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[Profound23]

My buddy won $100k on FanDuel off of Stafford's kneel at the end.

I bought a bunch of Joe Burrow rookie cards PSA 9 and PSA 10 in the offseason and even more during the season because prices just would not go up and I knew eventually they would.

Just sold half of them and already got more than my money back. So basically I now have 10 Joe Burrow PSA 10 rookie cards for free. If he wins the Superbowl maybe I sell a few more if the price is right, but I am set. If he stays healthy, Burrow has a chance to be SPECIAL........and Mahomes we all know will take over for Brady once he retires. 4 AFC title games in his first four years as a starter, 2 superbowl appearances, and 1 SB win?

Sold a few Burrow's and used the profits to buy a couple of Mahomes cards which literally cut in half after the loss. People are so fickle, but I will reap all the long-term profits.

How much a 10 Joe Burrow PSA 10 costs?

Depends on which one.

-I have a triple patch RPA auto which is 9/22 (only 22 of them in existence, only 3 of them are graded) gold standard. (Because 9 is his jersey number it is worth even more) graded at a 9. That could sell for 10k right now, but the Mahomes one that is similar just sold for 150k and the Brady one sold for 2.2 mil so I am not sure if I am comfortable going that low.

-A regular Donruss Rated Rookie rated 10 is going for between 400-600 (I have 6)

-An Optic Rated Rookie rated 10 is going for between 800-1200 (I sold all but 1)

-A Mosaic Silver is going for 500 (I sold all but 1)

There are others that are cheaper and others that are more expensive depending on the population of the card, card company, and what type of a refractor it is (gold, silver, red, green...etc)

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[th87]

So the Packers offered $1.025 mil and he signed with the Rams for $1.25 mil. It also says he wouldn't have taken the same offer from Green Bay so the Packers would have had to pay more. Curious how much more it would have taken because the Packers really didn't have much money to spend.

I read the Packers were upfront with OBJ and told him how they planned to use him. I believe that involved Rodgers also talking to him.

Heard the Rams offered a bunch of "not likely to be earned" incentives to get around the cap, which I understand were available to the Packers too.

Post game interview with him, he said he envisioned himself in the Super Bowl this year, but wasn't sure which team it would be with, which to me reads as a subtle "in your face" - otherwise he wouldn't have brought it up.

We have to close on these moves. Maybe OBJ results in Adams being more open against SF, and Rodgers engineering one more drive. Maybe AB last year prevents a throw to ESB on a two point conversion which bounced off his hands. Maybe trading for Marshawn Lynch for the pick that turned out to Alex Green was the right move...and so on.

So OBJ just wanted the contract to look big in appearance? I wonder how much more the Packers would have had to pay over the Rams offer. I get people complaining about the Packers not going all in most years, but it seems like they tried to this season.

Weren't AB and Brady best buds? Did the Packers have a chance at him? The Lynch, Gonzalez, Moss are some that stick out to me. Didn't Ted think he had a trade made for Gonzalez only to have the other team back out last minute.

There are of course limits to what we know, but based on Adams and other smoke at the time, it seemed like he really wanted to be here. And if you could convince him that the Packers were better than the Rams, and Rodgers owned Stafford and the Rams (not a hard case to make at the time), and that he'd be a huge piece of the puzzle so that everyone eats, I don't see why he would choose to accelerate living in LA by like 2-3 months with a SB at stake.

With the Packers having a strong history of failed negotiations of this type, it seems they're not great salespeople.

Yeah the Gonzalez trade I don't hold against TT. The KC GM upped his price after a deal had already been agreed to. But the Moss one was ridiculous. He went to sleep early the night before, while the Patriots upped the offer overnight. As a world-class organization, shouldn't there be backstops to prevent early bedtimes sinking deals? So amateurish.

[Profound23]

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Man, Lebron tweeted out for OBJ to come to LA from day 1. Lebron and OBJ are buddies. Anyone that thinks OBJ didn't want to go to LA over GB is smoking something and needs to share.

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Official Packers mouthpiece and management apologist weighs in...

We were all tuned in as it was happening. Lot of rationalizations after the fact.

[Profound23]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bettor-wins-579k-on-20-bet-by-correctly-predicting-final-scores-of-both-nfl-conference-championship-games/

They bet $20 and literally guessed the correct scores of both games to win over half a million.

Wow

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Man, Lebron tweeted out for OBJ to come to LA from day 1. Lebron and OBJ are buddies. Anyone that thinks OBJ didn't want to go to LA over GB is smoking something and needs to share.

What is the difference between moving to LA in November versus moving to LA in February?

Especially if you can convince him that the Packers are his best shot at winning a SB.

And what does Lebron have to do with this? They're going to each others' houses to play video games while their respective seasons are ongoing?

[Ron Swanson]

Oh yeah, I'm sure Allen Lazard's name not being "Odell Beckham" was the reason Rodgers chose not to throw to him when he was wide the **** open.

