Jalyen Brown vs Pascal Siakam

[robbie84]

If Celtics want to acquire Siakam what would be their trade offer? Brown + FRP + Filler?

Who the hell do you think you kidnapped, Chelsea Clinton?


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what is your deal then? remember in any such deal Siakam is the best player so Brown cannot be traded alone for Siakam. You will have to cough up more.

Their isn't a single GM in the NBA that would trade Brown or Tatum for anyone on the raptors roster.
Van fleet's having an amazing year but his age and size mean Brown is far more valuable in the long term. Anyway, you're trolling at this point.

[ballup]

If Celtics want to acquire Siakam what would be their trade offer? Brown + FRP + Filler?

Who the hell do you think you kidnapped, Chelsea Clinton?


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what is your deal then? remember in any such deal Siakam is the best player so Brown cannot be traded alone for Siakam. You will have to cough up more.

I wouldn't trade Brown for a worse player. And if these two were traded for one another, a FRP is absolutely off the table unless someone is taking an additional year of dead money.

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[srhcan]

what is your deal then? remember in any such deal Siakam is the best player so Brown cannot be traded alone for Siakam. You will have to cough up more.

Their isn't a single GM in the NBA that would trade Brown or Tatum for anyone on the raptors roster.
Van fleet's having an amazing year but his age and size mean Brown is far more valuable in the long term. Anyway, you're trolling at this point.

what is your deal then? remember in any such deal Siakam is the best player so Brown cannot be traded alone for Siakam. You will have to cough up more.

I wouldn't trade Brown for a worse player. And if these two were traded for one another, a FRP is absolutely off the table unless someone is taking an additional year of dead money.

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LOL So you guys dont believe in stats and advanced stats. Good to know.

[ballup]

what is your deal then? remember in any such deal Siakam is the best player so Brown cannot be traded alone for Siakam. You will have to cough up more.

Their isn't a single GM in the NBA that would trade Brown or Tatum for anyone on the raptors roster.
Van fleet's having an amazing year but his age and size mean Brown is far more valuable in the long term. Anyway, you're trolling at this point.

what is your deal then? remember in any such deal Siakam is the best player so Brown cannot be traded alone for Siakam. You will have to cough up more.

I wouldn't trade Brown for a worse player. And if these two were traded for one another, a FRP is absolutely off the table unless someone is taking an additional year of dead money.

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LOL So you guys dont believe in stats and advanced stats. Good to know.

Most advanced stats are calculations based on correlation rather than actual measurements. But that's a topic for another day.

We all have seen Siakam have playoff troubles in multiple series. Man is not good at creating a shot. Jaylen has developed much more offensive tools, especially in the two seasons when these two teams have squared off, to not be the liability Siakam has been. The Raptors offense stagnated, and still does, against tighter defenses. It's why Kawhi was essential to their championship.

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[Blaze4G]

1. No dude, YOU were the one who brought up Brown getting covid and missing games.

2. We would kill to have Horford or Robert Williams on our team right now.

3. That's kind of the point, Siakam is almost playing as well as Tatum, he's definitely a better player than Brown this season.

4. It should give you an idea of how bad our bench has been that we'd consider Pritchard and Langford an upgrade.

5. Dragic hasn't even played, he's been that bad.

6. How very optimistic of you. I had the Celtics as top 6 and the Raptors in the play-in. Then again no one saw the Cavs being this good.

1. Whoops it was other person that brought up Siakam missing games which is why I brought up Brown missing games in our discussion. Last season he had 1 motnh he average 26 and another month he averaged 27 points shooting 52% and 50% respectively. I for sure wouldn't say he is one of leagues best scorer but he has shown the ability to do it extremely efficiently.

2. To be honest, I havent been able to watch any NBA games lately, but from what I have heard, Al hasnt been good recently. Shooting 42%, 27% from 3, avg 7 points...I would take whatever barnes is doing over that. Rob Williams on the other hand is great.

3. Maybe I miscommunicated but I don't necessarily disagree that Siakam is playing better now but I think the margin is small and would rather Brown due to being younger and I think higher upside. Past month Brown is averaging 25.5 points on good efficiency, so its not like he isnt playing well...celtics went 8-5 in those games too....so not empty stats.

