him, but I do think if you are knocking on the door of a SB championship you shouldn't go for a young QB and just assume he will be great.

As I said, he doesn't even have to be great, just better than Jimmy G. I don't think people understand how much Jimmy limited the 49ers offense with his lack of ability to deal with pressure, throw outside the numbers, make plays on the run, and avoid back breaking dumb decisions.

Against Lance defenses will have to cover the deep ball, cover the sidelines, and keep a spy on him in case he runs for it. He's got the whole package, he just needs to improve his touch on the ball and some mechanics in the pocket. But he's incredibly coachable and works and studies harder more than about anyone on the team. I'm not overstating it when I say that he is up at Josh Allen's level in terms of arm talent and running ability.

Give him four games to get into a real groove and I think you'll see how very good he is after that.

[Cactus Jack]

Nah, its not in this case, for the reasons I stated already.

You've underrated Lance from the get-go, so I'm not shocked you don't give him much credit now. It's going to be quite apparent how much he opens up the Niners offense next season with his arm and legs.

Why would I give him credit? When he hasn't proven anything. If he plays like Mahomes did right away, then sure. But he'll still be a first year starter with growing pains.

[righterwriter]

Nah, its not in this case, for the reasons I stated already.

You've underrated Lance from the get-go, so I'm not shocked you don't give him much credit now. It's going to be quite apparent how much he opens up the Niners offense next season with his arm and legs.

Why would I give him credit? When he hasn't proven anything. If he plays like Mahomes did right away, then sure. But he'll still be a first year starter with growing pains.

You obviously didn't watch him play this year. Even with the growing pains, he opened up the offense and showed off a ton of skill.

It's easy to fall back on the old "he'll just be a first year starter", but actually analyzing his play this season shows that he is almost certain to be better than Jimmy G was. Defenses have to respect his arm and his athletic ability, and it's remarkable that he could play in a Shanahan offense this season as a 21 year old and not be overwhelmed.

If you want to do some analysis on this play, you can invest some time in watching this video. Just make sure to watch the whole thing (or at least at 12:20 onward), as he really took off from the end of the first half:

Watch on YouTube

If you want to watch every play he had that game, but without the analysis, here you go:

Watch on YouTube

[wco81]

I'm beginning to suspect that the offense with Trey won't be much different.

What's becoming obvious is that Shanahan is pretty conservative in his play calling. It's not a coincidence that he has blown double-digit leads in big games more than once.

Jimmy and the offense had sone rhythm as they passed on their way to get that second TD. But then he started running into the middle of the line even as the Rams loaded up the box. He didn't really try to call pass plays like in the early 3rd quarter until the Rams scored 10 straight points to tie it and then by then the Rams DL knew they had to pass.

Shanahan's play calling, especially with a lead, is to play not to lose. That, along with bungling so many draft picks, is why he will probably never become a championship coach.

[righterwriter]

I'm beginning to suspect that the offense with Trey won't be much different.

It was a completely different offense when Trey played. More downfield throws, more designed QB runs. And that was a conservative version of the offense, based on Trey needing to start for just one week. Having an entire offseason to practice and also build around Trey's talents is going to be massive.

What's becoming obvious is that Shanahan is pretty conservative in his play calling. It's not a coincidence that he has blown double-digit leads in big games more than once.

He just took a team that was 3-5 and pretty much dead in the water to within a few minutes of the Super Bowl. You want to rag on him for his play calling now? Interesting, particularly since he's considered an offensive genius that every OC in the league is trying to emulate, but you think he doesn't call plays well enough.

Jimmy and the offense had sone rhythm as they passed on their way to get that second TD. But then he started running into the middle of the line even as the Rams loaded up the box. He didn't really try to call pass plays like in the early 3rd quarter until the Rams scored 10 straight points to tie it and then by then the Rams DL knew they had to pass.

Ever thought that having a QB who is so limited and who has a penchant for throwing it into double coverage is why he had to play a ball control, grind down the clock type of offense? How many "should've been picked" throws did Jimmy have during the playoffs?

Shanahan's play calling, especially with a lead, is to play not to lose. That, along with bungling so many draft picks, is why he will probably never become a championship coach.