[th87]

Oh yeah, I'm sure Allen Lazard's name not being "Odell Beckham" was the reason Rodgers chose not to throw to him when he was wide the **** open.

Not excusing Rodgers - he's the number 1 culprit in the loss. But maybe OBJ gets more open than Lazard throughout the game so it doesn't come down to that last pass? Maybe it makes Lazard even more open throughout the game since he'd then be covered by someone lower on the depth chart?

Your gotcha scenario probably never happens and is a lazy argument.

[Profound23]

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Man, Lebron tweeted out for OBJ to come to LA from day 1. Lebron and OBJ are buddies. Anyone that thinks OBJ didn't want to go to LA over GB is smoking something and needs to share.

What is the difference between moving to LA in November versus moving to LA in February?

Especially if you can convince him that the Packers are his best shot at winning a SB.

And what does Lebron have to do with this? They're going to each others' houses to play video games while their respective seasons are ongoing?

Lebron was posting on Twitter for months "release this man" to the Browns because they had it working in the background to both be in LA. Yes, I am sure they are hanging out while the season is ongoing....in the club, at each other's house, etc. And playing in the warmth of LA vs the cold of GB...many players have stated that was their reason for not signing in GB. Deion Sanders said before signing with Dallas he considered us but said it was too cold. He wasn't coming here.....and I don't think it mattered much because Rodgers still would have forced the ball to Adams as usual.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Only Odell knows if he really considered the Pack... Trying to rationalize how he made that decision feels like a fools errand. Guys pick there spots for all sorts of reasons some rational some not.

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[th87]

Man, Lebron tweeted out for OBJ to come to LA from day 1. Lebron and OBJ are buddies. Anyone that thinks OBJ didn't want to go to LA over GB is smoking something and needs to share.

What is the difference between moving to LA in November versus moving to LA in February?

Especially if you can convince him that the Packers are his best shot at winning a SB.

And what does Lebron have to do with this? They're going to each others' houses to play video games while their respective seasons are ongoing?

Lebron was posting on Twitter for months "release this man" to the Browns because they had it working in the background to both be in LA. Yes, I am sure they are hanging out while the season is ongoing....in the club, at each other's house. And playing in the warmth of LA vs the cold of GB...many players have stated that was their reason for not signing in GB. Deion Sanders said before signing with Dallas he considered us but said it was too cold. He wasn't coming here.....and I don't think it mattered much because Rodgers still would have forced the ball to Adams as usual.

This is sour grapes and never became a thing until he actually chose LA. Before this, it was how excited he was to play with his best friend Adams, how it was just about a done deal, and how much he wanted a Super Bowl. Lots of smoke and rumors on that end (of the same quality that Bukowski is now relying on).

*After this*, LA swooped in as a suitor and closed the sale. Probably because they fed his ego, and we tried to play it cool (which seems to happen to us all the time).

Gute needed to close. Get Rodgers out there. Call up Bill Clinton. Whatever it takes. Sell him on how the Packers are better than anybody (including the Rams), period. He'd only need to tough out the cold until February, after which he could go have all the sleepovers at Lebron's house he wants. For his sacrifice, he gets a SB he would not get with anyone else. He wouldn't say no to that.

[MickeyDavis]

Let's face it none of us knows what went down with OBJ, lots of speculation and conclusions, which is fine, that's what boards like this are for. Personally I don't think he was ever coming here. I'm as right, or wrong, as anyone else

[Reddeye]

What is the difference between moving to LA in November versus moving to LA in February?

Especially if you can convince him that the Packers are his best shot at winning a SB.

And what does Lebron have to do with this? They're going to each others' houses to play video games while their respective seasons are ongoing?

Lebron was posting on Twitter for months "release this man" to the Browns because they had it working in the background to both be in LA. Yes, I am sure they are hanging out while the season is ongoing....in the club, at each other's house. And playing in the warmth of LA vs the cold of GB...many players have stated that was their reason for not signing in GB. Deion Sanders said before signing with Dallas he considered us but said it was too cold. He wasn't coming here.....and I don't think it mattered much because Rodgers still would have forced the ball to Adams as usual.

This is sour grapes and never became a thing until he actually chose LA. Before this, it was how excited he was to play with his best friend Adams, how it was just about a done deal, and how much he wanted a Super Bowl. Lots of smoke and rumors on that end (of the same quality that Bukowski is now relying on).

*After this*, LA swooped in as a suitor and closed the sale. Probably because they fed his ego, and we tried to play it cool (which seems to happen to us all the time).

Gute needed to close. Get Rodgers out there. Call up Bill Clinton. Whatever it takes. Sell him on how the Packers are better than anybody (including the Rams), period. He'd only need to tough out the cold until February, after which he could go have all the sleepovers at Lebron's house he wants. For his sacrifice, he gets a SB he would not get with anyone else. He wouldn't say no to that.