4. haha although I would disagree about it being an upgrade, I can see your point...raps bench is awful. I honestly think raps can make a run this yr (2nd round possible ecf although a long shot) with some bench additions.

5. I noticed, but he can't be worse than whoever else plays.

6. Severely disappointed with my team thus far....and I feel vindicated for my raps pick. When I said it on the podcast every single member laughed at me. Yep, cavs has been surprising...especially after sexton went down and they kept winning.

You're right, Brown is younger and he's a better scorer, so he's always going to have more upside than Siakam. I just think Siakam is having a better year thus far. Siakam might be making more of an impact on winning this season with his improved playmaking, but I imagine Brown's value is still higher and he would fetch more in a trade.

100% agreed.

[Feed Your Head]

Advanced stats are just part of the equation, I always feel like they help bridge the gap between raw stats, and the eye test. Siakam is definitely better with advanced stats, though it’s a bit closer this year. Just comes down to what you need on your team, I’d rather Jaylen as a second or third scorer, but Siakam would fit on any team in the league. His skill set is really unique, I just don’t love him against top defenses.

[pingpongrac]

Their isn't a single GM in the NBA that would trade Brown or Tatum for anyone on the raptors roster.
Van fleet's having an amazing year but his age and size mean Brown is far more valuable in the long term. Anyway, you're trolling at this point.

I wouldn't trade Brown for a worse player. And if these two were traded for one another, a FRP is absolutely off the table unless someone is taking an additional year of dead money.

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LOL So you guys dont believe in stats and advanced stats. Good to know.

Most advanced stats are calculations based on correlation rather than actual measurements. But that's a topic for another day.

We all have seen Siakam have playoff troubles in multiple series. Man is not good at creating a shot. Jaylen has developed much more offensive tools, especially in the two seasons when these two teams have squared off, to not be the liability Siakam has been. The Raptors offense stagnated, and still does, against tighter defenses. It's why Kawhi was essential to their championship.

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ORL: 23/8/3 on 53/36/90 splits
PHI: 19/6/2 on 44/27/76 splits
MIL: 15/7/2 on 40/25/67 splits
GSW: 20/8/4 on 51/24/76 splits
BKN: 21/8/5 on 42/29/71 splits
BOS: 15/7/3 on 38/13/73 splits

So really Siakam had one awful series against the Celtics and one tough series against the Bucks. He was pretty good against the Sixers and Nets while he was great against the Magic and Warriors. "Multiple playoff series" is a bit of a stretch.

What you said about Brown developing in the last 2 seasons since that Celtics/Raptors matchup applies to Siakam too. He has become a significantly better playmaker and he has gone back to his strengths (cut his 3FGA in half while attempting more shots in the paint).

[username_taken]

They're basically the same exact level of player, but their games aren't really comparable in terms of style. I'd give the tiebreaker to Brown based on age

[Duffman100]

They're basically the same exact level of player, but their games aren't really comparable in terms of style. I'd give the tiebreaker to Brown based on age

A reasonable response.

Unfortunately the correct answer was “it’s not even close”

[VanWest82]

Their isn't a single GM in the NBA that would trade Brown or Tatum for anyone on the raptors roster.

Is Brown a more valuable asset than Scottie Barnes? I'd be curious what the poll responses would be.

[raptorforlife88]

they're close, but brown has a much better iso game. a lot of siakam's fgs are assisted or on the break. in a half court set brown separates himself.

Jaylen Brown has 57.6% of his FG's assisted. Pascal Siakam has 43.8% of his FG's assisted.

https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1627759/
https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1627783/

Not to argue about who's better with the isolation game because that stat does not really tell you that, but just pointing out that a lot of Siakam's fg's are not assisted or on the break, and he actually creates more of his scoring than Brown does.

[everdiso]

The only thing Brown does better is shooting 3s.

[BostonCouchGM]

Who the hell do you think you kidnapped, Chelsea Clinton?


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what is your deal then? remember in any such deal Siakam is the best player so Brown cannot be traded alone for Siakam. You will have to cough up more.

Their isn't a single GM in the NBA that would trade Brown or Tatum for anyone on the raptors roster.
Van fleet's having an amazing year but his age and size mean Brown is far more valuable in the long term. Anyway, you're trolling at this point.

plenty of G.M.s would trade Brown and his potentially degenerative knees and injury history for Barnes who is putting up 15-8-4 with great defense at 20 y/o. Jaylen was putting up 6-3-1 at 20 y/o. Barnes is legit and likely to be more impactful than stats will show due to his defense and playmaking than the one-dimensional Jaylen. And after you factor in salary, LOTS of teams would take Barnes if they have a longer timeline in mind.