Yeah, all of his bungled draft picks:

Kittle
Fred Warner
Deebo
Aiyuk
Elijah Mitchell
Greenlaw

All draft steals who are either all-pros or excellent starters.

Then there are the UDFAs he's picked up that became starters, like Mostert, Jeff Wilson, Al Shair, Moseley, Tartt. Then there is Trent Williams and Alex Mack who specifically said they wanted to come here to play under Shanahan.

It's funny how critical you are, if you are indeed a 49ers fan, without realizing how good you've got it. Look around the league and see how many teams are better than the 49ers now and are in as good a position to win going forward.

[wco81]

Well come to the 49ers board if you want a full picture.

The fact that they were 3-5 was a travesty, horrible play calling and game management, squandered draft picks. They were swept by the Seahawks -- first half they were dominating and only could get a 10-point lead -- and being swept by the Cards, with Colt McCoy beating them soundly at Levis.

Fans are livid about Aaron Banks and Trey Sermon not contributing at all as 2nd and 3rd round picks this year.

Go back to picks like Solomon Thomas, Ruben Foster, McGlinchey, Kinlaw.

Think about that sequence in the 4th quarter, it was second and 1, 3rd and 2 and then he punted at midfield and Rams took that drive to tie or get the lead.

The guy coaches scared. That is why the Falcons crumbled in the SB and why the 49ers blew a 10-point 4th quarter lead to the Chiefs.

He calls it like that in the regular season too, just doesn't get noticed as much.

And when Lance was playing, he was running him up the middle several times in the Cards game.

I hope things change a lot when Lance is placing but there is plenty of evidence about Shanahan's MO.

Most fans and ownership won't recognize it for a couple more seasons -- when he will screw up more draft picks -- but they're never winning a championship with this guy in charge, especially in all the player personnel decisions.

[Duke4life831]

Ya no way the 49ers pass on the chance to get Rodgers because they have Lance. When you’re knocking on the door to get to the super bowl and your biggest question mark is your QB. And you have a chance to land the MVP of the league who is a QB. You do that with no hesitation.

And if anything it buys you a couple more years to have Lance improve while learning from Rodgers.

There is just no way if they have a chance to get Rodgers they say no because of Lance.

[bwgood77]

Hard to pass on the MVP. Of course, Rogers is 38 and will probably sign a several year contract for nearly $40m/yr. So there's more to it, like the 49ers being able to afford to keep Nick Bosa and Deebo, among others.

If the Niners can make the NFC Championship with Jimmy G. and his average QB play, they should be able to be even better with Lance, and he'll only make $8.5m/yr for another three seasons. I'm pretty sure they are happy where they are.

So you feel Lance is a guarantee to make them really good and that there is no way they could keep Deebo and Bosa if they signed Rodgers? If they couldn't keep those guys I would probably pass on him, but I do think if you are knocking on the door of a SB championship you shouldn't go for a young QB and just assume he will be great.

As I said, he doesn't even have to be great, just better than Jimmy G. I don't think people understand how much Jimmy limited the 49ers offense with his lack of ability to deal with pressure, throw outside the numbers, make plays on the run, and avoid back breaking dumb decisions.

Against Lance defenses will have to cover the deep ball, cover the sidelines, and keep a spy on him in case he runs for it. He's got the whole package, he just needs to improve his touch on the ball and some mechanics in the pocket. But he's incredibly coachable and works and studies harder more than about anyone on the team. I'm not overstating it when I say that he is up at Josh Allen's level in terms of arm talent and running ability.

Give him four games to get into a real groove and I think you'll see how very good he is after that.

We will see. It's fairly rare for first year starters to do very well. People thought far moreso that Trevor Lawrence would immediately be among the best young QBs and that's far from the case, so assumptions are like...well, everyone has them. They are not always right. If he gets far it's because the NFC is watered down with no Brady and Rodgers going to the AFC.

[Cactus Jack]

You obviously didn't watch him play this year. Even with the growing pains, he opened up the offense and showed off a ton of skill.

I get the optimism. I know you we're a big proponent of him coming out of the draft as well.

But yes, he did look very green in the limited time that he did play. If he was ready, then he would have replaced Jimmy mid season.

