Randle Trade Talk

[Chanel Bomber]

Sure, you can be holistic about it and say specifically what is or is not within Thibs control, but even if you discount the shortcomings of the roster I see no reason whatsoever to cut him any slack. He has been terrible this season. His in-game decisions are consistently bad and he rarely can diagram a good play coming out of a time-out. Overall, Thibs is a failure this season regardless of whether the FO failed him

I agree that Thibs has been awful this season.

Still stuck with his conventional line-ups and fixed rotations. Still married to his sacrosanct rim protection no matter the situation. Still holding IQ and Obi to a different standard than the rest of the team. Threw Randle to the wolves by leaving him on the floor in the 4th quarter of a game that was already decided shortly after the thumbs down incident - thus unnecessarily adding fuel to the fire. Shamed a respected player in Kemba by pulling him from the rotation overnight despite the lack of point guard options on the roster. The list goes on and on.

But I'm not blaming the inefficiency of the starting line-up entirely on him. I think it is mostly the byproduct of this team's roster construction, in addition to the regression of some of the players.

Let’s put it this way

If you had a better roster you could probably live with Thibs for a while longer, though it would never optimize that roster

Whatever the roster is next year, replacing Thibs with an up and coming talented coach would be ideal

I think Thibs has earned the right to coach another season, unless he has hurt his reputation around the league beyond repair or in a way that is clearly detrimental to the franchise (such as players not wanting to come to the Knicks to play under him).

Even good coaches sometimes have bad years - not that I consider Thibs a good coach overall.

I'd rather have Kenny Atkinson here, especially with the need for a rebuild getting more obvious by the day, but maybe if you trade Randle and cut down the veteran presence to a minimum (say Rose, Taj and maybe just one other veteran player) then Thibs would be forced to develop some of the youth he has at his disposal (particularly IQ and Obi).

[Clyde_Style]

I agree that Thibs has been awful this season.

Still stuck with his conventional line-ups and fixed rotations. Still married to his sacrosanct rim protection no matter the situation. Still holding IQ and Obi to a different standard than the rest of the team. Threw Randle to the wolves by leaving him on the floor in the 4th quarter of a game that was already decided shortly after the thumbs down incident - thus unnecessarily adding fuel to the fire. Shamed a respected player in Kemba by pulling him from the rotation overnight despite the lack of point guard options on the roster. The list goes on and on.

But I'm not blaming the inefficiency of the starting line-up entirely on him. I think it is mostly the byproduct of this team's roster construction, in addition to the regression of some of the players.

Let’s put it this way

If you had a better roster you could probably live with Thibs for a while longer, though it would never optimize that roster

Whatever the roster is next year, replacing Thibs with an up and coming talented coach would be ideal

I think Thibs has earned the right to coach another season, unless he has hurt his reputation around the league beyond repair or in a way that is clearly detrimental to the franchise (such as players not wanting to come to the Knicks to play under him).

Even good coaches sometimes have bad years - not that I consider Thibs a good coach overall.

I'd rather have Kenny Atkinson here, especially with the need for a rebuild getting more obvious by the day, but maybe if you trade Randle and cut down the veteran presence to a minimum (say Rose, Taj and maybe just one other veteran player) then Thibs would be forced to develop some of the youth he has at his disposal (particularly IQ and Obi).

I hope we lose 20 in a row and Thibs is gone

Wishstradamus Has Spoken

[ScienceOfLosing]

You know I'm a Thibs critic but I'll cut him some slack in this regard.

The Knicks lack talent. It's a roster full of bench players with a flat distribution of talent.

So any line-up that logs big minutes against opposing starters is bound to get killed.

Having Rose and Mitch would help in the 5 because they're our best players but even with Rose the starters hit a ceiling in the playoffs.

The Knicks just don't have enough efficient players to keep up with opposing starting units on most nights.