[Joshyjess]

what is your deal then? remember in any such deal Siakam is the best player so Brown cannot be traded alone for Siakam. You will have to cough up more.

Their isn't a single GM in the NBA that would trade Brown or Tatum for anyone on the raptors roster.
Van fleet's having an amazing year but his age and size mean Brown is far more valuable in the long term. Anyway, you're trolling at this point.

plenty of G.M.s would trade Brown and his potentially degenerative knees and injury history for Barnes who is putting up 15-8-4 with great defense at 20 y/o. Jaylen was putting up 6-3-1 at 20 y/o. Barnes is legit and likely to be more impactful than stats will show due to his defense and playmaking than the one-dimensional Jaylen. And after you factor in salary, LOTS of teams would take Barnes if they have a longer timeline in mind.

Uh. no they wouldn't.

[djsunyc]

celtics should probably trade brown to the hawks for collins and okungwu.

[Clay Davis]

You put brown on the raptors and nobody touches the ball. Siakam’s playmaking has been on another level this year.

If brown and Tatum are so good then why do they always underperform as a team? They’ve practically got the same record as a raptors team who have no bench and only have about 5 or 6 legit nba players. They get theirs but they impact the entire team negatively with their selfishness.

Hot take: Siakam is a better player than Tatum or Brown. Sure, he does not have as sexy of a game as either of them, but he is just better in most aspects of basketball. 3 point shooting is really the only argument you would have for the Celtics over Siakam.

I can understand the argument between Brown & Siakam but comparing Siakam to Tatum is laughable. If Siakam was defended the way Tatum was the Raptors would looking at a top 5 draft pick next year.

Good thing NBA teams don't like winning and are complicit in Siakam padding his stats.

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[Duffman100]

Their isn't a single GM in the NBA that would trade Brown or Tatum for anyone on the raptors roster.
Van fleet's having an amazing year but his age and size mean Brown is far more valuable in the long term. Anyway, you're trolling at this point.

plenty of G.M.s would trade Brown and his potentially degenerative knees and injury history for Barnes who is putting up 15-8-4 with great defense at 20 y/o. Jaylen was putting up 6-3-1 at 20 y/o. Barnes is legit and likely to be more impactful than stats will show due to his defense and playmaking than the one-dimensional Jaylen. And after you factor in salary, LOTS of teams would take Barnes if they have a longer timeline in mind.

Uh. no they wouldn't.

I honestly think they would. Rookie contract controllability, Barnes' potential, 5 years younger.

I guess it depends where the team is in their win cycle.

[srhcan]

I have realized that these 2 players should not be compared as their games are vastly different. Brown is a scorer. Period. Pascal is a scorer, rebounder, distributor and blocker. Basically Brown is one-dimensional and Siakam is multi-dimensional.

Brown should be compared against Gary Trent Jr who is also one-dimensional.
Pascal should be compared against Tatum who is also multi-dimensional.

[StojkoVrankovic]

I have realized that these 2 players should not be compared as their games are vastly different. Brown is a scorer. Period. Pascal is a scorer, rebounder, distributor and blocker. Basically Brown is one-dimensional and Siakam is multi-dimensional.

Brown should be compared against Gary Trent Jr who is also one-dimensional.
Pascal should be compared against Tatum who is also multi-dimensional.

this is trolling, right?

[Duffman100]

I have realized that these 2 players should not be compared as their games are vastly different. Brown is a scorer. Period. Pascal is a scorer, rebounder, distributor and blocker. Basically Brown is one-dimensional and Siakam is multi-dimensional.

Brown should be compared against Gary Trent Jr who is also one-dimensional.
Pascal should be compared against Tatum who is also multi-dimensional.

this is trolling, right?

I wish to back up my fellow Raptor fan, but yeahhh no. Brown averages 6 rebounds, 3 assists and in his own right is a great defender.

I think Pascal is more versatile. But Brown has versatility in his own right.

Also, Gary Trent plays great defense, so he isn't one dimensional either.