Rodgers did talk to OBJ.

In his regularly scheduled guest appearance on The Pat McAfee Show, Rodgers went into detail about the conversation he'd had with Odell Beckham Jr. regarding the possibility of the wide receiver coming to Green Bay to play for the Packers:

"We've been friends for a long time, kept in touch and met at some events and just, you know, sent encouraging messages. During the seasons, over the years. When he became free, there was definitely conversations and I had the conversations with him directly."

"There were conversations with the organization as well. And I appreciated the fact that we were in the mix, it just comes down to fit, ultimately. And then, what the best fit is for him. And we had some real good honest conversations and I'm excited for him."

[M-C-G]

Lebron was posting on Twitter for months "release this man" to the Browns because they had it working in the background to both be in LA. Yes, I am sure they are hanging out while the season is ongoing....in the club, at each other's house. And playing in the warmth of LA vs the cold of GB...many players have stated that was their reason for not signing in GB. Deion Sanders said before signing with Dallas he considered us but said it was too cold. He wasn't coming here.....and I don't think it mattered much because Rodgers still would have forced the ball to Adams as usual.

This is sour grapes and never became a thing until he actually chose LA. Before this, it was how excited he was to play with his best friend Adams, how it was just about a done deal, and how much he wanted a Super Bowl. Lots of smoke and rumors on that end (of the same quality that Bukowski is now relying on).

*After this*, LA swooped in as a suitor and closed the sale. Probably because they fed his ego, and we tried to play it cool (which seems to happen to us all the time).

Gute needed to close. Get Rodgers out there. Call up Bill Clinton. Whatever it takes. Sell him on how the Packers are better than anybody (including the Rams), period. He'd only need to tough out the cold until February, after which he could go have all the sleepovers at Lebron's house he wants. For his sacrifice, he gets a SB he would not get with anyone else. He wouldn't say no to that.

Rodgers did talk to OBJ.

In his regularly scheduled guest appearance on The Pat McAfee Show, Rodgers went into detail about the conversation he'd had with Odell Beckham Jr. regarding the possibility of the wide receiver coming to Green Bay to play for the Packers:

"We've been friends for a long time, kept in touch and met at some events and just, you know, sent encouraging messages. During the seasons, over the years. When he became free, there was definitely conversations and I had the conversations with him directly."

"There were conversations with the organization as well. And I appreciated the fact that we were in the mix, it just comes down to fit, ultimately. And then, what the best fit is for him. And we had some real good honest conversations and I'm excited for him."

Having John Hammond take him out to dinner would have closed for sure, fire Gute!

I think OBJ would have come here if the Rams didn't show enough interest. But I think Rams are where he wanted to go all along.

[CWoodfan]

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Official Packers mouthpiece and management apologist weighs in...

We were all tuned in as it was happening. Lot of rationalizations after the fact.

Yep.

Bukowski has officially overtaken Nagler to become the official apologist when it comes to any criticism leveled at Packers' management.

There is not a move made or not made that cannot be explained away or excuse made for. Looking forward to Pet telling us all what great coach Mo Drayton is and how Special Teams in Green Bay is just fine overall.

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Official Packers mouthpiece and management apologist weighs in...

We were all tuned in as it was happening. Lot of rationalizations after the fact.

Yep.

Bukowski has officially overtaken Nagler to become the official apologist when it comes to any criticism leveled at Packers' management.

There is not a move made or not made that cannot be explained away or excuse ig a great coach like Mo Drayton and how Special Teams in Green Bay is just fine overall.

That may be true, but is the tweet I quoted above a lie?

[RiotPunch]

My buddy won $100k on FanDuel off of Stafford's kneel at the end.

What was the bet?

It was the big conference championships FanDuel tournament. He had been in 1st place ($225k), but his QB was Mahomes and some Stafford lineups surpassed him on that final Rams drive, bumping him to like 5th. After the pick, that kneel by Stafford counted as a loss of yardage and vaulted him back up to 2nd ($100k) as time expired.

Pretty crazy night.

[rilamann]

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Official Packers mouthpiece and management apologist weighs in...

We were all tuned in as it was happening. Lot of rationalizations after the fact.

Yeah, not sure who he thinks he is fooling with that tweet....lol.

[th87]

My buddy won $100k on FanDuel off of Stafford's kneel at the end.

What was the bet?

It was the big conference championships FanDuel tournament. He had been in 1st place ($225k), but his QB was Mahomes and some Stafford lineups surpassed him on that final Rams drive, bumping him to like 5th. After the pick, that kneel by Stafford counted as a loss of yardage and vaulted him back up to 2nd ($100k) as time expired.

Pretty crazy night.

Amazing, congrats to your friend (and hopefully free drinks for you)! I managed to profit pretty well from my sadness of the Packers losing and bet on the Bengals comeback, but nothing like this.