Nah, we not cutting him no slack, simply starting IQ in place of Kemba or Burks would give the starting 5 more balance since IQ can just function a combo guard and add spacing. The fact he went with Burks over IQ is mind blowing, if Burks is a better "PG" than IQ let him lead the 2nd unit while Rose is out.

The Knicks can have a talent issue but we can also have a coach incapable of finding lineups that play to our rosters strengths. The starting 5 does not work, there are other lineups on the team with positive net ratings that should be playing more.

I too would've started IQ - if only for his development or for the sake of experimentation - but I doubt that it would've led to a much different outcome.

I think IQ would have led to more wins over Burks. But I'm content with the tank season since Thibs is leading us there.
The development thing is what hurts. I get the kids are playing hard in practice and getting valuable experience there, but why not play them more minutes? Why not have a 10 man rotation? It isn't that crazy (and I know a lot of coaches, by looking at the box score, do run 8 and 9 man rotations.) But Thibs constantly does questionable things like pulling Obi after a block, or jam, etc. And putting in Burks instead of Obi WHEN Obi is playing great. I'm frustrated with Thibs but acknowledge he is (or was?) a great coach.

[ScienceOfLosing]

I agree that Thibs has been awful this season.

Still stuck with his conventional line-ups and fixed rotations. Still married to his sacrosanct rim protection no matter the situation. Still holding IQ and Obi to a different standard than the rest of the team. Threw Randle to the wolves by leaving him on the floor in the 4th quarter of a game that was already decided shortly after the thumbs down incident - thus unnecessarily adding fuel to the fire. Shamed a respected player in Kemba by pulling him from the rotation overnight despite the lack of point guard options on the roster. The list goes on and on.

But I'm not blaming the inefficiency of the starting line-up entirely on him. I think it is mostly the byproduct of this team's roster construction, in addition to the regression of some of the players.

Let’s put it this way

If you had a better roster you could probably live with Thibs for a while longer, though it would never optimize that roster

Whatever the roster is next year, replacing Thibs with an up and coming talented coach would be ideal

I think Thibs has earned the right to coach another season, unless he has hurt his reputation around the league beyond repair or in a way that is clearly detrimental to the franchise (such as players not wanting to come to the Knicks to play under him).

Even good coaches sometimes have bad years - not that I consider Thibs a good coach overall.

I'd rather have Kenny Atkinson here, especially with the need for a rebuild getting more obvious by the day, but maybe if you trade Randle and cut down the veteran presence to a minimum (say Rose, Taj and maybe just one other veteran player) then Thibs would be forced to develop some of the youth he has at his disposal (particularly IQ and Obi).

I think most of us see how Thibs can be a great coach at times. But it is like an abusive relationship, you see all the beauty and then he just comes off and does the equivalent of smacking you in the mouth.

Not long ago I used to think that Thibs needs a vet team but you know what he would do? He would run them into the ground. We all see him do that here when we are essentially playing for nothing. What would he be like when each game really matters? Ouch is what.

The double standard between the vets and the kids is really a tough pill to swallow. I get he wants the kids to play the right way, but what about Randle? Why not pull him when he doesn't get back on D? Why not question him in front of the players for questionable actions?

I'm reminded of how Poorly Thibs did in Minnesota and that sort of gives us solace regarding where he really might be as a coach.

(Not saying you like Thibs, I just sort of react at his name. "Thibs" is turning us into Pavlav's Dogs around here.)

I really hate to say it, but I'm open to moving on from Thibs next season if he starts next season with more boneheaded decisions like he has done here. Especially if we move on from most of the vets like we are all hoping.