Outside of a busted coverage in the Seattle game, he looked like a guy who was making his first start. Not really a knock on him. Since he come into the game cold off the bench without reps. But I saw a very different guy than the one that you seem to be portraying.

He could develop into a very good QB one day. But most people agree that he is a project. Not someone who will step in right away & light the world on fire.

Will he end up being worth the investment? Time will tell. But I'm not sure it was the wisest decision, when you look around the league & see what QB's will be potentially available this offseason.

[righterwriter]

Well come to the 49ers board if you want a full picture.

The fact that they were 3-5 was a travesty, horrible play calling and game management, squandered draft picks. They were swept by the Seahawks -- first half they were dominating and only could get a 10-point lead -- and being swept by the Cards, with Colt McCoy beating them soundly at Levis.

Fans are livid about Aaron Banks and Trey Sermon not contributing at all as 2nd and 3rd round picks this year.

Go back to picks like Solomon Thomas, Ruben Foster, McGlinchey, Kinlaw.

Think about that sequence in the 4th quarter, it was second and 1, 3rd and 2 and then he punted at midfield and Rams took that drive to tie or get the lead.

The guy coaches scared. That is why the Falcons crumbled in the SB and why the 49ers blew a 10-point 4th quarter lead to the Chiefs.

He calls it like that in the regular season too, just doesn't get noticed as much.

And when Lance was playing, he was running him up the middle several times in the Cards game.

I hope things change a lot when Lance is placing but there is plenty of evidence about Shanahan's MO.

Most fans and ownership won't recognize it for a couple more seasons -- when he will screw up more draft picks -- but they're never winning a championship with this guy in charge, especially in all the player personnel decisions.

That's all pretty hilarious. A Super Bowl and an NFC championship game over the last three seasons after joining the team with probably the NFL's least talented roster.

You can't make everyone happy, I suppose.

[righterwriter]

You obviously didn't watch him play this year. Even with the growing pains, he opened up the offense and showed off a ton of skill.

I get the optimism. I know you we're a big proponent of him coming out of the draft as well.

But yes, he did look very green in the limited time that he did play. If he was ready, then he would have replaced Jimmy mid season.

Outside of a busted coverage in the Seattle game, he looked like a guy who was making his first start. Not really a knock on him. Since he come into the game cold off the bench without reps. But I saw a very different guy than the one that you seem to be portraying.

He could develop into a very good QB one day. But most people agree that he is a project. Not someone who will step in right away & light the world on fire.

Will he end up being worth the investment? Time will tell. But I'm not sure it was the wisest decision, when you look around the league & see what QB's will be potentially available.

Again, that's just not an accurate assessment.

His passer rating this season was 97. He led the team to a victory in a must win game in his second start against Houston by throwing for 250 yards, 2 TDs and completing 70% of his passes.

What are you talking about with the Seattle game-- where he was inserted in the second half as an injury replacement? What about his play against the Texans? You didn't watch the videos which showed not only every play he had, but a QB coach talking about how impressed he was, did you?

Aside from the good traits and performances I've stated, I can also say what he needs to get better at- he needs to improve his footwork, needs to throw a more accurate short area pass, needs to learn when he should take off and run rather than keep looking downfield for the pass, needs to get better on timing routes. But despite that, he showed a ton, especially as a 21 year old who was playing in another QB's offense and had a ton of pressure on him.

All I'm getting from you is downside, but without any details. It's a lot like your draft analysis, quite empty and overconfident.

[Cactus Jack]

All I'm getting from you is downside, but without any details. It's a lot like your draft analysis, quite empty and overconfident.

Lol...I guess we'll see.

You're right, I wasn't a huge fan of him. Mainly because he only played essentially one year of college ball at North Dakota State. A program that has put out guys like Carson Wentz, Easton Stick, etc. You can debate Wentz all day, but I've never been a huge fan of his either.

Aside from the good traits and performances I've stated, I can also say what he needs to get better at- he needs to improve his footwork, needs to throw a more accurate short area pass, needs to learn when he should take off and run rather than keep looking downfield for the pass, needs to get better on timing routes.

All of which I'm in agreement with.

Again, that's just not an accurate assessment.

Quite the opposite.


Look...I'm not interested in a debate with you. I've expressed my opinion on the matter & let's just leave it at that.