[knickstape4ever]

Knicks Film School Newsletter:

Macri basically suggests more or less what many of us have been suggesting for months.....trade Randle to the Kings

He says that they won't give him away for free and that he's still an asset. Something I agree w/. he's not an albatross of a contract like some think. Macri made a good point that the Clippers traded Blake Griffin for Tobias and a 1st and Blake was on a MAX at the time

his suggested deal is Randle, Noel for Barnes, Thompson, 2022 1st (protected top 4)

if that offer is on the table, take it and run. the lotto pick would obviously be the main piece, but Barnes is solid and a better fit w/ RJ since he can play off-ball and just be a stretch 4 for us. + this would free up ~17M in cap space this offseason

[Deeeez Knicks]

Knicks Film School Newsletter:

Macri basically suggests more or less what many of us have been suggesting for months.....trade Randle to the Kings

He says that they won't give him away for free and that he's still an asset. Something I agree w/. he's not an albatross of a contract like some think. Macri made a good point that the Clippers traded Blake Griffin for Tobias and a 1st and Blake was on a MAX at the time

his suggested deal is Randle, Noel for Barnes, Thompson, 2022 1st (protected top 4)

if that offer is on the table, take it and run. the lotto pick would obviously be the main piece, but Barnes is solid and a better fit w/ RJ since he can play off-ball and just be a stretch 4 for us. + this would free up ~17M in cap space this offseason

I would def do that one.

[knickstape4ever]

Knicks Film School Newsletter:

Macri basically suggests more or less what many of us have been suggesting for months.....trade Randle to the Kings

He says that they won't give him away for free and that he's still an asset. Something I agree w/. he's not an albatross of a contract like some think. Macri made a good point that the Clippers traded Blake Griffin for Tobias and a 1st and Blake was on a MAX at the time

his suggested deal is Randle, Noel for Barnes, Thompson, 2022 1st (protected top 4)

if that offer is on the table, take it and run. the lotto pick would obviously be the main piece, but Barnes is solid and a better fit w/ RJ since he can play off-ball and just be a stretch 4 for us. + this would free up ~17M in cap space this offseason

I would def do that one.

I would drive Julius to Sacramento

[HopelessKnick]

To me Thibs lost a lot of credibility this season with his handling of the Randle situation.

If you are a coach that has made a name for himself through getting maximum effort and defense out of his players and you then have your lead guy trotting up and down the court displaying terrible body language, committing repeatedly the same stupid mistakes and turnovers, showing openly behavior detrimental to the team and little to no defense and yet no consequences seem to be coming----then you just cannot be taken seriously at this point. You made your own bed and now you have to lie in it period.

This is why I never address Thibs and his rotations per se. He is what he is---can't teach an old dog new tricks, he simply won't listen. This is why it is on Leon to force Thib's hand period. The minimum that I'm asking and demanding here is getting rid out of 2 of the 3 (or 4) of Kemba, Fournier, Burks, Randle. That's the minimum he needs to accomplish in the next 10 days. If he doesn't and we have to continue watching this **** show with the veterans playing the majority of the minutes then I personally will have lost a lot of respect for Leon and question his ability.

Even if you are of the opinion that Randle and Fournier are tough to move due to their contractual situation, you can easily trade Burks and buyout Kemba. That'd be the bare minimum. If, after trading a first round pick for Reddish he is unable to create sufficient room for him to play (meaning forcing Thib's hand) I'll lose a lot of respect for Leon. If he can get rid of Burks, Kemba and Fournier then Thibs has no choice but to play a combination of:

Rose + Deuce, Grimes, Barrett, Reddish, IQ---which is completely fine with me. Even if he is silly enough to play Rose 30 minutes a game, there'll still be 114 minutes for the other 5 players. I'm fine with that.

[thebuzzardman]

Changes to the starting line-up won't make any difference. This roster is full of bench players - you can move the pieces around but you'll end up with the same outcome. What we need is a massive roster overhaul - and that decision lays at the feet of the FO.

All of our starters besides Mitch are mediocre to awful in their roles. RJ, Randle, Fournier, Kemba, none of these guys is starter material on a good team. So you can swap two of them with other bench pieces, you still end up with a bench-quality line-up.

Although I'd be curious to see how Rose-IQ would fare as starters once Rose comes back, seeing how much synergy these guys have. But we both know this isn't happening, and it likely wouldn't make much of a difference overall.

I've wanted Randle gone since last summer, but this team is probably worse without him, because our shooters still eat off his gravity and playmaking, when he actually decides to pass. We just need to be mentally ready for that in case they do trade Randle (which would obviously be the right move). Our other players will get exposed without him being the center of the criticism, although Obi/Cam would hopefully see more PT.

If they are going to play around the same, then play the youth and let them get experience.

I disagree lineup changes wouldn't help.

Is the team suddenly some strong contender? No.
But some lineups make more sense than others, and the tweaks aren't massive.

But hey, lineups don't matter, so Knicks should start Noel, Mitch, Taj and Sims. Randle can play PG.

I agree it's pointless to play so many vets if the season is lost.

Just don't expect the team to get better results was my point.

The talent distribution is flat after Rose and to a lesser extent Mitch and Randle.

There's no RJ unleashed, or Tracy McReddish.

But I'm all for clearing minutes for Cam, and giving IQ and Grimes more playing time.

I have a number of posts where I say "Let Grimes play but I know he's not better than Fournier - other than the obvious defense".
Or that if Burks is moved, the team will probably get worse, since neither IQ or Cam are better.
Or Sims has issues where he gets lost - Rhodey pointed out - but I'd rather see him over the occasional Noel.
And so on.

I think the Knicks record would be similar, but worse.

[HopelessKnick]

Knicks Film School Newsletter:

Macri basically suggests more or less what many of us have been suggesting for months.....trade Randle to the Kings

He says that they won't give him away for free and that he's still an asset. Something I agree w/. he's not an albatross of a contract like some think. Macri made a good point that the Clippers traded Blake Griffin for Tobias and a 1st and Blake was on a MAX at the time

his suggested deal is Randle, Noel for Barnes, Thompson, 2022 1st (protected top 4)

if that offer is on the table, take it and run. the lotto pick would obviously be the main piece, but Barnes is solid and a better fit w/ RJ since he can play off-ball and just be a stretch 4 for us. + this would free up ~17M in cap space this offseason

I would def do that one.

I would drive Julius to Sacramento

That deal is a no-brainer for the Knicks but I highly doubt the Kings pulling the trigger. With how things are going in Sacramento that pick could easily end up at 5,6 or 7. I don't think any FO would survive the backlash of having to explain to their fanbase a trade where they got Randle for a top 8 pick. Randle has played too poorly to justify that. I think with top 10 protection it may be possible, but not with top 4 protection.

I personally would also prefer getting Bagley back instead of Barnes. I like Barnes as a player but Thibs would play him 38 minutes at the SF, virtually ending any chance of Reddish seeing daylight (and I'm not a huge Reddish fan but still). Get Bagley back and waive Thompson. That way Thibs can choose between playing Obi or Bagley. Tristan again would be playing 35minutes a game leaving Obi in the same place (and I'm not high on Obi either) but it is more a thing of principle. Also a line-up of Rose, Barrett, Barnes, Thompson, Mitch is in my opinion too good not to get a fluke-late-season-5-game-winning-streak going and putting our pick at 12 or 13 instead of 8-10 range. If Randle is going to Sacramento I want Bagley back along with Tristan. Or a 3 way trade where we send Barnes somewhere for a late FRP. Players like Barnes and Thompson are exactly the type of players that keep you stuck in the 30-37 win range, really the worst place to be in the NBA.

[Iron Mantis]

According to berman………………………..

“According to an NBA source, Knicks coach Tom Thibodeau has admitted to associates he’s had more trouble getting Randle to play with a selflessness this season than during last season.

Some in the organization believe Randle’s signing the $117 million contract extension has made him feel he’s got to do more scoring to live up to the pact.”

Interesting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Randle can live up to his contract by making the players around him better.


Screw the inefficient scoring.

[Dave DaButcher]

Knicks Film School Newsletter:

Macri basically suggests more or less what many of us have been suggesting for months.....trade Randle to the Kings

He says that they won't give him away for free and that he's still an asset. Something I agree w/. he's not an albatross of a contract like some think. Macri made a good point that the Clippers traded Blake Griffin for Tobias and a 1st and Blake was on a MAX at the time

his suggested deal is Randle, Noel for Barnes, Thompson, 2022 1st (protected top 4)

if that offer is on the table, take it and run. the lotto pick would obviously be the main piece, but Barnes is solid and a better fit w/ RJ since he can play off-ball and just be a stretch 4 for us. + this would free up ~17M in cap space this offseason

Agreed. Also, let’s find a way to get Brunson here in a manner that enables Dallas to replace him with Dragic, and try to get some value for the vets blocking Grimes and Cam.

[Chanel Bomber]

If they are going to play around the same, then play the youth and let them get experience.

I disagree lineup changes wouldn't help.

Is the team suddenly some strong contender? No.
But some lineups make more sense than others, and the tweaks aren't massive.

But hey, lineups don't matter, so Knicks should start Noel, Mitch, Taj and Sims. Randle can play PG.

I agree it's pointless to play so many vets if the season is lost.

Just don't expect the team to get better results was my point.

The talent distribution is flat after Rose and to a lesser extent Mitch and Randle.

There's no RJ unleashed, or Tracy McReddish.

But I'm all for clearing minutes for Cam, and giving IQ and Grimes more playing time.

I have a number of posts where I say "Let Grimes play but I know he's not better than Fournier - other than the obvious defense".
Or that if Burks is moved, the team will probably get worse, since neither IQ or Cam are better.
Or Sims has issues where he gets lost - Rhodey pointed out - but I'd rather see him over the occasional Noel.
And so on.

I think the Knicks record would be similar, but worse.

Then we agree.

[knickstape4ever]

I would def do that one.

I would drive Julius to Sacramento

That deal is a no-brainer for the Knicks but I highly doubt the Kings pulling the trigger. With how things are going in Sacramento that pick could easily end up at 5,6 or 7. I don't think any FO would survive the backlash of having to explain to their fanbase a trade where they got Randle for a top 8 pick. Randle has played too poorly to justify that. I think with top 10 protection it may be possible, but not with top 4 protection.

I personally would also prefer getting Bagley back instead of Barnes. I like Barnes as a player but Thibs would play him 38 minutes at the SF, virtually ending any chance of Reddish seeing daylight (and I'm not a huge Reddish fan but still). Get Bagley back and waive Thompson. That way Thibs can choose between playing Obi or Bagley. Tristan again would be playing 35minutes a game leaving Obi in the same place (and I'm not high on Obi either) but it is more a thing of principle. Also a line-up of Rose, Barrett, Barnes, Thompson, Mitch is in my opinion too good not to get a fluke-late-season-5-game-winning-streak going and putting our pick at 12 or 13 instead of 8-10 range. If Randle is going to Sacramento I want Bagley back along with Tristan. Or a 3 way trade where we send Barnes somewhere for a late FRP. Players like Barnes and Thompson are exactly the type of players that keep you stuck in the 30-37 win range, really the worst place to be in the NBA.

I think it's fair if the pick is protected. Magic got #8 + a 2024 1st and Wendell Carter for Vuc

realistically the 7th, 8th overall pick is not as likely to pan out vs. a more proven player like Randle

I'd also want Bagley over Barnes. baseketball-wise, Barnes is the better fit, but Bagley is expiring so we'd have more cap space this summer

[knickstape4ever]

Knicks Film School Newsletter:

Macri basically suggests more or less what many of us have been suggesting for months.....trade Randle to the Kings

He says that they won't give him away for free and that he's still an asset. Something I agree w/. he's not an albatross of a contract like some think. Macri made a good point that the Clippers traded Blake Griffin for Tobias and a 1st and Blake was on a MAX at the time

his suggested deal is Randle, Noel for Barnes, Thompson, 2022 1st (protected top 4)

if that offer is on the table, take it and run. the lotto pick would obviously be the main piece, but Barnes is solid and a better fit w/ RJ since he can play off-ball and just be a stretch 4 for us. + this would free up ~17M in cap space this offseason

Agreed. Also, let’s find a way to get Brunson here in a manner that enables Dallas to replace him with Dragic, and try to get some value for the vets blocking Grimes and Cam.

I'd take Brunson, but I prefer Simons

[HopelessKnick]

I would drive Julius to Sacramento

That deal is a no-brainer for the Knicks but I highly doubt the Kings pulling the trigger. With how things are going in Sacramento that pick could easily end up at 5,6 or 7. I don't think any FO would survive the backlash of having to explain to their fanbase a trade where they got Randle for a top 8 pick. Randle has played too poorly to justify that. I think with top 10 protection it may be possible, but not with top 4 protection.

I personally would also prefer getting Bagley back instead of Barnes. I like Barnes as a player but Thibs would play him 38 minutes at the SF, virtually ending any chance of Reddish seeing daylight (and I'm not a huge Reddish fan but still). Get Bagley back and waive Thompson. That way Thibs can choose between playing Obi or Bagley. Tristan again would be playing 35minutes a game leaving Obi in the same place (and I'm not high on Obi either) but it is more a thing of principle. Also a line-up of Rose, Barrett, Barnes, Thompson, Mitch is in my opinion too good not to get a fluke-late-season-5-game-winning-streak going and putting our pick at 12 or 13 instead of 8-10 range. If Randle is going to Sacramento I want Bagley back along with Tristan. Or a 3 way trade where we send Barnes somewhere for a late FRP. Players like Barnes and Thompson are exactly the type of players that keep you stuck in the 30-37 win range, really the worst place to be in the NBA.

I think it's fair if the pick is protected. Magic got #8 + a 2024 1st and Wendell Carter for Vuc

realistically the 7th, 8th overall pick is not as likely to pan out vs. a more proven player like Randle

I'd also want Bagley over Barnes. baseketball-wise, Barnes is the better fit, but Bagley is expiring so we'd have more cap space this summer

But Vucevic at that time was an all-star and was putting up pretty efficient numbers for many years in a row. I don't think Randle is viewed anywhere close to that. But I'm also not 100% sure----it could be that Sacto views the addition of Randle as good enough to give up a pick who knows. But considering what record they have right now and that they're likely gonna end up in the lottery anyways I doubt they'd give up the pick right now (maybe at top 8 protection).

[knickstape4ever]

That deal is a no-brainer for the Knicks but I highly doubt the Kings pulling the trigger. With how things are going in Sacramento that pick could easily end up at 5,6 or 7. I don't think any FO would survive the backlash of having to explain to their fanbase a trade where they got Randle for a top 8 pick. Randle has played too poorly to justify that. I think with top 10 protection it may be possible, but not with top 4 protection.

I personally would also prefer getting Bagley back instead of Barnes. I like Barnes as a player but Thibs would play him 38 minutes at the SF, virtually ending any chance of Reddish seeing daylight (and I'm not a huge Reddish fan but still). Get Bagley back and waive Thompson. That way Thibs can choose between playing Obi or Bagley. Tristan again would be playing 35minutes a game leaving Obi in the same place (and I'm not high on Obi either) but it is more a thing of principle. Also a line-up of Rose, Barrett, Barnes, Thompson, Mitch is in my opinion too good not to get a fluke-late-season-5-game-winning-streak going and putting our pick at 12 or 13 instead of 8-10 range. If Randle is going to Sacramento I want Bagley back along with Tristan. Or a 3 way trade where we send Barnes somewhere for a late FRP. Players like Barnes and Thompson are exactly the type of players that keep you stuck in the 30-37 win range, really the worst place to be in the NBA.

I think it's fair if the pick is protected. Magic got #8 + a 2024 1st and Wendell Carter for Vuc

realistically the 7th, 8th overall pick is not as likely to pan out vs. a more proven player like Randle

I'd also want Bagley over Barnes. baseketball-wise, Barnes is the better fit, but Bagley is expiring so we'd have more cap space this summer

But Vucevic at that time was an all-star and was putting up pretty efficient numbers for many years in a row. I don't think Randle is viewed anywhere close to that. But I'm also not 100% sure----it could be that Sacto views the addition of Randle as good enough to give up a pick who knows. But considering what record they have right now and that they're likely gonna end up in the lottery anyways I doubt they'd give up the pick right now (maybe at top 8 protection).

yeah, Vuc was playing great, but was also at 30 and fetched more in return. Randle is 27 and this deal would be betting that he can play close to what he was last yr

Macri used the Blake Griffin deal as an example too. he netted a lottery pick despite being riddled w/ injuries

[HopelessKnick]

I think it's fair if the pick is protected. Magic got #8 + a 2024 1st and Wendell Carter for Vuc

realistically the 7th, 8th overall pick is not as likely to pan out vs. a more proven player like Randle

I'd also want Bagley over Barnes. baseketball-wise, Barnes is the better fit, but Bagley is expiring so we'd have more cap space this summer

But Vucevic at that time was an all-star and was putting up pretty efficient numbers for many years in a row. I don't think Randle is viewed anywhere close to that. But I'm also not 100% sure----it could be that Sacto views the addition of Randle as good enough to give up a pick who knows. But considering what record they have right now and that they're likely gonna end up in the lottery anyways I doubt they'd give up the pick right now (maybe at top 8 protection).

yeah, Vuc was playing great, but was also at 30 and fetched more in return. Randle is 27 and this deal would be betting that he can play close to what he was last yr

Macri used the Blake Griffin deal as an example too. he netted a lottery pick despite being riddled w/ injuries

I hope you are right. I'd be ecstatic if we could net a top 10 pick for Randle. That along with our own pick possibly being late top 10 and we'd instantly be in a position to either improve on our young player assets a lot, or put a great great offer together for the annual disgruntled all-star that will be available at draft night. To me this is too good to be true but I hope you are right.

[WargamesX]

Knicks Film School Newsletter:

Macri basically suggests more or less what many of us have been suggesting for months.....trade Randle to the Kings

He says that they won't give him away for free and that he's still an asset. Something I agree w/. he's not an albatross of a contract like some think. Macri made a good point that the Clippers traded Blake Griffin for Tobias and a 1st and Blake was on a MAX at the time

his suggested deal is Randle, Noel for Barnes, Thompson, 2022 1st (protected top 4)

if that offer is on the table, take it and run. the lotto pick would obviously be the main piece, but Barnes is solid and a better fit w/ RJ since he can play off-ball and just be a stretch 4 for us. + this would free up ~17M in cap space this offseason

I would def do that one.

Take the protection on the pick off and it’s fair. Barnes becomes another trade asset next year too. Putting a top 4 protection on a pick at #5 is bad foresight. The pick should be unprotected.

[Gorilla Monsoon]

Knicks Film School Newsletter:

Macri basically suggests more or less what many of us have been suggesting for months.....trade Randle to the Kings

He says that they won't give him away for free and that he's still an asset. Something I agree w/. he's not an albatross of a contract like some think. Macri made a good point that the Clippers traded Blake Griffin for Tobias and a 1st and Blake was on a MAX at the time

his suggested deal is Randle, Noel for Barnes, Thompson, 2022 1st (protected top 4)

if that offer is on the table, take it and run. the lotto pick would obviously be the main piece, but Barnes is solid and a better fit w/ RJ since he can play off-ball and just be a stretch 4 for us. + this would free up ~17M in cap space this offseason

I would def do that one.

Take the protection on the pick off and it’s fair. Barnes becomes another trade asset next year too. Putting a top 4 protection on a pick at #5 is bad foresight. The pick should be unprotected.

I highly doubt the Kings would include an unprotected pick for Randle, but I'd love to be surprised. I'm just happy to get out of his contract, and would prefer to attach Fournier to the deal as well. Any draft considerations would be icing on the cake.